WMG / The Incredibles

Wild Mass Guessing for The Incredibles.

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The Incredibles is set in an action shared universe.

Since it's certainly one of the many films from the 2000s that had a very dark and genuinely intense, adult edge, it would fit right in sharing the same universe as many other action IPs, both animated and live action.

With animation, The Incredibles is set in the same universe as Monsters Vs. Aliens, Megamind, the Despicable Me series, Transformers Prime and Green Lantern: The Animated Series.

With live action, The Incredibles is set in the same universe as Runaway Train, Tales From The Crypt Presents Demon Knight, Lifeforce, the Die Hard Quadrilogy, Ricochet, the Predator Trilogy, the Jurassic Park Trilogy and The Mummy (1999).

Basically they all share the same world along with The Incredibles and on top of that, Incredibles 2 isn't canon in this world and the first film is set in 2004 instead of the 1960s.

Syndrome is a yandere for Mr. Incredible.

It makes the movie much more fun to watch.

Violet is anorexic.

Judging by her character design, the "Tony-loaf" scene, and even her personality, we can say that she might have anorexia. This is caused by her inferiority complex ("You said that we weren't allowed to use our powers!").

• A deleted scene has lamenting her "lanky" appearance, clearly showing that she has body image problems.
  • Her FANDOM Wikia states that her weight is only 90 lbs, which is almost 15 lbs underweight for someone who is 5'2''.

Mirage is a Targaryen.

Explains the hair...

If there's a sequel, the villain will wear a cape

And when our heroes try to exploit this obvious weakness it will be revealed to have an emergency quick release leading to an Oh, Crap! moment.

• Jossed. Evelyn doesn't wear a cape.

Mr. Incredible made the right choice by rejecting Buddy Pine

By rejecting Buddy and refusing to let him become his sidekick, Mr. Incredible ended up creating Syndrome. But when you consider how detached from reality Buddy clearly was (as emphasized by his Self-Serving Memory), was that really such a bad thing? The kid was clearly delusional and most likely had Narcissistic Personality Disorder. So even if Mr. Incredible had said yes, Buddy would likely have become unhinged as shown by the amount of hate Supers tend to get. Eventually he would've made his Face–Heel Turn, and if that happened he would have proper training as a superhero as well as his gadgets which would make him an even greater threat.

• Considering how Buddy indirectly caused Supers to get banned, it's easy to see how someone could trace the ban all back to him. Hell, if Buddy stuck around with Mr. Incredible, Mr. Incredible while upset, angry and distraught over being made illegal might lose it and start to blame Buddy, which would be an alternate starting point for his Freudian Excuse.

Syndrome is still alive

A super genius ascended fan-boy who compiled information of about previous heroes gets killed in a jet turbine. The same way another heroine died in the past. Sounds suspicious to me.

• The Syndrome at the end of the Movie was some kind of duplicate. The real Syndrome is planning something not even the Duplicate was aware of.
• Oddly enough, the real world lends this credence. Lots of people have survived close encounters with jet engines, either by getting snagged on other parts near the intake, or depending on the model, simply surviving the initial impact. After all, a jet engine is not built to operate like a giant blender, it's meant to move air at high speeds, and when objects do get pulled inside, they usually break the engine.
• One of the Disney on Ice shows used just that to bring Syndrome into it, so...

Dash can see the future to a certain extent.

In the limo scene right before they find Syndrome with Jack-Jack, Dash says "...And then you (Mr. Incredible) threw that car..." However, Mr. Incredible NEVER threw a car before in the entire movie. Ever. BUT in five minutes, he takes out Syndrome with a thrown car. Also, Dash knew that the supersuits Edna made were special. He says "I dunno. Why did Mom try and hide them?", but keeping in mind he's really young, he probably doesn't even know he can see the future yet. And near the beginning he says "[If everyone is special], then no one is." Which parallels nicely what Syndrome told the entire family when they were imprisoned. Of course, the latter two examples could have been explained as the truth / story symmetry, but when you look at it with the first example in mind...

• This likely stems from the Super-Reflexes he taps into while fighting Syndrome's mooks. His mind moves so quickly that he's borderline (and most likely fully, on occasion) precognitive!
  • That makes absolutely no sense. Thinking faster, maybe, but how would that make you precognitive?
  • It also makes no sense how a bipedal speedster could run on water for limitless distance without sinking an inch. because even in mach-speeds he's still pushing water down to hold his weight which it can't without sinking him each time. But if one tries to explain Dash's extraordinary speed through Relative Theory, it can be traced through the changes in space-time continuum all the way to wormholes and how a person might perceive light from the other side of time and space. If that someone is a prepubescent child with an extreme case of ADHD, he might not be able to understand it fully and his mind would simply merge it with his hyperactive imagination.
  • A perhaps more likely scenario is that Bob threw a car at some point in the battle against the Omnidroid that we didn't see.
    • He does grab one velocipod and throw it into another at one point. Dash doesn't know they're called "Velocipods" so he's using an approximation.
  • On the other hand, his father does have minor precognitive abilities unrelated to his main powers...
• It's also possible that Dash is referring to the monorail pod thingy that he rips off the track and throws at the two guards earlier in the movie. Dash wasn't there at the time, though.
  • But Dash was there when he took down one of the spinning heli-thingies just before the first family fight.
• Alternatively, Dash has Spider-Senses. A.K.A., he can sense incoming danger. This is how he was able to dodge all of the incoming armies.
  • According to the bonus features on the DVD, Mr. Incredible is able to sense danger before it happens. I think there are a couple of places in the movie where he demonstrates this ability but it's clearly not foolproof (the Omnidroid is able to sneak up on him before their first fight). Dash could have inherited the same ability.

Mirage is an assassin (maybe even a super-powered one)

"We have something in common. According to the government, neither of us exists."

It's not like Disney or Pixar is gonna have her come out and say, "yes, I kill people for a living".

Considering the comic book influence here, she is Silver Sable, Elektra, Tommy Monaghan (The Hitman), Forerunner, Bullseye, Jessica Priest, Deathstroke and maybe a little Deadpool thrown in.

• She's at the very least a spy, now working with the NSA in the comics.

Mirage is an anti-super assassin sponsored by the government. Syndrome is also partially sanctioned.

She doesn't exist because the government refuses to publicly acknowledge killing off supers that refuse to register, and cannot hire super heroes to stop them or send in the home guard without too much collateral damage. Nomanisan Island was sold to Mirage or Syndrome and added to the registry of those little countries that are to be ignored unless they start committing genocide on one another, with Mirage's payment (and, probably without them knowing but possibly in a tech-for-federal-aid deal, Syndrome's inventing budget) coming out of a developing countries package. Any supers that die there are ignored because the Nomanisan Police force (Mirage) find nothing suspicious, which is backed up by the Nomanisan Police Internal affairs bureau (also Mirage) and the Nomanisan federal Bureau of Investigation (...just guess), and the Parrs' country of residence (I assume an alternate-universe America, but don't recall if they avoided the A name) lists the Nomanisan investigation departments as "probably not a nationwide conspiracy, we can vouch for them as long as nobody bothers looking into it". While Nomanisan Island does exist, as do (presumably) the bureaucratic positions that Mirage fill (as well as possibly Syndrome), Mirage herself is merely an undocumented stand-in with no official recognizance by the country that banned the supers, poised to disappear at a moments' notice and leave the entire country of Nomanisan Island "mysteriously" abandoned, like the Mary Celeste incident for an entire nation.

Mirage is a Lipstick Lesbian who is in love with Elastigirl.

That could be why Mirage discovered Mr. Incredible and not her: She didn't want the woman she loved to die!

Oliver Sansweet wasn't suicidal.

Some shadowy third party wished to destroy the Supers through litigation, and so they paid or blackmailed Sansweet into jumping precisely so he could be rescued by a Super and press charges.

• They may have assisted Syndrome's rise to power.
• If there is a sequel, then this third party will be the Big Bad.
  • In the original concept, a shifty millionaire/lawyer/Corrupt Corporate Executive named Xerek was the Big Bad, and the lawsuit angle was a much bigger plot element.
  • And thus, the man who masterminded this suicide, in order to kickstart his Evil Plan...is Adrian Veidt (see below).
• This is extremely likely. If he were really suicidal, and if Mr. Incredible stopping him didn't make him realize he wanted to live, then why the hell would he sue anyone instead of just offing himself in private? What would he need the money for if he wants to die? Either he was working for somebody else or this was an incredibly selfish get-rich-quick scheme.

After the Omnidroid was defeated, Agent Rick Dicker arranged to have Bob's sports car towed back to the Parr's house from the airport. He then treated the Incredibles to dinner before giving them a limo ride home.

This would explain why the sports car was in the driveway and why it's twilight when the Parrs arrive home.

Mirage is an advanced android.

Syndrome was a scientific genius who crafted amazing things in small packages. If Mirage was programmed with Syndrome's entire worldview, it probably includes whatever led to his initial fawning over Mr. Incredible; thus, the attraction. Syndrome probably just couldn't figure out how to make her superhumanly powerful on that tiny frame and so ruled out using her for assassinations directly. AIs he developed had a tendency to go rampant and act for their own self-preservation; Mirage's Heel–Face Turn was probably her putting her own needs above her master's. It was unexpected, which is why Syndrome is shocked when she acts coldly towards him.

• This could also be the reason about her remark that neither she nor Mr. Incredible technically exist. An android would have no government records or data, right? On another note, Syndrome was also a very smart but very lonely nerd who most likely had no chance of getting a real girlfriend, so he probably just built Mirage instead. Seeing as how he could make a murderous Killer Robot, it's very possible he could create an android.
  • A murderous robot that also turned on him due to AI.

Mirage has superpowers.

Hence her comment to Mr. Incredible, "According to the government, neither of us exists," and her quick recovery from Elastigirl punching her in the face. She hid her powers from Syndrome because she knew of his hatred for Supers. This was why she didn't use her powers to save herself when Mr. Incredible was threatening to break her like a toothpick.

• Alternatively, one of her powers is resistance to crushing injuries.
• Mirage's powers were some kind of invisibility/distortion. In the part where Mr.Incredible drops her, Mirage seemed to liquefy as she fell down. It would explain her odd name: "Mirage" means "illusion", and so she chose a code name based on her superpowers.
• She could phase through objects. She DID phase in the background of one scene.
  • Which scene?
• She may be able to hide her true thoughts from mind-readers, like Everseer. Someone had to speak to him to lure him into fighting one of the early Omnidroids.
  • Not necessary if Everseer was recruited via a voice-activated pad, like Mr. Incredible, but one that gave more-detailed instructions. It's unlikely that his mind-reading ability would work on a computer. Indeed, that may be what gave Syndrome the idea of recruiting others using that method.

Mirage is an undocumented, illegal immigrant.

• She's an unnamed fugitive from a women's prison in El Salvador (which explains her slight Spanish accent). Her appearance is attributable to the fact that she's an albino who wears green contact lenses. Syndrome used his technology to implant many years worth of English studies into her mind simultaneously, just as Morpheus did with Neo's "kung-fu" program in The Matrix.
  • She can't be an albino. Albinos have pale skin.
    • She uses tanning cream. Or body paint.
  • How does a slight accent make her an illegal immigrant? Or a prison fugitive? And just having white hair does not make you an albino. This whole argument is full of Unfortunate Implications.
  • Or perhaps she's an illegal alien. LITERALLY.

Helen pulled her punch when she hit Mirage

She's a veteran super and knows how to restrain herself to avoid leaving corpses in her wake. She also pulled her punch(es) on the burglar in the first act.

• Isn't that obvious? Mr Incredible no doubt pulls his punches too when he doesn't want to outright murder someone. Why is this such a wild mass guess?

Mirage is future!Helen Parr.

Her crush-proof power is elasticity.

Elastigirl, having been given free legal use of her powers, develops control over her own body to such an extent that she can control individual tissues unconsciously without resorting to the form she usually sees herself as. She will never die of systemic organ failure; she can only take damage on a cellular level (burning, poison, lack of oxygen//blood). She can not only change her shape, but also finer details such as facial features; and she can keep her skin wrinkle-free. The only thing she can't do is change her hair color, which either fades naturally to white or is dyed when she is sent back from the future to help stop Syndrome.

She falls for Mr. Incredible the way she does, not because she's shallow, but because he was her first love and her husband from decades or even centuries ago.

"Mirage" refers, not to her powers, but to a personal nickname, a code name for the anti-Syndrome project, or her not being who she appears to be but instead who she doesn't.

• What about the scenes where Mirage and Helen are in the shot together? Especially the one where Helen walks in on Bob hugging Mirage?
  • She was sent back from the future. Why would Helen recognize her disguised future self? Why would Mirage give it away if Rule 1 was not to admit to the existence of Time Travel? Remember the Back to the Future rules about meeting oneself!

• Alternately, Mirage is Helen from a future controlled by Syndrome. She was sent back as part of a top-secret spy project to Set Right What Once Went Wrong, and, due to Laser-Guided Amnesia, remembers nothing of her life before she traveled back in time. She only knows what to do because of thoughts passing through her mind - secret transmissions from the future. She will never remember, so as not to Logic Bomb herself out of existence.

Mirage had no superpowers, but was a superhero anyhow.

Badass Normal can't be ruled out. Given that Syndrome wanted to be a superhero but had no powers, it could be a reason for her to empathize.

The "lava wall" of Syndrome's tiki dining room isn't lava at all; it's two wall-sized plasma TV's looping footage of flowing lava. Ditto for the secret passage.

Even ignoring the complete lack of convection, the movement of the "lava" is not consistent with the way a liquid would flow. And it's the kind of thing Syndrome would do.

• Six screens: two facing the Totem room, two facing the computer room, and two facing inwards at each other.
• Seems unlikely, as the lava flow is not completely flat. Look closely and you'll see bumpiness along the "walls"
  • Optical illusion. Surely Syndrome could afford 3-D.
    • Or hologram technology.

Violet's dark hair is a secondary effect of the mutation that produced her superpowers.

She couldn't have gotten dark hair from her parents: dark hair is dominant, while blond and red hair are recessive.

• Red isn't Helen's natural hair color, or black isn't Violet's.
• The genes of Supers are not like those of Muggles; for them, dark hair is recessive, and light colors are dominant. We have no evidence of Supers and Normals crossbreeding, and so they might be separate species.
  • Or it's possible that certain powers have certain hair colors "keyed" to them as the most likely one to stick (since it's common for babies and young children to have hair colors strikingly different from what they have as adults). Super speed and Bob's power set are "keyed" to blond; elastic powers are "keyed" to red/ruddy and invisibility is "keyed" to black.
• Alternately, supers' hair can change over time more drastically than normals'. We only see the younger Elastigirl through a sepia filter world, so her hair color could have been different (darker or lighter) when she was a kid (also kind of works with "Mirage is Helen Parr" above).
• Alternately again, since invisibility involves light-warping, maybe Violet can (consciously or unconsciously) change her hair color. Or, maybe Elastigirl's real power is general shapeshifting, she's just unaware of its full potential and never changes colors because she doesn't know she can.
• Or maybe she dyed her hair. * killed horribly*
• Elastigirl's hair is clearly much redder in the prologue than it is in the main part of the movie. It's pretty safe to say that she dyes it.
  • Not necessarily. Red hair usually dulls to a ruddy brown with age.
  • Also, the color saturation in the prologue is cranked way up. Helen's hair color probably doesn't change, just the viewer's perception of it.
• The Parrs have been living under assumed names for some time. It's entirely possible that they've all dyed their hair at one time or another.

Mister Incredible bleaches his hair.

He likes having the look, and was happy that Dash got it naturally through recessive blonde genes. The reason his hair doesn't turn super-brittle and washed out once the melanin is leached from it? He dyes it blonde after bleaching it, and his hair has Nigh-Invulnerability just like the rest of him.

• If he bleaches it from a dark color, that is dyeing it blonde. There's no reason to add dye to it.
  • The above troper likely meant toning his hair as people bleaching their hair seldom have it turn out the desired shade of blonde without some additional dying.

Violet is adopted, possibly from another family who didn't want to deal with having a superpowered child in a world where superheroes weren't wanted.

Or her parents were Supers who suffered death by cape. They merely weren't enough examples to discourage Bob from wanting a cape added to his new uniform.

Helen had an affair.

She accused Bob of it. And it's easier to suspect people of things one has done oneself.

• And Violet is the result, an illegitimate offspring of Helen and an unknown, dark haired Gentleman.
  • Well, Helen used to date Xerek according to the comics. And the solicits for future issues point towards some dark secret of Violet's being revealed...
    • The first hint might have been the nature of her powers. While everyone in her family has some kind of physical super ability (even Jack-Jack, if you consider his flotilla of powers "physical abilities"), Violet can make her self invisible and create force fields. She bends light around herself and manipulates energy to create force fields. Edna even went as far to state that designing her suit was "tricky", because of her invisibility power. Assuming that the type of superpower you have is dependent on the nature of your parents' power...
• Oooo! Helen had an affair with The Thing, because she's able to stretch to "accommodate" his size!
• No!!!! Frozone is Violet's real father.
  • Not likely. Half-black people are not in any definition of the word, pale.
    • Actually, I have seen plenty of pale, "blue veined" half-black people. If anything I have not seen very many "pink" mullatos. Historically, that were plenty of mixed people who looked so white that they were able to leave their culture and live in white society without being noticed. Violet could just be "passing".
    • Um, what the heck? Biracial people can look like their mother's race, father's race, or a mix of the two.
  • ...You guys really did just miss the obvious joke.
• Well, since Incredibles is basically stealth remake of Watchmen, with Helen and Violet taking the same plot roles and character dynamics of Silk Spectre I and II, the obvious choice for Violet's real father is the Comedian analogue, Gazerbeam.
  • Helen and Violet even have the same hair colors and hairstyles as Sally and Laurie, that can’t be a coincidence

Syndrome is a super but doesn't know it.

The kind of gadgeteering he does isn't really possible, even in a superhero universe. He invented working rocket boots at the age of, what, eleven? He doesn't recognize his own power, which leads to his idolization of Mr. Incredible and the Freudian Excuse that turns him evil.

• Syndrome was some sort of technology-manipulating Super, but (given the age) was born ahead of his time and therefore went unnoticed.
• The Super-Intelligence that both Edna and Syndrome display in their work is a superpower and "technically" makes them supers, just a more subtle kind.
• The point is HE doesn't know it. Remember, it wasn't Mr. Incredible who told him he wasn't a Super, it was Buddy who said that's what he thought Mr. Incredible meant. In his mind, being a super genius doesn't count as a power like superstrength or shooting ice, but in reality, it is.
• Perhaps Syndrome is a second generation super. It's implied that his father is not present. Perhaps he was a super who both married a normie, and died. His mother wouldn't tell Buddy because she didn't want him dying like her husband.
• Several have theorized that Syndromes' parents were actually Psychwave and Universal Man: who originally owned Nomanisan Island and were the first two Supers that Syndrome had killed with the MK. I Omnidroid. They might have first assumed since Buddy didn't manifest direct powers to theirs that he was probably a Muggle Born of Mages and kept their own identities and powers a secret from him.

Syndrome is a Spark!

Syndrome is Sylar.

Can you think of another character who fails to realize the full potential of his powers, thinks himself powerless, and decides to kill everyone as a result?

Syndrome's parents were Supers, but he didn't inherit the gene.

It's happened before in other shows/books/series, where two "supernatural" type characters have a child who doesn't have powers. It would also add to his bitterness toward Supers, since it wasn't his fault that he didn't have powers but his parents did. He'd feel the need to prove himself, not only to Mr. Incredible, but also to his parents, showing them that he could still be super without powers.

• Perhaps his super intelligence isn't considered a power in such universe, and he thought it sucked.

All Supervillains have been killed

No, seriously. What happened to them?

• One theory is, after cracking down on heroic Supers (who mostly went quietly), the government (or whoever was behind the lawsuit conspiracy presented in the first theory) did something similar to supervillains, bribing them with amnesty or money. Or possibly, they came down on them with the military. Hard. Of course, the thrill of having superheroes to fight again drew at least one supervillain, the Underminer, out of the woodwork, so it's possible that not having superhero opponents to fight was a factor in the villains' retirement.
• It's in Headscratchers/TheIncredibles.
• In the Watchmen Universe, Supervillains realized how stupid, costly, impractical, and noticeable it is to wear a purple suit while robbing banks. These villains realize low key underground criminal activity is a better choice to profit from than the flashy over the top terrorist acts; this could very happen in the Incredibles universe.
  • They may also feel really silly being the only people in costume with the heroes fighting them
• Not all supervillains have been killed. Only the super-powered ones (see below).
• Jossed by the comics, an entire Legion of Doom known as the Confederacy of Crime was active around Jack-Jack's birth and continues to be a threat to the family.
  • Plus Bomb Voyage had escaped from the villain crackdown.
    • But wasn't Bomb Voyage only featured in the first act, which was the cause of the SRA, and not yet under it? Heroes were still around and so were villains, at least up until the lawsuit.

The supervillains decided to stay quiet while the superheroes were being recalled because a mass supervillain incursion would probably make people change their minds.

The ones that survived the military crackdown retired, worked more quietly in the criminal underworld or, like the Underminer, went underground and planned for when the superheroes inevitably returned.

The supervillains won.

They successfully infiltrated the government and society, and orchestrated the criminalization of superheroism. Now most of 'em are happily living in their penthouses.

• The Incredibles is Wanted? You, sir or madam, have just blown my mind.

There were NEVER any "super" villains.

Everyone who had powers was a superhero. The influence the government had over the supers and there being no older heroes implies certain things...

No super-powered villains are seen because the Super gene comes with a compulsion to protect others.

All supers are driven to become heroes. We see no supervillains onscreen at all.This is mutually exclusive with the "Syndrome is a secret Super" theory above unless Syndrome has a rare mutation or genetic glitch that nullifies this compulsion.

• Syndrome was originally compelled to do good - he originally wanted nothing more than to team up with Mr. Incredible. Had Mr. Incredible allowed this, Syndrome would never have gone crazy and systematically killed all the other Supers, though he would've had his superhero career cut short. (The day he offered to team up was the same day supers got sued into secrecy.)
  • Actually, if Mr. Incredible had just let Buddy be his sidekick, the kid wouldn't have tried to fly off for help, thus never giving Bomb Voyage the opportunity to slip an explosive onto his cape. If the train overpass hadn't been exploded, Sansweet's case might not have generated enough public sentiment to trigger the flood of lawsuits. What this implies is that not only is Bob the reason Syndrome came into being, his refusal to make little Syndrome his sidekick indirectly CAUSED the SRA.
• Jossed. In the extras, there are interviews with several Supers. Some appear to only be in the hero game for money or resources; at least one (Gamma Jack) was an out and out sociopath who took pleasure in killing his opponents and thought he was above normal humans.
  • The reason we don't see or hear the name "Gamma Jack" is that, by the time the movie happens, he is known by another name...Rorschach (see below).
    • But we do see the name "Gamma Jack" — he's in the slideshow of people who (ahem) helped work the bugs out of the Omnidroid.

Physical powers come with a pathological urge for saving people, whereas technopathy comes with a tendency towards sociopathy and (possibly environmental) megalomania or need for attention.

Regardless of Gamma Jack, who was nuts anyway but had to express his murderous side in a way that made him a hero, the heroes and villains tend to be delineated between "good guys" with super powers and bad guys with gadgets. Syndrome and Underminer had a thing about comparing themselves to others (Buddy because of Mr. Incredible's rant at the beginning of the film), but Bomb Voyage just did it for the money (and possibly spite), as far as we know. If technopathy is looked down upon as a "normal" thing (i.e., non-super), it may be ingrained through many technologically themed supers being treated like dirt by the "actual" supers.

• We don't know that Underminer doesn't have powers. He looks enough like a mole that he could be some sort of mutant, which usually entails superpowers in comic-book Verses. And Mr. Incredible did use tech (remember his self-driving, transforming car?) when he was hero-ing, just not only tech.

• This doesn't explain Edna. She's clearly got tech powers too, which is how she can make the super suits and all the widgets in her house.
  • Yes, but Edna's real role is never defined. She gives to the highest bidder, not to the best cause. Also, remember her rant when Mr. Incredible first turns up at her house about "puny little supermodels" and how she used to "design for gods". She's just as bigoted against normal people as Syndrome and Bomb Voyage, she just doesn't care enough to fight them. It's also possible that she became allied with a Super early on in her career, and she was never compelled to move back to villainy.
• Bomb Voyage seemed to just have ridiculous body proportions. Does anyone here remember what his FACE looked like? Villainy was his only option, because, honestly, would anyone hire someone like that for a normal job?
• Perhaps it's less that the powers come with the propensity as the isolation. Super intelligence on it's own seems to go unrecognized as a superpower and as such supers with that power grow up different but not knowing why. Buddy and Edna, and possibly screenslaver, are all super intelligent but Edna got into contact with other supers who could at least empathize with others not understanding them even if the specifics were different. Buddy didn't and turned into a sociopathic murderer due to the intense social isolation.

The Supers were a project to create supersoldiers for the government.

The lawsuits were a conspiracy to get them out of the public eye after they started acting excessively and visibly. The original Supers were ignored because a better, more secret second generation were created.——

• The government called this project..."Project Manhattan" (see below).

This movie takes place in the Watchmen Earth

Maybe, during the montage, we just saw the creation of the Keene Act. Maybe Syndrome was inspired by Ozymandias. Maybe we don't see the more dystopian aspects of the Watchmen Earth because this is, after all, a Disney production.

Maybe "Rick Dicker" is an alias for Richard Nixon, President of the United States. Note that "Rick" and "Dick" are both alternate forms of the name "Richard".

• Maybe this theory is sexy. Notice how, even in Watchmen, there are a couple of superheroes killed by their capes — Dollar Bill infamously got his caught in a revolving door and was gunned down. The prologue scene took place during the "Under the Hood" era, just not in New York - NONE of it is in New York, which is why there are no smoldering craters, etc.
• One problem: Watchmen has only one super. Everyone else is a Badass Normal wearing their underwear on the outside.
  • Theory one: Manhattan is just the only super-power that we saw, not the only one there is.
  • Theory two: Being god-like, Manhattan decided that he, and he alone, should be the only "super" around. Thus, after the events of the movie, he killed the whole Incredibles team as well as Frozone and any superhero around.
    • That would be out of keeping with his character.
  • Theory three: after defeating the Underminer, their next case was the murder of the Comedian. Ozymandias killed them in order to silence them.
    • There's one problem with this, as evil as Veidt is, I highly doubt he'd personally murder children (especially since he probably knows how to brainwash people.)
• In the original Watchman comic, there was at least one natural telepath. How many other unseen superhumans were around in the Watchmanverse?
  • It was said it was a LATENT telepath. Meaning she/he did not have access to their power.

The Incredibles takes place during the 2000s of the Watchmen universe.

Dr. Manhattan did leave radiation behind during the 1960s, and it resulted in the mutation of humans into "Supers." This is where they came from. Their existence was covered up more than other heroes' because people would be deathly afraid of multiple superpowered people; most people convinced themselves that such an era never existed. Syndrome hunted them all down because he was related to Rorschach (red hair, freckles, butt ugly) and wanted to avenge his death at the hands of Dr. Manhattan; because Manhattan was gone, he settled for killing the remaining supers.

• Or maybe the supers weren't the result of random mutation— they were the humans that Manhattan said he was going to create.
• Word Of Bird is that the main part off the movie takes place in "the '60s of an alternate universe". But this could still be the '60s of a universe that had the events of Watchmen take place beforehand.

Syndrome (Buddy) is Mr. Incredible's bastard son.

It's not far fetched, assuming that Mr. Incredible was in his late twenties in the movie's prologue. If he had a fling with someone in high school (or shortly after high school)... their looks aren't that far apart.

• That has a Real Life explanation: they're both modeled on Brad Bird.
• Although, this would add another layer to the whole "make sure his mom knows what he's been doing" comment...
• I don't think so. Mr Incredible had trouble remembering Buddy's name and called him "that kid from the fan club". P.S. He was twenty-five in the prologue. We know this because he is officially stated to be 40 and there was a fifteen-year Time Skip.
  • So? It's all too possible that Mr. Incredible never found out. And there have been fifteen year old guys with children they don't know about yet. Of course, that doesn't mean that Buddy didn't find out about it until after the incident with Bomb Voyage.
• Alternatively, they aren't related at all. However the physical resemblence combined with parental neglect at home and the lack of a father lead Buddy to believe he was. His mom wouldn't talk about his father, who was a terrible person, but showed some interest in Mr. Incredible. Buddy being highly intelligent but socially very immature misconstrued this into him secretly being Mr. Incredibles kid in his own mind. Part of his revenge was for either this fantasy being destroyed or a mistaken belief that it is actually the case.

Edna Mode is a limited precognitive.

She would need to make the suits for each family member. Even assuming she just adjusted Bob and Helen's old measurements as needed, how could she know the powers and measurements of the kids?

• Limited? She predicted that Jack-Jack's powers would have to do with fire!
• Edna's just Crazy Is Cool and Crazy-Prepared. She specifically says that she didn't know what Jack Jack's powers were; she just covered all the bases. She even made it machine washable! Also, she probably used something similar to Elastigirl's stretchy outfit to provide a margin of error.
• Maybe Edna knew about Dash and Violet's powers because she read about them in the Parr's annual Christmas letters (or whatever). It's not as if they cut off all contact with their super-peers after going underground (see Frozone). Edna is enough of a friend that both Bob and Helen could call her without any problem.
  • Are we all forgetting that she spent the day catching up with Bob when he came to get his suit fixed? How could that conversation have not included at some point, "So, do the children have any powers?"
• Another of Edna's achievements is a kind of fabric with ink that can change shape for a limited amount of time. This fabric would later be improved and perfect by a young seamster called Walter Kovacks (see above).
  • Problem with that: Kovacks didn't create the fabric; Dr. Manhattan did. Kovacks just got hold of the dress that Manhattan made when the women he made it for didn't want it anymore.
  • Dr. Manhattan didn't make the fabric, some company developed it as a product using ideas from Manhattan's work. Think of all the products that arose indirectly from the space program, yet weren't actually invented at NASA.

The "Everyone can be Super!" plot was originally Xerek's (the Big Bad who could have been).

Syndrome is half an obsessive Stalker with a Crush whose life has centered around one-upping Mr. Incredible ever since his rejection, half a kid who wants to play Super Hero a little too realistically. There is no reason for him to want to make everyone in the world Super — either for altruistic reasons, as his Misaimed Fandom has mistakenly concluded, or for evil reasons. He himself admits, "When everyone's Super, no one will be..." What is the connection between such a plan and every other facet of his character?

When Xerek was cut and Syndrome was promoted to Big Bad, Syndrome's revenge plot was promoted likewise. That's why Pixar randomly left in that one line — which is never set up, never explored, and never mentioned again — is a mystery. So is the ignorance of the second sentence, which reveals that his motives are entirely evil without even a Utopia Justifies the Means personal justification.

• He regretted being a superhero fan in his youth. He still has all the fanatic tendencies that made him a fan, but it's only natural that he would destroy the superhero fandom that frustrated him. Plus, it doesn't require any strong justification; it is one of the few parts of his plan that would actually help people and make the world a better place.
• The 'No-one will be' part could be a Take That! at Mr Incredible for (at least in Syndromes' mind) saying he is not a super. In effect, it would leave Mr Incredible and his family just like everyone else for the rest of their lives, with not even any powers to make themselves unique. Besides, the line is hinted at beforehand (See the page quote on the main page).

Syndrome is a homage to Iron Man during the Civil War (2006).

No physical powers? Check. Ability to make himself superhero through being Gadgeteer Genius? Check. Flying through rocket system? Check. Opposes Supers? Check. Attacked Mr. Incredible, a Superman Ersatz? double check.

• Those time-travelling bastards pre-stole the idea!
• Aside from the aforementioned point that this was made BEFORE Civil War, what the HELL does Superman have to do with Iron Man?!
  • Iron Man's enemy during Civil War is the Anti-Reg side, whose leader is Captain America, who is about as idealistic as Supes.

Syndrome was an active, and Mirage was his handler.

The plan was set in place by Rossum. They took one of their best programmers (Buddy Pine), implanted him with memories of crushing rejection by Mr. Incredible, and made him want to seek revenge. They then used him to destroy all the supers so that the United States would be left without protection. They could then use Syndrome (who, if he was in the D.C Dollhouse would likely have the code name of Kronos), to be the sole protection of America, controlled by the Rossum Corporation.

• Also, Mr. Incredible and family (along with the rest of the supers) were genetically-enhanced actives used by the government who somehow got a hold of the technology. They were retired and released to live normal lives after protesting from people who thought it was inhumane to make normal people be super soldiers. They kept their memories of fighting off threats, and their powers, and lived somewhat normal lives as sleeper actives (so that the government could activate them if they ever needed to wipe out threats again). Their handler was, obviously, Rick Dicker. When they successfully defeated Rossum's revenge-imprinted programmer (Syndrome), much to the happiness of general public, they decided they could bring back the genetically enhanced actives to fight off rogue actives (supervillains) and further threats from Rossum and other companies with imprinting technologies.
  • As for how Mr. Incredible recognized Buddy... all those events happened in the past, but it did not have such an adverse effect on Buddy Pine, who went on to be a programmer for Rossum until he was imprinted and sent to kill off all the superhuman actives. He started glitching towards the end the movie, even to the point of almost letting his handler die. By that time, Mirage decided it was best to let the Incredibles go so they could stop the glitching Syndrome from ruining things for Rossum completely.

Jack-Jack is an elemental.

I have no real technology- or physics-related explanations, but still. Jack-Jack, at least currently, has shown powers that could be related to specific elements. Bursting into flame and laser vision (concentrated heat/light) are obviously fire. Transformation into a demon/devil/monster/whatever you want to call it is darkness. Transformation into metal/stone (or density control if you want to call it that) is earth, metal, or something similar. Phasing, flight/anti-gravity, and teleportation could be considered spirit, out of lack for a better name. Of course, he could also gain other forms and elements as he grows older and more experienced, such as air (which flight/anti-gravity could also fall under) or light (which could possibly be combined with fire). Feel free to offer explanations, forms, elements, etc.

Jack-Jack has a single matter/energy conversion power.

Mostly but not entirely copied from my original entry on the Headscratchers page: His powers at the end, with enough Rules Lawyering, can explain everything in "Jack-Jack Attack". The Eye Beams and Playing with Fire can have the same sources, if the former is just a very focused expression of the latter (emitting heat and light). The floating and walking on the ceiling are neutral and negative buoyancy, whereas the Heavy Jack-Jack at the end was a combination of shapeshifting and positive buoyancy. Going through the walls can be explained by many of the things that allow density change, such as if he has the single overall power of being able to change local matter (that is, his body) to energy and back, while affecting the way it is stored or used. If he has some way of containing heat or kinetic energy, or can adjust the stored energy to mass ratio by even a small amount (extra bonds instead of simple particles, etc.), he's probably been storing up extra environmental energy since his power first activated. Dash almost definitely has some energy-related powers, and Violet's shields are energy-based as well, so it's not unprecedented (although if I try to bring Superpower Genetics into this without Mr. Incredible having some sort of tactile telekinesis, I'd end up saying that all supers' powers are moving energy around in their own special way, which is true for all life as we define it).

All supers' powers are moving energy around in their own special way.

See above. I jest, at least partly. But it could be interesting to see someone take that line of thought and run with it.

• Mr. Incredible might have the power to enhance the energy of his body's molecular bonds— this would explain not only the invulnerability, but, since muscle cells use those same intermolecular forces to contract, it would cover his super-strength as well. Elastigirl has the power to manipulate those same molecular forces in a different way, to reshape her body. Dash simply channels kinetic energy through his body.

Jack-Jack's single power is Reality Warping.

He can adjust reality so that the world behaves as though each of his New Powers as the Plot Demands was the real one. Of course, being a baby, his mind tends to wander and jump randomly. It's possible he'll grow up to be a good version of the Superman: The Animated Series version of Mr. Mxyzptlk.

Jack-Jack's single power is spirit- and power-channeling.

His power begins to activate for the first time as Syndrome comes perilously close to achieving his ultimate goal, and it goes into overdrive when he's actually in Syndrome's arms. He's channeling the powers and spirits of everybody Syndrome killed, and they want revenge...

Syndrome invented all the technological extras.

It takes place in a 60sish time setting, but has things like computers and CD's. Well, it doesn't seem like much of a leap that Syndrome invented those in this world. He just doesn't mention them because they seem less impressive than weapons.

• Some aspects of it may have a 60ish aesthetic, mainly the Incredimobile and one suburban house, but nothing else suggests it takes place in anything but the present day.
  • Rewatch the scene where Mr Incredible is viewing Syndrome's computer files on all the supers. The file for Elastigirl states that her last activity (i.e. the opening scene of the movie, or shortly afterwards) was in 1955. Since the present day is 15 years later, the movie is taking place in 1970 or so.

• Fridge Brilliance. Syndrome mentions that he sold a lot of his inventions and that's why he's filthy rich. He says he only kept the best inventions, like the Omnidroid and the Zero Point Energy for himself.

On the note of Helen last being active 15 years before the movie, Violet's hair and powers are because Helen came into contact with a super substance while pregnant.

Mesmerella, from the comics, is Music Meister's sister

She's an Evil Redhead with a gaptooth, weird glasses and hypnotic powers. Her brother just has all the family's singing talent.

Sky High (2005) takes place in the future of The Incredibles world.

Obviously, the super-powered high school has been created so that the next generation of heroes can learn to use their powers without undo destruction towards the city that they're protecting.

• Maybe a few generations later, since that's a lot of supers.
• PS238 might also be in the Incredibles universe.

Syndrome was a hero.

The entire plot of the movie in the present day was a Xanatos Gambit by Syndrome and the "dead" heroes to show the world that superheroes were still needed, by creating a super-threat and calling the Incredibles into action. They come back into open action and are accepted as heroes, or he is; Either way, super heroes make a comeback. Hey, it's not more convoluted than the Joker's plan in The Dark Knight.

• This is brilliant

Syndrome does have superpowers.

...But not in a flashy and obvious way like flexibility or flight. He invents rocket boots as a child. As an adult he invents robots, force-fields and war weapons. His superpower is his superbrain. He does not realize it as all of the popular superpowered people he looked up to as a child had more heroic abilities.

• Either that, or his power is to keep that ridiculous hairdo up even in the heat of battle.

Violet dyes her hair black.

It would not be out of character for her, and notice how her hair has a purple/blue gleam to it. If her hair was naturally black it would be dark brown, with the appearance of black. It also explains why her parents have blonde and auburn hair yet she has dark hair. It would mean that her real hair is either blonde, auburn, or reddish-blonde.

• She started out a goth. It would make sense. She keeps dying it after her Character Development because she likes the way it looks.
  • She didn't start out as a goth... if anything, she started out as a non-scene emo. The dark hair itself was likely intended as a part of the character trope she was obviously inspired by.

Jossed: As seen under Deleted Scene and What Could Have Been sections, Violet was born with black hair by default, meaning that it's a recessive trait in the Parr family. She also has black eyebrows which all but confirms that she was born with it.

The connections of "Kronos" that are slightly too unconfirmed to go on a main page:

Kronos referred to Mr. Incredible, with Syndrome as Zeus. Having been (in his mind) the metaphorical son of Mr. Incredible, inspired by him and made in his image, after Kronos attempted to destroy Zeus with his greater power as a titan, Zeus came back and destroyed Kronos and the other titans, making the world safer and giving the gods (nonsupers) free and collectively omnipotent reign over the new world paradigm. However, it was Syndrome who was eventually taken down by his true (though not biological) son when attempting to destroy it.
Interestingly enough, though I don't think it goes that far, Kronos created a whole bunch of things and beings (mainly gods that are nowadays considered subservient to Zeus) when he castrated his father, Ouranus, which could be compared to Syndrome taking Mr. Incredible's kids and possibly both emasculating him and taking his wife away by having Mirage mess with his head and overtly flirt with him. Credence could be given to this if the Underminer and similar villains adapted their technology from Syndrome's marketed inventions, since that (the inventions) was what was cast off in the attempted destruction of Ouranos, but I don't know from whence their tech came and that would be stretching the metaphor a bit.

Syndrome and Mirage actually did work for the government.

Nomanisan Island was a government-owned weapons research and testing facility. It explains why Syndrome was able to do so many things on the island that the United States would have investigated and shut down years ago if it were Syndrome's own private island. The government never figured there was anything up with them, and every time they would send someone to check up on Syndrome, they could just pretend that everything was normal and nice. Syndrome earned a ton of money working for the United States, and of course on the side dealing weapons to other countries and criminal organizations secretly and illegally.

• Or, the island just was outside the U.S. government's jurisdiction.
  • Since when does that stop the United States Government?
• The film takes place in a world that has no "United States".

This universe is a hallucination by Captain Hammer.

After Penny died, Hammer couldn't accept it, so he came up with an elaborate universe where he is not mean, and his actions are justified. He slowly, after talking to a therapist, begins to admire and envy Dr. Horrible, thus explaining how his general 'fight against soceity' and blonde hair are similar to the villain. Syndrome represents Dr. Horrible, obviously, and is made to be sinister and cruel, instantly disregarding life. Also, in grasping to the idea that everyone admires him, Syndrome admires him. (Also, Mr. Incredible accidently called Buddy "Billy" once and threw a car at his head.) Penny is split into two people. Elastigirl, the Penny he loves who loves him in return and is a little nerdy, with flexibility as a bonus. Second, is Mirage, the Penny that "Dr. Horrible was creating," the terrible girl who doubted him and cared about radical ideas. The family was based on what he wanted to happen.

• This requires a MASSIVE Alternate Character Interpretation of Captain Hammer to the point where it shatters my willing suspension of disbelief. Hammer was never shown to truly care about Penny, and he even stated that the only reason he went after her was that Billy wanted her. Had Dr. Horrible not been so obviously in love with Penny, he probably would've just used her as a one-night stand. The basic concept of Captain Hammer being anything other than a raging egomaniac who plays the hero simply for personal glory is beyond Out of Character for what's shown in the musical.
  • True Captain Hammer didn't care about Penny but he might have started believing his own lies. If he's responding to anything its feeling pain. Say he went to therapy to recover from his loss, and while Captain Hammer was telling his story his therapist defied logic and decided to tell the person who has super strength and tried to kill somebody for laughs that maby he was really the villian and Dr. Horrible was the hero. Considering Captain Hammer mental capacity he would have to spell it out. He might have meshed himself and Justice Joe into Mr.Incredible, and possibly Johnny Snow and Dr. Horrible and creating a story where they are essentially switched around. Instead of being upset that his hero stole his lines from a bully he's upset that he couldn't accept that he would only get in the way and blew everything way out of proportion. Instead of him really making everything worse people are doing lame things like complaining of whiplash when they would have dead. Instead of stiffing the natural talents of smart people and being hyper elitist Buddy is stifling the talents of Supers. In the Incredibles the hero couldn't kill while the villain was all to willing to watch. Syndrome was the one willing to endanger people so he could play the hero. It could also be the was Captain Hammer thinks the world works.

Syndrome owns Apple

He sends Mr. Incredible a freaking iPad!!

• Then he must own Paramount too, because Star Trek TNG had "padds" just like that in 1987.

The period of superhero repression in that world is when Despicable Me takes place.

Think of it, supervillains feel secure enough to have a banking system for their operations and can easily overwhelm governments without worrying about superheroes trying to stop them.

Syndrome wanted Mr. Incredible to kill Mirage

He had a real sinister look on his face when he had her in his grip and sounded real disappointed when he couldn't do it.

Mr. Incredible was in on it.

Suburban midlife crisis was driving him completely insane, so he agreed to do a high-stakes LARP with his devoted fan, Buddy, even when it meant putting his family and the world on the line.

• And then casually murdered Buddy when he got bored with the game?
  • That was an accident.
    • Alternatively, Mr. Incredible and Syndrome were LARPing at first, however, Syndrome being Syndrome was sadistic enough to choose to be a villain for real, prompting Mr. Incredible to Become The Boast.

That mugging was staged.

Seriously, the timing is just too perfect. A mugger decides to, in broad daylight, commit theft in a busy part of the city, with a street nearby, under a window where Mr. Incredible just happens to be standing? Clearly, Mirage, after planting the pad, signaled a pair of actors to stage the mugging, as part of a Batman Gambit to get Mr. Incredible to act, blowing his cover and/or getting fired, as incentive to agree to work for Syndrome.

• Especially after considering that the mugger didn't take anything. Watch him leave; he throws the wallet back on top of the victim. Also, the most violent part was done on the side of the dumpster away from Mr. Incredible, which means it would be easier to stage it like that. That side of the dumpster was closer to the street, too, where it would be easier for a pedestrian to see. However, keep Disneyfication in mind.
• This becomes especially clear since, even if the mugger didn't recognize the cubicle drone in the office as Mr. Incredible (Clark Kenting is alive and well in the universe after all), he could hardly have missed that said cubicle drone was about three times the size of the midget in the suit.
• This would make sense, although for the not taking anything you could handwave it as the robber taking the cash out of it and throwing the empty wallet back.

S on Syndrome's costume actually stands for 'Superman'.

Superman comics exist in Incredibles universe, and Buddy wanted to become a hero like Superman. This could also be a subtle Take That! at Superman by Disney.

• If it was, it becomes Hilarious in Hindsight, now Disney owns Marvel Comics. (For those not in the know, Superman is owned by DC Comics, Marvel's biggest competition).

Syndrome is Jimmy Neutron.

Take another look at that hair. Who else has hair like that and invents things? Sometime down the line, he got wanged on the head and was convinced that his name was Buddy, and lost all memories except for ones involving that one episode where all the main characters were superheroes, so he got the idea that he was always meant to be a superhero.

• Or he's Jimmy Neutron who got stuck in another dimension; or that 'verse's Jimmy.
  • Alternatively...

Syndrome is Jimmy Neutron's REAL father.

Not only do they have the same hair style, but, those smarts must come from somewhere and since Syndrome might have super smarts as a superpower, passing it along is easy. Maybe he just donated sperm to show how great he is. Jimmy's "dad" certainly doesn't like to talk about sex or know much. Not to mention being obsessed with ducks. Maybe Jimmy's mom just got sperm elsewhere to get pregnant? Thus, Syndrome is Jimmy's father. Not to mention rocket boots, robots, and having a habit of screwing up AND thinking they are smarter than everyone else, leading to self created disaster that threatens lives. Plus, they are both computer generated.

Helen had the easiest childbirths EVER.

Having Violet and Dash (and Jack-Jack)? No labor problem, just stretch!

• Dash was probably a fast birth regardless.
• And we now all have the mental image of a vagina you can literally walk in and out of. Thanks, TvTropes!
• That would probably violate the Super Registration Act.
  • Telling a woman who can have a painless birth that she has to do it the normal way and suffer would probably go over about as well as telling a non-super woman she can't have painkillers.
  • What make you think that she can turn her powers off?
  • I can imagine the scene.
  Doctor: "I'm sorry, but we can't have you use your powers to give birth."
  Helen: "What?!"
  [Bob punches down a wall]
  Bob: "I'm sorry, did you just say my wife has to suffer without reason?"
  Doctor: "It's not me... I have orders..."
  Bob: "Well, tell the fool we forced you."

  • Chances are she just gave birth at home. She's essentially immune to all the most dangerous aspects of childbirth because her tissues stretch instead of tear, and her elasticity also means that she can serve as her own obstetrician. Who wants to go through the Hell of going to a hospital if your body basically allows you to pluck your newborn baby out of yourself like you're uprooting a turnip?
• All she had to do was say that she wanted a home birth, maybe a water birth even, hire a midwife (if she didn't have a friend that could help out) and BAM. No problems.

Jack-Jack will settle into a single power as he grows older.

I don't know who, but somebody said that Jack-Jack had so many powers to represent the endless potential young children have. Also, it would make a weird sort of sense in the universe that the reason the supers have such suiting abilities is because they weren't born with them specifically, but their abilities adjusted themselves to be the most useful to that specific person.

• This is how I always saw it, and it makes a lot of sense. Children's powers solidify as their personality does. That may even be what Helen meant when she said "Jack-Jack doesn't have a power", not that Jack-Jack didn't have one, but that he didn't have a specific one. Alternately, children's powers never manifest within eyeshot of their parents until they're fully formed, and the parents just don't know.
  • I always thought that the reason Jack-Jack had so many powers was because his personality wasn't fully formed. Once he was at a certain age where his personality was, most of his powers would disappear.
  • Which would explain why Violet and Dash's powers fit their personalities so well. Though this doesn't explain why Violet has two powers and everyone else has one.

Mezmerella is Psychwave after a Face–Heel Turn

Psychwave was an early victim of the Omnidroid and was supposedly killed by the first Omnidroid. Everseer, whose brain is being used by Xerek and the Unforgivables for their sinister plans, was killed by the same Omnidroid and was the leader of the team Psychwave used to be on. It could very well be Psychwave survived the incident, but suffered some memory loss, but retained her powers and became a supervillain. The writers of the comic have said Mezmerella has a tragic past...

Violet is Boo from Monsters, Inc.

There are several points in Monsters, Inc. where Boo appears to have the power of invisibility. Monsters have to be matched up to their specific kid so that they get maximum scream capacity. Boo was matched up with, that's right, Randall, a monster that becomes invisible. Coincidence? Yeah, probably. It's still a cool idea. As Violet grows up, she convinces herself that Sulley was just a dream or imaginary friend. Perhaps being good friends with monsters makes her subconsciously less comfortable around people and therefore shy in the human world. Or it could be the result of trauma from being kidnapped by Randall.

• Or Violet's powers were the result of experiments conducted on Randall, which included splicing his DNA into a human embryo. Violet was the only embryo that survived from this process. Helen volunteered to act as surrogate for the embryo, and Violet was born.
• Somebody needs to write this fanfic. Now.
• Incredibles is set in an alternate 60s-70s, while the Monsters, Inc. comic links the movie as being set post-Toy Story 1 with Sid as a villain that has been sneaking through the door system to steal toys and spare kids from what happened to him.
  • Anything goes in fanfiction though.
• This makes sense, especially considering the theory that all Pixar movies occur within the same universe.

The Incredibles takes place in either the Nineties or 2004.

If it takes place in the Silver Age, then tell me why there's cell phones in the comic? And modern looking cell phones at that...

• Probably some of Syndrome's inventions.
• That, and consider that The Incredibles is supposed to take place in an alternate universe.

• Word Of Bird is that the main part of the movie takes place in "the '60s of an alternate universe".

In the future, Dash will marry an older version of Penny.

This is something I realized some time ago...plus the pairing fits (in my opinion) and it's also the first original pairing I ever thought up.

The Incredibles is an alternate version of Wanted

This might be a bit of a stretch, but what if the fact that superheroes got outlawed gave the villains enough reason to not revolt? The fact that they never obeyed the law to begin with means the law against heroes has absolutely no power over them unless they allow it to.

Dash's teacher is a relative of Carl.

They bear a rather good resemblance, their voices are similar...and they both play the role of Butt-Monkey to people they find really annoying.

Elastigirl is the only woman who could even survive being married to Mr. Incredible.

Aside from the obvious "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" aspect, there an any number of ways that Bob could accidentally hurt or kill someone without her powers, from patting her on the back to rolling over on her in his sleep.

• A guy that big doesn't need superpowers to accidentally crush his wife rolling over.
  • Though it does set up the unfortunate implications that he could you know, accidentally blow his lover up like a balloon which would definitely kill a normal woman who lacks the powers, Elastigirl would definitely be able to handle it.

Edna Mode is a Super.

Her power is extreme fashion sense and the ability to make a superhero costume for anyone, regardless of abilities.

Edna Mode knew about Syndrome and was the REAL mastermind behind the plot.

Let's take a look at the evidence: Edna made it obvious in her first appearance that she was dreadfully bored of designing outfits for "Super" models, and instead wanted to go back to designing outfits for superheroes. She makes mention that Mr. Incredible's suit would be ready "before his next assignment." How would she know about that? And then, when we look at Syndrome's costume, it's obvious that it's the same kind of super suit that the other supers wear. Where else would Syndrome go but the best designer for super suits— Edna Mode? That's why his suit had a cape— she made a fatal design flaw in his suit, ensuring that the bad guy wouldn't win. She knew about the whole thing, and was able to pull just the right strings to rework his plan against him... just so she could get back to designing outfits for Supers.

• Why would she stand by while other Supers she knew and probably designed outfits for were killed? She's eccentric, not evil.

Dr. Manhattan created the Incredibles' universe

In his final speech before leaving his world, Manhattan told Ozymandias: "I think I'll create some [human life]". When he emerged in an alternate Earth, he shepherded the development of the human species so that many, like him, would be born with superhuman abilities; and subtly altered many of its' superheroic inhabitants so that they would be more ideal versions of the people he knew; e.g. Bob Parr as a decent, nice version of Edward Blake who wooed and married that world's equivalent of Sally Jupiter. Still possessing some of his human sentimentality, Jon then went on to create an idealized version of the tragedy in NY, where the "Mastermind" behind it was not a cold, calculating supergenius but a butthurt idiot with the mentality of a rejected teenager, and the incident was prevented without casualties. Even the creature itself he turned into a robot, so that it could be spared a cruel death.

Syndrome is an alternate universe Bruce Wayne

Buddy's parents were not killed when he was younger, so as he aged he became a spoiled brat, given everything he wanted thanks to their vast wealth. Mr. Incredible was the first to refuse him anything, which combined genius-level intellect with an inferiority complex and childhood trauma. Since said trauma came at the hands of a super, not a criminal, he took his revenge on supers instead.

Violet is the child of a past relationship that either Bob or Helen had before they were married.

If we don't want to go with the "somebody's dyeing their hair" theory, or the "Helen was having an affair" theory, here's this one. She's too young to remember her birth mother/father (who is either dead or otherwise no longer in the picture), just calls her step-parent "Mom/Dad", and nobody in the family makes an issue of it (Dash may not actually know).

• Given the similarities in Helen and Violet's facial structure, Bob is the more likely step-parent.

Frozone's wife is not a Super

• Probably, since she doesn't show up for the final battle with Frozone. But how could that have gotten past the Super Registration Act? She'd have to be let in on it.
  • Maybe he already knew her (dating at the time or not) before Supers were forced to go underground.

The sequel will focus more on the kids

Recently Brad Bird confirmed that he plans to make the sequel to the "Incredibles". I think the main plot would revolve around how Violet, Dash, and Jack-Jack handle the life of a super. And how them still being TECHNICALLY children and fighting some pretty heartless, uncaring criminals might affect their parent's attitude about the fact.

• Confirmed. The kids don't run the show in the sequel, but they play a major role in the climax, especially with the family adapting to Jack-Jack's powers and the kids saving the parents towards the end, and the ending clearly puts the spotlight on Violet, heavily implying she'll be the main character in the third film.

The Incredibles Universe is connected to the Men in Black universe

Hear me out. They have advanced technology. Laser weapons. Giant Robots. Memory Wiping Devices that can be set for a certain amount of time! Then there are the Men In Black walking about dealing with things normal man was not meant to know or understand.

Violet's official super hero name would be Invisigirl.

Because it's a pun and fits with Elastigirl.

• Not so much a pun, more of a portmanteau. Regardless, I'd expect her Super name to be UltraViolet (as in not visible to the human eye).
  • This is confirmed for Violet's mirrorverse counterpart. Though not yet sure if it'll be her actual canon superhero identity when Incredibles 3 rolls around.
• I on the other hand would expect Shrinking Violet. A pun and an apt description of her powers.
  • She doesn't shrink.

The Parrs become the Incredibles upon being allowed back into the world of crime fighting.

Mr. Incredible would remain Mr. Incredible, and his family would become something along the lines of Mrs. Incredible, the Incredible Jack-Jack, the Incredible Violet and the Incredible Dash. That family friendly appeal cannot be ignored.

• That's too close to their real names, though. Even in the Super's glory days, every super had a secret identity. Maybe all their names would be allusions to their powers while being puns on the word "Incredible" (Although Mr. Incredible has to stay Mr. Incredible).
  • Semi-confirmed for Dash, which is his nickname and is short for Dashiel. Violet and Jack-Jack don't have superhero codenames yet.

Dash is the only biological child of Bob and Helen Parr.

Someone mentioned above that the nature of Violet's powers is different than her parents because her power involves manipulating light and energy (turning herself invisible and making force fields) while her parents' abilities are both physical. And to run quickly, Dash needs to have strong and flexible muscles, right? Jack-Jack's powers are just about everything except the powers already in his family.

• Boo's parents were scientists, and discovered some of Randall's skin cells by accident in their daughter's room. They grafted some of the DNA into a human embryo, and then Violet was born. Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl decided to adopt her, since she was a Super (and at that point, they were the only married couple where both members were Supers). Then they had Dash, and the government began work on designing a Super baby, who ended up being Jack-Jack, also adopted by the Parrs (this works best if you believe the Pixar Theory, which involves the Monster's Inc. doors traveling through time). When Elastigirl says "Jack-Jack doesn't have a power," she knew that Jack-Jack had powers, but the government didn't tell the Parrs exactly how many or what they were, which is why everyone was surprised when they saw Jack-Jack in action.

Syndrome's dad will be Avenging the Villain in Incredibles 2

This video's Number 4 outlines the idea that Syndrome's super-genius is genetic and his father was basically forced to work for the government, who celebrates Syndrome's murderers. Naturally, he goes full Papa Wolf and cue the plot.

Jossed, new villian is unconnected.

Helen's ex-boyfriend will be the Antagonist in Incredibles 2

To Foil Bob's "relationship" with Mirage. Xerek is a great possibility but it could just be a new character made for this purpose. I mean, can you see something like this happening and imagine it being hilarious?

Bob: [Villain] is your ex-boyfriend?

Helen: You're making it worse, Bob!

Violet: And exactly how was dating Tony a bad idea?

Helen: First of all, it wasn't you dating him; it was you wanting to tell him about your super-life...and secondly, this is not the time!

Jossed: The new villian is unconnected.

The Story of Incredibles 2 would be about Dash going rogue.

I got this theory from an Andre The Black Nerd video. Dash would get to reckless with his powers, often leading to him getting scolded by his parents. The movie's Big Bad manipulates Dash by convincing him that he wouldn't have to keep following the rules as a villain.

• The aforementioned video elaborates on this WMG and combines it with the idea that a computer back-up of Syndrome's intelligence being the Big Bad of Incredibles 2. Said back-up basically gives Dash the outlet he thinks he wants but then it comes out that he's basically being used to murder his father (and possibly the rest of his family), to his utter horror. This prompts Dash's return to heroics and him being a changed man.

Jossed: Dash doesn't go rogue and is shown to be completely heroic, new villian wants to make Supers permanently illegal.

Incredibles 2 will introduce a super powered villain as well as a Badass Normal or Gadgeteer Genius hero.

The villains in the first film have no super powers, and all the people with powers are apparently heroes. Not even in flashbacks do we see otherwise. The sequel will flip this, giving us a super who turned evil and a normal person who decides to become a hero for the greater good.

• Confirmed. Although the Screenslaver herself doesn't have any powers, she uses technology to enslave supers who do, and the fight against a whole bunch of supers under her control is a big part of the film's finale.

Calling it now that Disney own Pixar and Marvel: The Golden Age Supers are part of the same super-soldier project that created Captain America.

Jack-Jack grew up to become Fred's Dad.

• Nomanisan is now the family's private retreat.

Mirage is Ambiguously Brown

• Despite being voiced by a Hispanic actress, it's altogether possible than Mirage, herself, is not Hispanic and her ethnicity is one of the many other mysteries about her.

The sequel will address some of the issues with supers being public again.

The Incredibles is a good film to make a sequel to not just because it's a superhero film, but because it ends with the world, and the lives of the main family, being changed. A sequel can be used to address the new issues and aspects of this world and their lives. For instance, having to balance their superhero and normal lives, and matters of being famous.

• Confirmed.

The sequel will happen in the next generation.

The movie will premiere around 15 years after its premiere, it would be a waste if no Timeskip happened. Instead, Incredibles 2 will center around Violet and Tony's children, and the relationships between parents and children in the adulthood. The villain will be again a deconstruction of some Tropes, but instead of comic Tropes it will be about superhero movies tropes.

• Jossed. The sequel starts within the same day as the first one ends.

Violet inherited a milder version of Helen's powers

• She seems to stretch as she leaps at Dash over the dinner table and it isn't hard to imagine that powers would be in part influenced by genetics. Her version of her mother's elasticity is so subtle it goes unnoticed by everyone, even Violet herself.
  • Not unheard of (though this means she'll be susceptible to all of her mom's weaknesses as well, meaning Violet better hope she doesn't go up against an air themed or water themed villian who might use that flexibility to their advantage), she could also inherit some of her dad's durability too.

Syndrome is the son of Fironic

This is the reason Syndrome is so upset with Mr. Incredible rejecting him. Syndrome's dad was a super, but Syndrome had no powers, so he invented thing to make himself super. Fironic could have had flying powers, so Syndrome made rocket boots so he could fly too. What if the real reason Syndrome invented zero-point energy rays was because Fironic had similar powers? Fironic may have seen superhero work as too dangerous for his son, which is why Syndrome idols Mr. Incredible so much. When Syndrome attempts to fight the Omnidroid at the end of the movie, someone says "Is that Fironic?" The reason why Syndrome is mistaken for Fironic is because he resembles his dad.

Jossed: Fironic appears in a flashback scene of Incredibles 2 and he's most definitely not related to Buddy Pine.

The Big Bad of the Incredibles 2 will be Super Supremacist.

In order to contrast Syndrome, the villain will be a Super who captures Supers and tries to use them to create an army under their command to wage war on normal people.

• To be fair they already have a known Super Supremacist in this universe, as mentioned in the NSA files for the DVD, Gamma Jack was one and though he was killed at the hands of the Omnidroid, it could be possible somehow he didn't or cut a deal with Syndrome or something...to be honest, the main reason I'd want him to be the villain of Incredibles 2 is due to his personality, which makes his previous alias of Handsome Jack hilariously ironic.

The Big Bad of the Incredibles 2 will be an Evil Counterpart to Frozone.

A black man with superpowers over ice or possibly fire instead, who was once a hero before the relocation program resulted in his life getting ruined. He subsequently blamed Bob for it happening and promised to kill him and all those he loves.

• Also, he might even have Telekinesis to contrast Bob.

Jossed.

The Big Bad of the Incredibles 2 will be an Evil Counterpart to Frozone who is a Super Supremacist.

A black man who also has ice powers who blames normal humans for ruining his life with the relocation program, as well as Bob for his scandals being the "spark" that caused the lawsuits to begin (in his mind anyway...). He will capture other Supers and try to use them to create an army to kill the Parr family before waging war against the American government.

• Also, he may even have Super-Strength in order to make him an Evil Counterpart to Bob too.

Jossed.

The Evil Counterpart to Frozone with Fire Powers and Telekinesis, The Super Supremacist with Ice Powers and Super-Strength, Another Super Supremacist with Ice Powers, Vapour Powers, Snow Powers, and Water Powers, and Gamma Jack with his Nuclear Energy Powers, will all be the Big Bads of I2

• Jossed.

There's other super children.

As many supers as there supposedly were, you can't tell me that not one of them besides Bob and Helen decided to have kids.

• Confirmed: Incredibles 2 reveals many such children, like Voyd, who was born right before Supers went underground (she's implied to be in her early 20's), and with the international Superhero community now revealed in the flesh, there are definitely other kids around the world that have powers.

Super-kids 'try on' multiple powers before settling with certain ones

Jack-Jack seems to have teleportation, shapeshifting, and phasing as powers. It's possible that he's just trying out multiple powers and then will settle with certain ones as he ages. Otherwise that kid is really powerful.

• Edna did say that some kids are born with one or two powers that they outgrow later on, but she also said that she'd never seen a baby with as many powers as Jack-Jack, so whether he'll outgrow any of his powers, and if so which ones, remains a mystery.

Jack-Jack will be the antagonist of Incredibles 2; it just won't be on purpose.

Basically, some horrific monster keeps showing up at random times and the Parrs try to figure out where it came from. Eventually they either A) realize that Jack-Jack and the monster are never present at the same time or B) witness Jack-Jack being forcibly transformed. The villain had some way of tapping into the monster form Jack-Jack defeated Syndrome with but no longer uses by the time of the sequel (for whatever reason) and loved the idea of using one of the Incredibles against the family.

Partially jossed, partially confirmed: Incredibles 2 has a new unrelated villain, though the various new powers Jack-Jack is using are a major obstacle that Mr Incredible needs to face.

If the sequel takes place when Violet is an adult/college-aged, she will have dropped out of the super life style and will get drawn into a plot against her family.

This could happen a couple of ways.

• Option A: Her significant other (probably not Tony who would probably have to get Chuck Chunningham Syndrome in the sequel regardless) will turn off Dash, who is totally suspicious of this guy and makes this clear. Violet refuses to take him seriously, both because Dash is her little brother and because Dash is such a cocky little cuss. Eventually said significant other turns out to be a spy who's working for either an anti-super villain or a super supremacist (basically someone who has some reason to want the Incredibles gone). Violet suits up to save her family and realizes that she's missed protecting others, drawing her back into the super business.
• Option B: Violet has a nice normal life (in part because she convinced Edna to give her a power limiter in the form of some kind of jewelry, so she can take it off if she needs/wants to) and everything is going swimmingly at school. However, one day Violet starts having blackouts, some of which she wakes up from in places she doesn't remember going, just as a supervillain starts their rampage of terror. Her family is struggling with the villain and begs her for help which she denies because she's happy with her normal life and wants to keep it long enough to finish college. However Violet's blackouts culminate with her coming to in the presence of the supervillain who explains that his insert-name-for-device-of-control-here was able to interfere with her power limiter, not only giving him access to her powers but access to her mind as well, meaning that all of her blackouts have been the result of this guy forcibly taking control of her and making her hurt people including possibly her own family and now she's trapped in his lair with no way out. Eventually the rest of the family discovers her predicament and rushes to the rescue. The villain is defeated and Violet realizes that wanting to grow and change is fine but denying who you are is unhealthy and sometimes even dangerous.
  • Granted, neither of these will probably happen exactly like I display above (though I probably will write fanfics on these two premises plus some others I like at some point) but the basic plots are sound enough.

• Incredibles 2 picks up shortly after the first film ended..

The supervillains changed how they played, but didn't disappear.

Rather they changed from 'big and bold out in the open' to more subtle methods the public wouldn't notice. They STILL would've been stopped by Supers if they'd been active (what Super WOULDN'T look into any sign of crime?), but that the thing: the Supers weren't. So long as the public didn't become aware of their actions, they wouldn't call the Supers back to action and the Supers would stay out of their hair. And they GOT AWAY WITH IT...until Syndrome did exactly what they were trying to AVOID. After the Supers returned, the villains decided 'screw it, they're after us anyway, better go back to the big and bold stuff'.

The reason there didn't seem to be that many supervillains is because the government scooped them all up.

Assuming that supers are born with the same kind of morality as normal humans (whatever view you take), and had similar origin stories, it's not far-fetched to assume that both the heroes and the villains would start out small, and unless they could do so subtly or semi-legitimately (like Syndrome did), they'd catch the attention of law enforcement, who would then pass it on to the NSA, who in turn would deploy agents to detain the villains. Then, either through rehabilitation or forcible removal of their powers, the would-be villain ends up either a hero in the employ of the NSA, or Brought Down to Normal, taking the "super" element out entirely. Naturally, this all stopped once the supers were put into hiding...

The sequel will show elements of 1970s America.

By which I mean we'll see some '70s Hair and more open shirts on some characters. A Funny Background Event will show a man dealing with his lemon of a car. A number of white background characters will be noticeably tanned and a number of black ones will have afros. A poster above a a theatre will be for an Exploitation Film and a Bruce Lee Clone will be on another (who is Lee's counterpart in this world) with a shark (alluding to Jaws). The soundtrack will have bites of Disco, Funk, Glam Rock, Raggae and other music associated with the time period. Someone will sport a Porn Stache. New Age Retro Hippies will be referenced (probably as just a guy in the background sporting the style). One of the female characters will wear a fur coat but more will wear flattering sweaters. All of that mixed in with some of the 1960s will show that time has passed to an extent, even if there isn't a big Time Skip.

Sequel picks up right where the first film ended, with no Time Skip.

Violet and Dash inherited their father's toughness.

How else does Dash get up from spill after major high-speed spill with nary a scratch while being chased by the velocipod pilots? And how else does Violet recover as quickly as she does from getting struck in the head through her own force field?

• This "toughness", as you put it, seems like textbook Required Secondary Powers. Think about it; the heavy duty physical exertion superheroes put themselves through on a constant basis usually requires some measure of invulnerability above and beyond that of a normal human being (even high-tuned athletes).
  • In which case, confirmed. If having at least low-level super-toughness is a freebie for having a super-power, and they both inherited "having a super-power" from their parents, then they did both inherit super-toughness from their Dad (& also their Mom, but that wasn't the point).
  • Supertoughness is a freebie superpower because the ones who didn't have it ended up dying early into their careers.

Most of the supervillains from the Glory Days were killed

Syndrome is grown-up male expy of Princess Morbucks

Think about it. Syndrome & Princess Morbucks have similarities regarding their backstories resulting in them becoming villains. Both of them were wannabes and The Loads for the main protagonists and caused the villains the heroes were fighting to get away with their crimes. Both don't have superpowers and both attempted to use weapons without any superhero experience. Both almost get themselves killed in their first attempts at being heroes. Both tried to force themselves in superhero positions on protagonists that didn't need them. They also both become (wrongfully) bitter towards the protagonists & turn evil as a result of being snubbed by the protagonists.

In the sequel, Dash would work at Pizza Planet.

The producers would make up for the fact that the first movie is the only one not to follow the tradition of hiding it somewhere by giving Pizza Planet a prominent role. It would also add a touch of irony by having the speedster being a slow pizza delivery guy.

• Jossed. He's still a kid in the sequel, though we do see the Happy Platter restaurant, where Violet's crush Tony works at, as his parents are the owners, could very well be a decent Summer job for both kids, especially Violet, and the Pizza Planet Truck does make a cameo.

The film will receive a prequel series.

Netflix will produce an Original series set in the Superheroes' Glory Days. Mr. Incredible will be wearing his old black and blue uniform, Elastigirl her white and red suit, Bomb Voyage will become a major villain, and Buddy will be a forever superhero-chasing fan.

• The other superheroes will be as described in their dossiers on the NSA DVD/Blu-Ray special feature.
• Also, similar to Star Wars: The Clone Wars, many of the unseen or mentioned-only heroes will get their own days in the limelight.
  • Perhaps it could air on Disney XD instead of a streaming service. Once Star Wars Rebels ends, they could use another show based on a successful movie franchise to fill the action slot (Yes, they have Marvel based shows, but that doesn't necessarily rule it out).

Bomb Voyage will appear in the sequel.

Bomb Voyage, who only appeared in the opening of the first film, will reappear as the Big Bad or a major villain.

• More likely, he'll appear in the epilogue to make it a case of Book Ends.

Jossed: Bomb Voyage is completely absent.

Bob wasn't the first Super to get a new uniform from Edna after being recruited by Mirage.

He wasn't the first one to fight an Omnidroid and live to tell the tale so there's a chance he's not the first one whose uniform needed repairs afterwards. Also, they and some of the other Supers might have decided from the very beginning a fifteen-year-old uniform couldn't be relied upon in the first place.

Edna Mode designed Syndrome's super-suit.

Syndrome was able to locate most of the supers that have been placed underground and hidden by the US government, so it should be no surprise that he would eventually locate the very person who gave each superhero their distinctive design.

While there is no doubt that Syndrome has the resources and ingenuity to created a heroic outfit by himself, lets not forget about how far Syndrome goes to try and recreate the superhero experience. Edna has worked with many different kinds of eccentric individuals (she herself one of them), and while she would jump at the chance of creating a super-suit like in the old days, she isn’t an idiot. She would be suspicious of this eccentric rich-boy wanting to play hero and even if he really did want to be a hero, she would probably recognize the inherent risk he would pose on the world.

So what does she do?

She gave Syndrome's outfit a cape.

She is well aware of the dangers of cape (having probably inadvertently killed a few supers by giving them capes), so it is likely that she gave Syndrome’s outfit a cape just to be sure.

• An alternate idea to the above: Edna actually didn't design Syndrome's suit and he, instead, did. Think about it. When we first see him as a kid, what is he seen wearing? A cape. And being a kid, he's the one who put his outfit together. If it hadn't been for the cape, Bomb Voyage wouldn't have thrown his bomb and it wouldn't have gotten attached to it. And if Bob hadn't gotten the bomb off the cape, Syndrome would have been dead then and there. Fast-forward years later, he's a supervillain and wants to come off as a superhero. Not learning about how Supers who died due to wearing capes, he goes back to having a cape in his outfit. So, if he had actually gone to Edna Mode like how Bob did for a new suit, he would have found out about how much of a bad idea having a cape is. So, due to his ignorance, he inadvertently lead to his own demise because of his own suit design, and the fact that Bomb Voyage's bomb being stuck to his cape as a child was a foreshadow of his own death by ignorance.

The plot is said to focus on Helen, so...

The villain will be her Evil Former Friend, likely from her days as a solo hero.

• Would an evil former love interest be too much cliché?
• Snug from the first movie would be a nice Continuity Nod.
• Semi-confirmed. The villain, Evelyn, is a new acquaintance of the adult Incredibles, at least up until it's revealed Evelyn is the mastermind behind everything, at which point she vehemently denies being Helen's friend, trying to make an argument against the idea that this betrayal is a real betrayal.

Each Parr Child's Powers Is The Result of Helen's Mood When She and Bob Were Getting It On.

Think about it for a second: Violet has the powers of invisibility and force fields because Helen was nervous about doing it with Bob and she was reluctant to truly come out of her shell. Dash has super speed because Helen let a quickie go too far. Jack Jack has all those random powers seen near the end of the movie and Jack Jack Attack because there was a point where Bob and Helen were trying out some really weird positions and they were unsure of where things were going to go.

Oliver Sansweet was going to kill himself to avoid being accused of criminal conspiracy with Bomb Voyage.

Sansweet worked at the bank Voyage was robbing. He tipped the supervillain off as to what floor the hidden safe was on, and maybe even let him in the building (hence no evidence of an explosion until Voyage was breaking back out.) Sansweet's employment at the bank would explain why he had access to a high floor, especially at dusk, which would presumably be after business hours. He got cold feet and decided the money wasn't worth the risk of his life being ruined upon discovery, so he tried to save himself the shame of being arrested, shamed, and deserted by friends and family. The lawsuit was actually a diversion tactic: He can play the part of being Incredible's "victim", and if Bomb Voyage tried to rat on him now, it would look too sensational to be true.

The Supers were created by a government super-soldier program during WWII.

The lawsuit against Mr. Incredible takes place in 1947 making him and the rest of his generation of Supers old enough to have taken part in WWII. At the end of the war the government had a surplus of Supers so they initiated a program to use Supers as a supplement to law enforcement. The program backfired because combat trained Supers like Mr. Incredible tended to use excessive force and cause excessive collateral damage. This also explains the lack of Super-villains, since the first generation of Supers got their powers from a government program.

• This now seems unlikely considering the foreign heroes in the sequel. However, when you add Nazi's into the mix...

• Jossed in the comics, at least. Xerek is a villain who has lived for 200 years. His power is that he always wins no matter what.

Alternatively, Supers were an attempt by the Nazi's to weaponize magic.

They wanted to use magic, but couldn't since Pixar magic is fuelled primarily by good emotions, such as the Power of Friendship and the Power of Love. Obviously since Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, this didn't really work. The people they tested on escaped and spilled the beans to the good guys on how to create supers, and they won.

If Mr. Incredible had accepted Buddy as his sidekick, he would have grown up to be a Batman type hero.

Buddy/Syndrome would have been the Batman of their universe instead of a villainous Lex Luther character.

"Honey" is not black

People compare her to the Sassy Black Woman stereotype but we never see her, all we know is that she married a black man, and interracial marriages do exist. One character design for her was black, but they gave it to another character, so that's probably not what Honey looks like In-Universe.

• This is basically already jossed. Her original design reveals that she was ultimately intended to be black, plus the fact that she was voiced by a black woman. However, she could very well be mixed-raced. And just because they gave her model to someone else doesn't mean that she isn't black or mixed-raced. Plus, we got this.

Syndrome's parents, and the entire city, never found out about his criminal activities

To this day, his parents and the citizens still think Buddy is a benevolent guy who is selling inventions to the government in order to help mankind. They don't even know he is dead. They assume he has gone into hiding in fear of super villains.

Syndrome killed his parents

They knew about his criminal life. Syndrome didn't want any loose ends, so he made them "disappear".

Mr Incredible and Elastigirl are feeder and feedee couple

When they first got together, it was at least partly because Elastigirl, thanks to her powers, could eat as much as she wanted to. Later, her powers had other uses in the bedroom, as she could expand or compress her body in ways that make her thinner or fatter at will. Even her current weight could change if she simply swallowed water, stored it in the appropriate places inside her body, then spat it out when she wanted to back to her normal weight. The reason she looked at her reflection and sighed, holding her hips isn't because she's gained weight since the last time she was Elastigirl and she's sad about it. Its that that she normally, as Helen Parr, makes herself look much fatter. It is a gradual change that she has been making over many years to make the public perception of Helen Parr be that of a fat woman slowly getting fatter with time. By now the disguise for her secret identity is about fifty kilograms (a hundred and ten pounds) simulated all over her body, but mostly in her hips, thighs, and buttocks. As the audience, we're never actually shown this weight because it would just needlessly confuse the audience if they didn't also add an otherwise unnecessary twenty minute long bit of exposition about all of this. But they left in that little glimpse of her, because it just seemed like she was disappointed at having put on a bit of weight since the glory days. What actually happened there was that she'd "slimmed down" by expelling most of the water she normally carried inside of her to look fat but, upon seeing her reflection, she realised that she had subconsciously refused to rid herself of some of her simulated "pear-shape", even though she was trying to be Elastigirl again.

• I wouldn't be surprised if Violet were to pick up on this behavior by sheer accident (she can turn invisible) if she ever decides to be with Tony, and he does work at his family's restaurant...

Even if Syndrome did have powers, he would have turned evil anyways.

Huph died from his wounds.

Mr Incredible threw Huph through several walls and the Incredibles have been known to kill mooks whether or not their intent was to.

Syndrome is meant to be a deconstruction of Ozymandias.

Supers are demi-gods.

And they all have a god-gene that allows them to shape their realities.

Honey hides Frozone’s supersuit to protect him.

Honey is not a Super like her husband is. However, she is aware of him going off at night to fight crime. Rather than risk his personal safety, she takes his suit when he isn’t around and tries to hide it in a place he can’t find it. To her, keeping her husband safe is the most important thing.

• Nah. She did it because she is his WIFE. She's the greatest good that he's ever gonna get!!
  • Not quite. She did it because HER EVENING WAS IN DANGER!!!

Dash’s teacher is a Super.

Bernie was a Super like Bob and Helen and, after Supers were forced into hiding, he became a teacher. He knows Dash is a Super and knows the kid is using his powers to play pranks on him in class. He might have a power that he used to identify Dash as the one who left the thumbtack on his chair, but is afraid of what will happen if he tells people about his power.

Mr Incredible caused the Notre Dame Cathedral fire in April 15, 2019.

he was fighting some Supervillain at the top of the cathedral who is held a hostage captive by strapping to the cathedral's spire, the villain is fire type and Mr Incredible defeats him, causing him to explode in flames, engulfing the cathedral into flames, and Mr Incredible saves the hostage by letting the spire caught on fire.

The villain of Incredibles 3 will be a super.

For the first two movies, the villains have no apparent superpowers (Syndrome could have super intelligence, but that's never stated or even speculated, so it's also possible people can just be that intelligent naturally in this universe). 3 will, not only to make the new villain stand out, but to explore the unexplained mystery of superpowers, where they come from, and why we haven't seen superpowered villains before.

• This villain will be a former superhero who falls to evil due to the mistreatment of heroes since the golden age. They'll be an Evil Counterpart to Bob, specifically his anger in the first film over not being able to help people. It will be a Beware the Superman plot, with the hero being especially powerful and trying to enforce his brand of justice on the world, whether people like it or not. He'll initially be a Villain with Good Publicity, with the Incredibles finding out about his true Knight Templar tendencies over the course of the film. There will be a divide among the heroes similar to Injustice: Gods Among Us about whether he's truly a hero or villain, even among the Parr family, though they come together in the end.

Rick Dicker was the one who originally recruited Bob, Helen, and Lucius to become superheroes.

• It would honestly make a lot of sense considering he seems to be close to them on a personal level and was even invited to Bob and Helen's wedding. He met them when they were young and noticed their powers so he invited them to join the superheroes.

Bob unknowingly uses his precognition when naming his children

Bob has a limited danger sense. This might be further reaching than he realizes, subconsciously letting him name his children after powers he doesn't know they have yet.

Kari is a super

She takes a pounding, but survives everything Jack-Jack dishes out. Even when exhausted, after twelve hours of babysitting, her reflexes are quick enough to deflect a laser beam — something moving at the speed of light — with a mirror, in as safe a direction as possible.

The Mugging was caused by Huph

Taken from a wiki page, it theorizes that the mugging victim was actually one of Huph's employees who quit his job. Huph then hired someone to mug him for payback.

Mr. Huph was trying to get Bob to assault him.

• He knows perfectly well that Bob is coaching his customers on how to penetrate the Insuricare bureaucracy, getting their payouts and threatening his precious bottom line. But since everything Bob is doing is technically in line with law and written company protocol, he cannot legally tell Bob to stop what he's doing. And if he simply fired Bob, Bob would be in a position to sue Insuricare for wrongful dismissal, not to mention telling the media that he was fired for helping clients get the payouts to which they were legally entitled and starting a scandal that would hurt the bottom line a hundred times worse than what Bob's already doing. So he calls Bob into his office and starts verbally poking at his buttons, possibly even hiring the conveniently-timed mugger to ratchet up the pressure, all with the goal of getting Bob to do exactly what he did do: lose his temper, lash out, and give Huph an excuse to fire him. Of course, he had no idea that Bob Parr was actually Mister Incredible, so he was not in the least prepared for just how badly Bob could hurt him.

Kari's methods of mental stimulation did work after all, probably a bit too well.

In the short Jack-Jack Attack Kari actually plays Mozart with her beliefs that it could make the babies smart and give Jack-Jack an extra push to unlimited potential. Once the music starts Jack-Jack's reaction indicates that he actually got something activated on his mind, and then aftewards he quickly develops his by then hidden superpowers. So Kari's mental stimulation theories amusingly enough were correct indeed and gave the baby an etra push to develop his potential...with amusing unintended concequences.

Mirage is related to Agent K

Aside from looking similar to each other, I think they’re related somehow because when Mirage was shown with a horrified expression regarding the radio transmission, she was probably having flashbacks to when Todd and Riley found themselves being threatened by villains shown offscreen.

Supers are mutants

This seems to be the most logical explanation for where the Supers got their powers, Brad Bird said that every superhero in this universe is naturally created, and he didn't bother coming up with an origin for their powers, which is a similar motivation to what made Stan Lee create the concept of Mutants.

Lucius pointed out that the restaurant will be closed if no one stops the Omni droid.

That’s why Honey let him have his suit. HER EVENING WAS IN DANGER!!

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