So this trope is basically Maligned Miscegenation?
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Or just Maligned Mixed Marriage or Mixed Marriage Is Bad. Don't make this more complicated that it needs to be.
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I like Maligned Mixed Marriage, personally.
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I wasn't trying to.
I like the idea of a trope transplant. Turn the current trope into a supertrope and make Maligned Mixed Marriage a subtrope for what it was meant to be. Though, thinking about it, the relationship that the trope is talking about where it tends to be hated often prevents the couple from actually being able to marry. Perhaps it needs an entirely new name.
edited 13th Dec '11 10:41:31 PM by shimaspawn
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Yeah shima's idea makes the most sense. Redefine the current page into the supertrope everyone is using it for and them YKTTW the subtrope it really is.
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Is interracial marriage even tropable?
Seeing as it still causes controversy whenever it turns up in media, yes.
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I'm not convinced that interracial marriage is noteworthy as its own category. It is trivia at best, and really isn't interesting trivia.
Interracial marriage used as an aesop against racial prejudices, by having the couple have to deal with bigotry is a trope. That seems to be what this trope it, though actually is isn't just about race but any strong cultural/ethnic clash, such as the Greek-Anglo marriage mentioned in the description.
Interracial marriage as a demonstration of the author's prejudice, by having it be a sign of depravity on the part of the characters would be a trope, though I can't think of any examples.
edited 14th Dec '11 9:21:01 AM by Auxdarastrix
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I was going to start the YKTTW for the new supertrope tomorrow, but I'll wait until we get the discussion on whether interracial marriages in general are tropable out of the way, so I can figure out exactly what I need to be creating.
Though I will point out that we do seem to have tropes about specific racial pairings already.
Also, I'll be doing the page cleanup on mixed marriage in a few hours
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Well, for Where da White Women At? at least, that trope is basically Maligned Mixed Marriage for black man/white woman pairs. I dunno about the others.
edited 14th Dec '11 10:58:56 AM by captainpat
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I did a somewhat conservative cleanup of the examples on the Mixed marriage page. I left those that I didn't know if they were examples or not, or were an example with a sub-example that wes correct or a sub-example where the example was correct, and the rest, that weren't outright deleted are now on the discussion page.
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- 1 to shima's suggestion. All the things Acebrok listed, plus the new Maligned Mixed Marriage (or whatever we call it), can be subtropes.
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If Auxdarastrix doesn't drop his/her objection to the idea of a trope for interracial couples, I'd like to do a page action crowner on the trope transplant in the next 2 or 3 days, just to be safe (Everything You Wanted To Know About Changing Titles says that we only do process overrides when there is no dissent, after all).
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Meh, I'm just expressing my opinion. I won't make a fuss if no one agrees with it. Do as you will.
I must say, I'm also dubious as to whether interracial couples on their own are trope-worthy. The only way I could see that being the case is if the idea that there's still something controversial about it is widespread enough that depicting it without that kind of situation is a trope in its own right (similar to Straight Gay). But I wouldn't say that's the case.
I still don't think interracial couples are a trope. If fact that they're an interracial couple factored in the story somehow then that seems tropable, but having a trope just to put out fictional interracial couples regardless of how mundane their relationship is? I'm not sure about that.
It is still something that stirs a lot of controversy out of media even if it doesn't in media. The Princess And The Frog was only a few years ago and people were scandalized that it dared show an interracial couple as just completely normal.
edited 14th Dec '11 5:38:17 PM by shimaspawn
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But Audience Reactions aren't tropes.
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I thought the complaint was that one of them was Ambiguously Brown, showing Disney was too chicken to go one way or the other. I guess the point still stands but "Interracial Couple" still doesn't seem tropable to me, that seems like trivia. Maligned Mixed Marriage(added alliterative appeal gets em every time) is a story driver. Troubled Mixed Marriage, about the partners having trouble getting around their differences, would be a sister trope if there was anything worth splitting I think.
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Audience Reactions aren't tropes, but do often point at tropes. Even in works where the couple is happy they tend to play up the cultural differences.
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I don't understand your logic. If only thing important to note about interracial marriages in fiction is the audience reaction to it, then lets just make an Audience Reaction about interracial marriages.
It can be a trope in-universe, see any reaction in a show to a black man/white woman couple as cracked points out.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19549_5-old-timey-prejudices-that-still-show-up-in-every-movie.html
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showed consensus for a rename.
A lot of people are confusing this for interracial marriages in general, which it is not. Now, knowing that, can you guess what this trope is supposed to be?
It's about their family, friends, or society having a negative reaction to thge fact that the relationship is interracial or interspecies (or the couple having other differences that said groups don't like).
The big problem, other than a misleading name, is that we don't seem to have a trope for interracial reltionships in general. I'll probably YKTTW that in the next few days. Howeverm I think a rename is also in order for the sake of clarity.
Since this isn't going to be renamed without proof of misuse or underuse, here are the stats and a wick check
Mixed Marriage found in: 146 articles, excluding discussions.
Since January 1, 2011 this article has brought 106 people to the wiki from non-search engine links.
Wick check conducted on 12/10/11 (50 wicks):
Seems to be correct(8) (16%):
Assumes the trope is about interracial relationships, but otherwise qualifies as an example, based on the info provided (5)(10%):
Needs more context (9) (18%):
Either just a wick or just listing off the couple without any explanation (X Just X). Assumed wrong, unless otherwise noted (18) (36%):
Likely wrong (7) (14%):
Other (3) (6%):
If no one objects, in about 24 hours, I'll go through the Mixed Marriage page itself, move any examples that make no mention of a negative reaction by anyone due to any circumstances to the discussion page, and delete any that are obviously not an example of this trope (I doubt anyone will object, but, looking through, it's going to be depressing work)
Edit: a few links changed about in 3 days
edit 2: Fixing up single word links
edited 13th Dec '11 3:27:17 PM by Acebrock
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