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[[WMG: Violet is Boo from ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'']]
There are several points in ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'' where Boo appears to have the power of invisibility. Monsters have to be matched up to their specific kid so that they get maximum scream capacity. Boo was matched up with, that's right, Randall, a monster that becomes invisible. Coincidence? Yeah, probably. It's still a cool idea. As Violet grows up, she convinces herself that Sulley was just a dream or imaginary friend. Perhaps being good friends with monsters makes her subconsciously less comfortable around people and therefore shy in the human world. Or it could be the result of trauma from being kidnapped by Randall.

* Incredibles is set in an alternate 60s-70s, while the ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'' comic links the movie as being set post-Toy Story 1 with Sid as a villain that has been sneaking through the door system to steal toys and spare kids from what happened to him.

*** Alternatively, Mr. Incredible and Syndrome were LARPing at first, however, Syndrome being Syndrome was sadistic enough to choose to be a villain for real, prompting Mr. Incredible to BecomeTheBoast.

[[WMG: Syndrome is a homage to ComicBook/IronMan during the ComicBook/CivilWar.]]

* Aside from the aforementioned point that this was made BEFORE "Civil War", what the HELL does [[Creator/DCComics Superman]] have to do with [[Creator/MarvelComics Iron Man]]?!
** Iron Man's enemy during Civil War is the Anti-Reg side, whose leader is ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, who is about as idealistic as Supes.

* Oooo! Helen had an affair with [[Franchise/FantasticFour The Thing]], because she's able to [[{{Squick}} stretch to "accommodate" his size!]]

* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' is ''Comicbook/{{Wanted}}''? You, sir or madam, have just blown my mind.

No physical powers? Check. Ability to make himself superhero through being GadgeteerGenius? Check. Flying through rocket system? Check. Opposes Supers? Check. Attacked Mr. Incredible, a Franchise/{{Superman}} Ersatz? double check.

Mostly but not entirely copied from my original entry on the Headscratchers page: His powers at the end, with enough {{Rules Lawyer}}ing, can explain everything in "Jack-Jack Attack". The EyeBeams and PlayingWithFire can have the same sources, if the former is just a very focused expression of the latter (emitting heat and light). The floating and walking on the ceiling are neutral and negative buoyancy, whereas the Heavy Jack-Jack at the end was a combination of shapeshifting and positive buoyancy. Going through the walls can be explained by many of the things that allow density change, such as if he has the single overall power of being able to change local matter (that is, his body) to energy and back, while affecting the way it is stored or used. If he has some way of containing heat or kinetic energy, or can adjust the stored energy to mass ratio by even a small amount (extra bonds instead of simple particles, etc.), he's probably been storing up extra environmental energy since his power first activated. Dash almost definitely has some energy-related powers, and Violet's shields are energy-based as well, so it's not unprecedented (although if I try to bring Superpower Genetics into this without Mr. Incredible having some sort of [[Franchise/{{Superman}} tactile telekinesis]], I'd end up saying that all supers' powers are moving energy around in their own special way, which is true for all life as we define it).

* If it was, it becomes HilariousInHindsight, now Disney owns Creator/MarvelComics. (For those not in the know, Franchise/{{Superman}} is owned by Creator/DCComics, Marvel's biggest competition).

[[WMG: Syndrome is an alternate universe [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne]]]]

[[WMG: The period of superhero repression in that world is when ''WesternAnimation/DespicableMe'' takes place.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler:Dash doesn't go rouge and is shown to be completely heroic, new villian wants to make Supers permanently illegal.]]

* Semi-confirmed.

* [[spoiler: Jossed. They're still the same age.]]

* [[spoiler: All those theories are jossed. The villain is a person who put the Supers under MassHypnosis.]]

* Semi-confirmed: [[spoiler: ''Incredibles 2'' reveals that Voyd may be one such child who was likely born right before Supers went underground (she's implied to be in her early 20's), and with the international Superhero community now revealed in the flesh, there are definitely kids around the world that have powers.]]

Completely jossed: [[spoiler:''WesternAnimation/Incredibles2'' picks up directly from where the first film ended with no TimeSkip and goes from there with a new unrelated villain.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler: ''Incredibles 2'' picks up right where the first film ended with no TimeSkip and continues the plot of Supers being illegal with the end goal of undoing the Super ban.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler:Sequel picks up right where the first film ended, with no TimeSkip.]]

The producers would make up for the fact that The first movie is the only one not to follow the tradition of hiding it somewhere by giving Pizza Planet a prominent role. It would also add a touch of irony by having the speedster being a slow pizza delivery guy.
* [[spoiler: Jossed. He's still a kid in the sequel and it picks up right where the first film ended, though it does introduce the Happy Platter restaurant, where Violet's crush Tony works at as his parents are the owners, could very well be a decent Summer job for both kids, especially Violet, and the Pizza Planet Truck does make a cameo.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler: Bomb Voyage is completely absent with the Underminer taking his spot.]]

* Jossed. [[spoiler: The villain, Evelyn, is a ''new'' acquaintance of the adult Incredibles, at least up until it's revealed Evelyn is the mastermind behind everything, at which point she vehemently denies being Helen's friend, trying to make an argument against the idea that this betrayal is a real betrayal.]]

** [[spoiler: Jossed. The Screen Slaver doesn't have powers, though as seen under WhatCouldHaveBeen, we almost had a legitimate villian with actual Superpowers who had the same powerset as He-Lectric and had Evelyn Deavor's design.]]

** [[spoiler: Semi-jossed. The kids don't ''run the show'' in the sequel, but they do play a major role in the climax, especially with the family adapting to Jack-Jack's powers and the kids saving the parents towards the end, and the ending clearly puts the spotlight on Violet, heavily implying she'll be the main character in the third film.]]

[[spoiler:Jossed, new villian is actually connected to Mr. Incredible's saving of Oliver Sansweet which got the Supers banned and caused a rich family's parents who supported Supers to be killed in a robbery.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler:Syndrome is more likely than not dead, considering how he got pulled in the same way as Stratogale and his jet blew up with him likely still being shredded by the jet turbines, he's definitely dead by the [[WesternAnimation/Incredibles2 second movie.]]]]

By which I mean we'll see some SeventiesHair and more open shirts on some characters. A FunnyBackgroundEvent will show a man dealing with his lemon of a car. A number of white background characters will be noticeably tanned and a number of black ones will have afros. A poster above a a theatre will be for an ExploitationFilm and a BruceLeeClone will be on another (who is Lee's counterpart in this world) with a shark (alluding to Jaws). The soundtrack will have bites of Disco, Funk, Glam Rock, Raggae and other music associated with the time period. Someone will sport a PornStache. NewAgeRetroHippies will be referenced (probably as just a guy in the background sporting the style). One of the female characters will [[PrettyInMink wear a fur coat]] but more will wear [[SweaterGirl flattering sweaters]]. All of that mixed in with some of the 1960s will show that time has passed to an extent, even if there isn't a big TimeSkip.

[[WMG: Mirage is related to [[WesternAnimation/TheReplacements|Agent K]]]]

[[WMG: Mirage is {{WesternAnimation/TheReplacements|Agent K}}]]
Aside from looking similar to each other, I think they’re related somehow because when Mirage was shown with a horrified expression regarding the radio transmission, she’s probably having flashbacks to when Todd and Riley found themselves being threatened by villains shown offscreen.

** [[spoiler: Semi-jossed. The kids don't ''run the show'' in the sequel, but they do play a major role, especially with the family adapting to Jack-Jack's powers and the kids saving the parents towards the end.]]

** [[spoiler: Jossed. The Screen Slaver doesn't have powers, though as seen under WhatCouldHaveBeen, we almost had a legitimate villian with actual Superpowers.]]

** Not unheard of (though this means she'll be susceptible to all of her mom's weaknesses as well), she could also inherit some of her dad's durability too.

Jossed: [[spoiler: Fironic appears in a flashback scene of ''Incredibles 2'' and he's most definitely not related to Buddy Pine.]]

* Semi-confirmed: [[spoiler: ''Incredibles 2'' reveals that Voyd may be one such child.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler:Sequel picks up right where the first film ended, no TimeSkip.]]

* [[spoiler: Jossed. He's still a kid in the sequel and it picks up where the first film ended, though it does introduce the Happy Platter restaurant, where Violet's crush Tony works at as his parents are the owners, could very well be a decent Summer job for both kids, especially Violet.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler: Bomb Voyage is absent with the Underminer taking his spot.]]

** [[spoiler: Jossed. The Screen Slaver doesn't have powers.]]

* [[spoiler: Jossed. He's still a kid in the sequel.]]

In the short WesternAnimation/JackJackAttack Kari actually plays Mozart with her beliefs that it could make the babies smart and give Jack-Jack an extra push to unlimited potential. Once the music starts Jack-Jack's reaction indicates that he actually got something activated on his mind, and then aftewards he quickly develops his by then hidden superpowers. So Kari's mental stymulation theories amusingly enough were correct indeed and gave the baby an etra push to develop his potential...[[BadlyBatteredBabysitter with amusing unintended concequences.]]

Jossed: [[spoiler:Syndrome is more likely than not dead, considering how he got pulled in the same way as Stratogale and his jet blew up with him likely still being shredded by the jet turbines, he's definitely dead by the [[WesternAnimation/Incredibles2 second movie.]]

* Well, since Incredibles is basically a by any other name Watchmen, with Helen and Violet taking the same plot roles and character dynamics of Silk Spectre I and II, the obvious choice for Violet's real father is the Comedian analogue, Gazerbeam.

* [[CriticalResearchFailure Aside from the aforementioned point that this was made BEFORE "Civil War"]], what the HELL does [[Creator/DCComics Superman]] have to do with [[Creator/MarvelComics Iron Man]]?!

No physical powers? Check. Ability to make himself superhero through being GadgeteerGenius? Check. Flying through rocket system? Check. Opposes Supers? Check. Attacked Mr. Incredible, a {{Superman}} Ersatz? double check.

Mostly but not entirely copied from my original entry on the Headscratchers page: His powers at the end, with enough {{Rules Lawyer}}ing, can explain everything in "Jack-Jack Attack". The EyeBeams and PlayingWithFire can have the same sources, if the former is just a very focused expression of the latter (emitting heat and light). The floating and walking on the ceiling are neutral and negative buoyancy, whereas the Heavy Jack-Jack at the end was a combination of shapeshifting and positive buoyancy. Going through the walls can be explained by many of the things that allow density change, such as if he has the single overall power of being able to change local matter (that is, his body) to energy and back, while affecting the way it is stored or used. If he has some way of containing heat or kinetic energy, or can adjust the stored energy to mass ratio by even a small amount (extra bonds instead of simple particles, etc.), he's probably been storing up extra environmental energy since his power first activated. Dash almost definitely has some energy-related powers, and Violet's shields are energy-based as well, so it's not unprecedented (although if I try to bring Superpower Genetics into this without Mr. Incredible having some sort of [[{{Superman}} tactile telekinesis]], I'd end up saying that all supers' powers are moving energy around in their own special way, which is true for all life as we define it).

* If it was, it becomes HilariousInHindsight, now Disney owns Creator/MarvelComics. (For those not in the know, {{Superman}} is owned by Creator/DCComics, Marvel's biggest competition).

** Considering how Buddy indirectly caused Supers from getting banned, it's easy to see how someone could trace the ban all back to him. Hell, if Buddy stuck around with Mr. Incredible, Mr. Incredible while upset, angry and distraut over being made illegal might lose it and start to blame ''Buddy'', which would be an alternate starting point for his FreudianExcuse.

* Oddly enough the real world lends this credence. Lots of people have survived close encounters with jet engines either by getting snagged on other parts near the intake or depending on the model simply surviving the initial impact. After all a Jet Engine is not built to operate like a giant blender, it's meant to move air at high speeds and when objects do get pulled inside they usually break the Engine.

[[WMG: Syndrome is a homage on ComicBook/IronMan during the ComicBook/CivilWar.]]

[[WMG: In the future Dash will marry an older version of [[WesternAnimation/{{Bolt}} Penny.]]]]

Let's take a look at the evidence: Edna made it obvious in her first appearance that she was dreadfully bored of designing outfits for "Super" models, and instead wanted to go back to designing outfits for superheroes. She makes mention that Mr. Incredible's suit would be ready "before his next assignment." How would she know about that? And then, when we look at Syndrome's costume, it's obvious that it's the same kind of super suit that the other supers wear. Where else would Syndrome go but the best designer for super suits - Edna Mode. That's why his suit had a cape - she made a fatal design flaw in his suit, ensuring that the bad guy wouldn't win. She knew about the whole thing, and was able to pull just the right strings to rework his plan against him... just so she could get back to designing outfits for Supers.
** Why would she stand by while other Supers she knew and probably designed outfits for were killed? She's eccentric not evil.

Since it's certainly one of the many films from the 2000s that had a very dark and genuinely intense, adult edge, it would fit right in sharing the same universe as many other action IPs, both animated and live action.

[[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles]] is set in an action shared universe.]]

[[Kari's methods of mental stimulation [[TheCuckooLanderWasRight did work after all,]] [[GoneHorriblyRight probably a bit too well.]]]]