See also the page for Tangled: The Series.
- Suddenly, Gothel's motives for keeping Rapunzel become much darker. It probably also explains her trips away from the tower, she's searching for the Moon Stone.
- And this might be exactly the reason why mother Gothel kidnapped the girl and tried to isolate her from the world... Too much power, too little ethical control. Think nuclear weapons in XVIII century. Living nuclear weapons. Sure, she wanted to love forever, but she also didn't want the world she is living in to go up in flame. And living long enough that she did, she understood that this scenario is all too possible...
- Or she was just a selfish Control Freak who wanted to exploit Rapunzel and her abilities for herself. Let's not dive too far into Draco in Leather Pants here.
- Mother Gothel was an old woman who had her life support equipment stolen by the richest and most powerful family in the land. It doesn't seem completely wrong for her to steal it back.
Mako and Bolin, because it's just too cool to not be true. Bolin has Rapunzel's ability to keep smiling despite an unhappy childhood, and Mako dose look a bit like Eugene. According to a meme, he's also apparently inherited the Smolder. (The link would have been here but the URL was too bloody long, just search Google images if you want.) Also, behold their shared preference for free-spirited brunets who just happen to be the spirits of the sun and earth, respectively.
- WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT?
- Me, that's who.
- WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT?
- Also see Tangled - Analysis for further exploration of the Crown representing virginity.
Not to mention the scene where the Stabbington brothers encounter Rapunzel and try to capture her. The ominous atmosphere made it seem more like they were trying to rape her. This adds a even creepier factor to the Stabbington Brothers' "We want her" line. It's already pretty misinterpretable, but they want her 'magic hair', when they first wanted the 'crown'.
- Miguel? Innocent?
- He would be if he'd been locked in a tower most of his life; as it is, he's still got the sweet disposition.
- Just because they're his parents doesn't mean he's not an orphan. Tulio and Chel were just dead.
- Maybe's Chel was dead (from smallpox unknowningly given to her from Tulio and Miguel), and Tulio had been in jail and unable to raise his son.
- He's a descendent of both of them, but not in that way. Tulio and Chell had a daughter; Miguel met another woman... somewhere in that wilderness, and had a son with her. Their kids hooked up. The child of that line is a direct ancestor to Flynn.
- Miguel: "You fight like my sister!"
Tulio: "I fought your sister. That's a compliment."- Even more with when it was translated to...
"I fought your sister, and I used my best sword!"
- Altivo means "supreme" and Maximus means "greatest".
- They look really really similar.
Flynn's real name is Greek for "Born to Royalty," but he is raised in an orphanage.
The film never suggests that he is a prince, although who knows with Flynn Rider!
- "Fitzhurbert" means bastard son of Hurbert, right? Well, what about that King in Sleeping Beauty? Philip's father? His name was Hurbert!
- Wow, so Eugene is related to Philip? He's Philip's bastard brother, so that would mean...
- Also remember that Phillip's mother is nowhere in Sleeping Beauty. Flynn's mother may have been a consort of the court.
- Philip's father is King Hubert, not Herburt.
- Alternatively- Eugene's biological father was a Westergard.
- He does look vaguely like Prince Hans, and we know they exist in the same universe. (And the size of that particular family is somewhat notorious.)
- Beside "Eugene" just means "good birth" — the "eu-" is like the "u-" in "utopia" or "good place." (Gene, of course, means birth.)
- No. Utopia means "non-place", not "good place".
- Actually, it's a pun. It means both.
- It could also be a cruel joke at his expense, as in, being illegitimate, hes the opposite of 'well-born'.
- No. Utopia means "non-place", not "good place".
Which leads to the conclusion:
- It could be why he finds his own backstory so miserable he doesn't even want to bring it up for pathos: either...
- his mother isn't dead, but circumstances meant that she couldn't marry his father when she got pregnant, so she left him in an orphanage and disappeared in hope of avoiding the stigma of being an unmarried mother AND/OR
- His father is alive but wanted nothing to do with his mother once she got pregnant- either she was too far below him to consider marrying or he was already married anyway- either way the baby's existence was just embarrassing- if Flynn's mother did die his father still just wanted to erase his existance
- which would explain why Flynn feels no compunction about stealing from the rich and powerful seeing as a rich powerful guy treated him so appallingly simply on grounds of status- Flynn feels like he owes the whole world nothing and those in power even less.
- This fits somewhat well with the observation that, according to traditional naming patterns, the affix "Fitz-" on his real last name marks him as an illegitimate child. His father saw him as an embarrassment and refused to support him or be associated with him in any way, and his mother lacked the means to support him on her own, so he was dumped in an orphanage.
- Look at the◊ city◊ itself◊! The architecture, the surrounding landscape of mountains and lake and rivers, the boats.
- Her appearance is exactly what you would get from a descendant of Garnet and Zidane, and her personality combines his cheerful enthusiasm and sense of adventure with her staunch responsibility and innocent outlook, plus their mutual charisma and leadership skills. Her healing powers manifested so strongly because healing was already in her blood.
- The transparent crystals in her tiara are a resetting of the Alexandrian Royal Pendant◊, possibly after some kind of damage that split the original enormous crystal into pieces.
- It also explains why her parents don't mind her falling in love with a common thief, let alone marrying one. It's practically a family tradition.
Why name the movie after the Princess when it could as easily be considered Flynn's story? So they re-named the film to be more ambiguous about the character focus.
- This is true, according to Wordof God–the movie is about the two getting "tangled" with each other, not just about one or the other. (In some overseas markets, it's known as "The Princess and the Thief".)
- The name change was also to be more gender-neutral. It's possible the filmakers thought that naming the film after either Rapunzel or Flynn might alienate either young boys or young girls, which is why the name is what it is. Much of the early marketing focused on Flynn, but it's still a Disney Princess movie.
- The kingdom has clearly stumbled upon the secret to lighter-than-air flight with those floating lanterns.
- Sky Lanterns were invented in the 3rd century BC. The kingdom of Corona must have appropriated them from China.
- There's a map of the world in one scene showing that this takes place on Earth. But the kingdom in the movie doesn't exist. Therefore, this is an Alternate Timeline.
- Given the presence of lighter than air travel and alternate history, it's inevitable that Rapunzel and Flynn will conquer Europe with a fleet of flying war zepplins.
Also, the castle of Rapunzel's parents is similar in design of The Beast's enchanted castle in Beauty and the Beast.
Word of God set Tangled in 1780. In Real Life, Belle and Adam would be at least grandparents by then. Maybe Rapunzel's mother married into the Kingdom of Corona.
- Small amount of Generation Xerox, there: they were both destined to sing I Want Songs as dandelion seeds fluttered about their heads!
- It's confirmed that Belle and Rapunzel are natural brunettes. Perhaps Rapunzel's biological mother was Belle's granddaughter. Brown hair is dominant; green eyes are recessive. Thus, Rapunzel may be related to Belle in some way..
- From the looks of it, those clothes look like early to mid-1700s, while Belle's dress looks kind of late 1700s (then again, I'm not entirely sure), is it possible they could be ancestors?
- That makes sense! Just compare the Prince's nose and bridge here◊ to Flynn's in this◊ Wanted poster- the resemblance is uncanny!
- but Beauty and the Beast is clearly established to be set in France. and not only that, If Tangled is set in 1780, then it's a land clearly set in Medieval Stasis, while Beauty and the Beast appears to be consistent more or less with the 17th or 18th century. Also, Gaston uses a gun, Corona's royal guards use swords and bow and arrows.
- Beauty and the Beast is probably early 1700s based on the architecture and when the original book was published. Corona might be a minor state in the Holy Roman Empire (as in it's literally everything within a day's walk of the castle and nothing else) which retains a ceremonial guard but hasn't bothered updating it with guns due to being tucked away in a relatively peaceful bit of the Empire. Given the title of King, it's likely that it's a reasonably prestigious place, but just isn't very powerful- the perfect family for the daughter of an outcast fils de France and his commoner wife to marry into. It also helps explain why marrying a commoner is so quickly accepted by the Royal Family.
Obviously, she turned into an old woman. She survived the fall from the cliff, which turned out to be the same cliff where the flower was. If you look closely at the beginning of the movie, you'll see a large, spherical rock just like the one that was supposed to have crushed her. That was how she survived! With a magical flower to worry about, she didn't need to worry about Snow White's beauty, hence the happy ending (or middle).
The evil queen got distracted like that because she had something that made her more beautiful than Snow White.
- So she waited it out for a couple short decades before returning to the spotlight in a slightly different role? Nice choice.
- The Evil Queen's real name is apparently Grimhilde... well, both names start with a G.
- Both Snow White and Rapunzel are considered to be taking place in Germany, so it fits nicely geographically
- Both movies end with her falling off a high place at the end - in Snow White from a cliff (which she survived according to this theory) and in Rapunzel from the tower (though she was already turning into dust at that time because of the broken spell).
- This would also hugely elevate the significance of the mirror being broken at the end.
- And how apples are a recurring theme in Tangled. Rapunzel has a basket of apples (no other fruit, just apples - that's the only fruit we see in the movie) in her tower and Mother Gothel almost takes a bite out of one. Even Maximus is only seen eating / has a thing for apples, while stereotypically horses' favorite food is always carrots. When Flynn's narrating how the story ends and says "and all the apples disappeared", this can even be taken as a metaphor for "and evil disappeared" - the apple being the main instrument of Grimhilde/Gothel's evilness in Snow White.
- It also makes sense for other reasons, if one thinks about it. If they're the same person, Gothel wouldn't need to take out Snow White because time would do it for her. Snow White kept her mortality while Gothel didn't, she'd grow old and lose her beauty while she kept restoring her own and she'd outlive Snow White as well. It also puts an intresting spin on Gothel's kidnapping of Rapunzel, if you think about it. After the King and Queen died, Gothel could come forwards with the 'missing princess' and regain the power she once had as a queen through Rapunzel. After all, Gothel could claim that she found Rapunzel after she was kidnapped and hid it from her because she didn't know who her real family is and didn't want to hurt her. So this is actually a quite effective theory that works on many levels.
- If this is true, it's very possible that Rapunzel is thus a descendant of Snow White, since Snow married a prince and presumably became queen. That could be one reason for her emotional abuse.
- Also the reason Rapunzel can naturally charm animals and people.
- Or Flynn DID his head hard and it wasn't healed by Rapunzel - but as they say, slaps on the backhead increase thinking abilities. Maybe all these hits set some cogs and screws right - right enough so the Character Development triggered by Rapunzel could kick in.
- Alternatively: the healing itself had a more profound effect on Flynn than just mending physical injuries.
- Sufficient emotional stress, especially in childhood, leaves literal damage on the brain that has a permanent effect on the subject's emotions and behavior. It's more or less confirmed that young Eugene had a horrible childhood in some way other other (whatever happened he's very resistant to talking about it, even to Rapunzel who he has probably realised has been emotionally abused herself even if she's not worked it out yet)- either he was very unhappy in the orphanage and/or the circumstances of his being there were distressing- and Flynn's fairly amoral, detached character early in the film could have been developed as a direct result of damage to how he functions emotionally and socially (being detached from social norms and from bonding with others.) Perhaps the fact that Rapunzel changed all that is down to the way her magic 'heals what has been hurt' on a deeper level than either of them realise- it might not take obvious effect straight away but it puts him right enough to be capable of feeling things that he just couldn't before.
- The hair was never the source of her power, only the most obvious manifestation of it.
- Or perhaps, when channeled through the hair the magic was easier to use but less potent- sing a song and you can heal light wounds or temporarily restore youth- but when channeled through her tears it is strong enough to restore life but requires The Power of Love to activate.
- Damn, you beat me to it.
- OTOH, the resurrection sequence does have something of a note of finality about it. It's more powerful and more elaborate than any previous invocation of the flower's magic (it brought someone back from the dead rather than just heal, after all), it recapitulated the flower's history, growing from a droplet of fluid, sprouting into a plant, flowering, then dissolving, finally disappearing into fading light. It certainly could be interpreted as the last manifestation of the magic on this earth, before returning to the sunlight from whence it came.
- Then again, if the magic channels itself into the nearest outlet, couldn't Rapunzel sing the song and then like... lick people? Because if it worked through her tears, it should work through her spit. AND, since the spit would be separated from her right away and still work (like the tear did) then in theory she could sell bottles of magical healing spit. Or like... other bodily fluids. Because hair is just excreted waste product... ok this is getting a little gross... MAGICAL POOP
- Or, less disgustingly but also really only usable for some patients (not counting Unfortunate Implications), Intimate Healing.
- Borrowing from tropers on the Headscratchers page, I'm inclined to think that the teardrop was the very same liquid drop of sunlight that fell from the heavens to create the magic flower. Filtered through a human (or botanical) medium, its power is limited: healing wounds, curing illness, temporarily reversing age. In its raw form, however, it's capable of bringing people Back from the Dead. Unfortunately, this means you can only use it once. Although the idea of Rapunzel singing and then licking people with glowing saliva is hilarious.
- This is officially my personal canon.
- Jerry Beck once said, "You know those scenes in the first 10 minutes from Enchanted? Those are this film!"
- Isn't that canon?
- Even if you presume said tear was supercharged by The Power of Love, the overall residual effects means that Princess/Queen Rapunzel will tend to heal quickly and age rather slowly.
- Would explain why she looks a lot younger than 18.
- Rapunzel's tears can cure cancer. Thankfully, she's compassionate. Unlike one certain Memetic Badass.
- This is the only way that Mother Gothel could be eternally young and beautiful. Think about it, if Flynn never came, if Rapunzel never made that journey to the kingdom, then she would have stayed in the tower for the rest of her life, presumably. Now, if Rapunzel was mortal, she would grow old and eventually die, and the youth-restoring power of her hair would die with her, as well as Mother Gothel. So, Rapunzel has to be immortal. I mean, the flower survived for hundreds of years...
- Alternately, Rapunzel is immortal until she has a child; then, like the flower's healing magic passed from her mother to her, it'll end up in her child. Hopefully she won't start dying as soon as she had a child...
- Probably would not be a problem unless she waits until she's chronologically several hundred years old before having said child. (Which as of the end of the movie, doesn't seem that likely).
- More likely once she had the child she would then begin aging normally from that day on.
- She could. But if her child is a nice one, …I think said child would de-age her mother. And if this child has a child, then Rapunzel's grandson/granddaughter would de-age both his/her mother, his/her father, his/her grandmother and his/her grandfather. Because, do you really think that if you have the power fo giving eternal youth to people and that you are a nice person, you would let you mummy dying ? Hmmmmmm ? But I think they won't do it the same way as Mother Gothel wanted Rapunzel to do to her (instead of giving them the same age back everyday by using the spell everyday, they more likely would use it once a year…)
- In true WMG spirit, I therefore propose that Wolverine is her descendant.
- Alternately, she just ages really, really slowly and/or can use her hair to de-age herself as well.
- Why Jim Hawkins? I'm mad that I can't ship her with Aladdin.
- Because let's face it, he's the sexiest Disney hero ever.
- That's because he's got all the best parts of Aladdin and Prince Naveen rolled into one, all topped off with facial hair. Unf.
- Pfffft, if that's the case, Disney seriously underestimated YouTubers' crossover Crack Pairing Fan Vid-editing abilities.
- I originally had Flynn/Eugene pegged as a Night Caste, myself. And musical numbers as Social Combat? I gotta try that if I ever get into a game of Exalted...
- "Mother Knows Best" were Gothel's attempts at Villainous Monologue Rant and she was able to cause Rapunzel's faith in Flynn to fail so quickly with Invidious Rumours Campaign (thereby making her an Abyssal Exalt), while "I've Got A Dream" is Rapunzel making use of Husband-Seducing Demon Dance. Rapunzel knowing how to dance jigs and reels as well as not being socially retarded from having only ever met one person and a chameleon in her life can be put down to her Mastery of Small Manners and naturally high Performance. It's perfect!
- Ever since I read this WMG, I've been imagining the other Disney Princesses as Exalts... Mulan is obviously a Dawn Solar, and the bookish Belle a Twilight Solar.
- And Ariel is a Changing Moon Lunar, or possibly a beastperson, or a chimera... there's a lot of possibilities.
- This actually makes sense. We already know that Flynn is an Unreliable Narrator; assuming that he "played with the facts" while retelling the events would explain several of the plot holes and unexplained events in the story.
- Actually, if I recall correctly, the horse in Mulan was black and white. Although, it could still be the same horse, considering they did behave seriously alike.
- Mulan's horse was black and white. Shang's was white, and actually more serious and important than Mulan's.
- He's an actor under contract at Disney!
- Well, he has done some work with Dreamworks...
- Hi ho Silver! Away!
- Sounds like a Miracle to me.
- Alternatively, all these horses are descendants of Pegasus.
- No, all these horses are Pegasus. Hear me out; he's immortal (presumably), so after Hercules died he begins to be hunted by humans for his wings. He goes to the gods and asks them to remove his wings so he can walk safely among mortals. Add some darker mane-dye and Pegasus becomes a regular, imortal horse. That's also the reason he trusted Rapunzel so quickly - he had lived among the gods before, and either knew about the magic drop of sunlight or recognized the power of the gods in the girl.
- Hercules, semi-god, dying ? Did I hear that ? Impossible.
- I thought he became mortal at the end of that movie.
- No, all these horses are Pegasus. Hear me out; he's immortal (presumably), so after Hercules died he begins to be hunted by humans for his wings. He goes to the gods and asks them to remove his wings so he can walk safely among mortals. Add some darker mane-dye and Pegasus becomes a regular, imortal horse. That's also the reason he trusted Rapunzel so quickly - he had lived among the gods before, and either knew about the magic drop of sunlight or recognized the power of the gods in the girl.
- Said horse is a Time Lord.
- In fact, Flynn refers to Maximus as a "bad horse" at one point. He got his supervillain handle from the man who caused his supervillainy.
- But Bad Horse is brown. Did he dye his coat or did it change color like Rapunzel's hair?
- Alternately, pairing this with the immortal Maximus theory above, Maximus and Bad Horse are eternal foes. They have been locked in combat since the beginning of time, fighting for the honor of Equus ferus caballus. Maximus represents law and order, the ultimate, objective good which all horses should strive for. Bad Horse... well, is the Thoroughbred of Sin. At Armageddon, after the Horsemen of the Apocalypse have ravaged the earth, Maximus and Bad Horse will fight hoof-to-hoof in their Final Battle.
- This is why he's here! Don't let him deceive you! Give it to him, watch! You'll see!Trust me my dear! That's how fast he'll leave you! I won't say I told you so!
- Hmm... fascinating Alternative Character Interpretation for Gothel, it's very logical and within the context of the film, it makes a lot of sense. It also adds another new nuance to Gothel and Rapunzel's relationship: Gothel never wanted her to leave the tower - to meet a man - because she fears that her "adopted" daughter might find someone like Flynn/Eugene and have her heart broken like Gothel's might have been.
- This is actually much closer to the original fairytale. Sounds like a good idea. Of course, her love is clearly grossly misguided, but then, it doesn't really look like she's ever had a chance to have someone who loves her back. Of course, she's still really in it for the hair and immortality; that's just a side effect.
- OK, here is where I disagree with the whole "Gothel twuwy wuvs Rapunzel!" interpretation: Take everything Gothel did, kidnapping, psychologically torturing Rapunzel, keeping her locked up in a tower for 18 years and using her body for her own personal gain, making her fear every human who wasn't her and telling her if she leaves they both will die. If Gothel was a MAN would this alternate interpretation even EXIST?
- Sadly, yes.
- That's a really great idea, and in general I agree, except you're assuming that a male Goethel would be sexually abusive and not making her sing to activate her magic hair, just because he'd be male, so way to call the kettle black, pot. Men are entirely capable of being emotionally abusive without also being rapists, y'know.
- Also, consider the situation where both Gothel and Rapunzel were male characters. One can easily imagine this particular interpretation existing in that case.
- Nope, but it does raise another Alternate Character Interpretation that I was hoping nobody would bring up... By the way, Rapunzel's deal about how we'll be together forever, just like you want, if you let me save him, invokes the Scarpia Ultimatum. Thus, killing Flynn was a Xanatos Gambit by Gothel to get Rapunzel to do such a thing because dragging her around the world in chains for eternity would have been very tedious, but at the very least Flynn wouldn't be around to make it worse.
- You mean it was a Batman Gambit, as she died and Flynn survived, it made Gothel look like a fool.
- Flyn took a third option that neither of them considered.
- I think Gothel does love Rapunzel, but it's not motherly love (though Gothel may have deluded herself into thinking it is). It's the same kind of detached love a spoiled child (or adult) might show a family pet. She wants Rapunzel to be happy, but only under Gothel's terms, and at Gothel's convenience.
- She actually calls Rapunzel "pet" in her villain song. And all those things in the tower she's presumably given Rapunzel over the years to keep her occupied (the paints, books, etc)? That's enrichment - like brightly colored hamster balls, for example - which people give to caged pets.
- The three books Rapunzel gets to read (over and over) are about botany, geology, and cooking. Things that can be broken down into small, easily controlled bits—a potted plant, a pretty rock, some new ingredients—and doled out to Rapunzel as Gothel sees fit. She has apparently rotated other books in and out of the lineup, because Rapunzel knows enough astronomy to have charted the tiny slice of sky visible from her tower and enough mathematics to have named her animal friend Pascal. Again, things that can be doled out in small measure without ever letting Rapunzel leave the tower. Enrichment.
- The very fact that Gothel kept Rapunzel in the tower for eighteen years rather than reconsidering her actions and returning her to her rightful family suggests that if Gothel did love Rapunzel (and let's face it, considering the emotional abuse Gothel piled onto Rapunzel on top of this, that's a pretty big 'if'), then it's a very unhealthy, controlling and selfish form of love. Let's not forget that whether Gothel loved Rapunzel or not, she wasn't Rapunzel's mother and so had no right either to keep her or expect her affections in return; certainly, the manner in which she expressed said 'love' certainly doesn't excuse or redeem her actions. Love isn't always a good or healthy thing.
- Everything that you say is absolutely right, but, you say that Gothel "wasn't Rapunzel's mother and so had no right" to Rapunzel's custody or affections. Please allow me to introduce you to Happily Adopted. It happens. Just not in this movie.
- Absolutely true, but where did anything in the above comment suggest that adoptive mothers have less right to be considered mothers than birth mothers, as you seem to be implying? If I'd had said 'Gothel is not Rapunzel's birth mother' or something similar you'd have a point, but I didn't say anything like that. I didn't even mention adoption, and the fact is that adoption's got nothing to do with this; Gothel kidnapped Rapunzel. She's not Rapunzel's (rightful) mother under any circumstances, birth, adoptive or otherwise, and so has no right at all to consider herself or expect Rapunzel to treat her as such. Adoption, happy or otherwise, has nothing to do with any of this.
- Everything that you say is absolutely right, but, you say that Gothel "wasn't Rapunzel's mother and so had no right" to Rapunzel's custody or affections. Please allow me to introduce you to Happily Adopted. It happens. Just not in this movie.
- I think the best way to look at this would be to transfer it to modern times (sadly, not hard). Imagine a woman who kidnaps a girl and keeps her locked in the basement. Yes, she raises her and takes care of her (feeds her, clothes her), but she also spends most of her time emotionally abusing her. Would you say that this woman loves this girl? Or would you say she's disturbed and selfish?
- I would say that she was disturbed and selfish, and in definite need of therapy...but also that, from her perspective, she believes that she loves the girl, even if it is a very twisted and unhealthy form of love. More likely, it's a desire to be needed manifesting through behaviour anyone would describe as deranged.
- Now imagine the woman obtains some rare and valuable resource from the girl...perhaps a very unusual body chemistry that makes small blood samples from her worth really big bucks to pharmaceutical companies. It doesn't do the girl any lasting hurt to take the samples, but the woman did, indeed, know about the resource before she kidnapped the child, and takes pains to make certain no one else knows about the girl and to scare the girl from ever leaving. Now would you believe the woman acted from deranged need...or from a knowing and practical desire to control the resource she benefits from?
- Another thought experiment: Imagine Mother Gothel being pretty much the same character, still a woman, doing and saying all the same things, acting and sounding exactly the way she does throughout the movie...but imagine her being as fat as Ursula. ...Something tells me that 99% of her apologists would vanish like snow in the tropics.
- Disney appears to have done everything possible to make Gothel have no legitimate claim on Rapunzel. They changed the story from deal to kidnapping and the flower's taking from clear theft to the father having no possible way of knowing the flower was claimed. They made Gothel emotionally abusive, manipulative, and controlling. Still, people sympathize with her. *sigh*
- A good theory, although it's worth noting that Flynn did take the trouble throughout the day to make sure no guards noticed him.
- He probably doesn't know about the amnesty thing and was taking risks.
- Another possibility was The Pardon was issued for saving the prince consort and so, indirectly, the princess.
- The Sundrop is physically fragile, can't regenerate, and conducts magic rather poorly. This is brilliant!
- Alternatively, Eugene could be one of Ezio's many, many, MANY bastard sons he's produced due to a life of sexual promiscuity.
-While not necessarily BEING Ezio, Flynn's design is most likely based on him. According to the special features on the DVD, the animators hosted a "hot man meeting" to finalize Flynn's character design around the time production began, and invited several female employees to give input. Now, a room full of nerdy, female Disney employees basically dictated how Flynn would look. I wonder what game had just been released and they were probably all playing at the time? Assassin's Creed II. This is based on an estimate that animation began in 2009, however the full production fits within the time frames of Assassin's Creed I and Prince of Persia, both featuring protagonists that Flynn shares a plethora of characteristics with. If it weren't for Ubisoft and their fangirls, we wouldn't have the current Flynn Rider!
- Whedon got it wrong.
- I think this is confirmed and a message of the film—the power was in her heart the whole time.
On this note, further wmging is required, and thus I posit that Eugene's real father was one of the men who picked up the Flynn Rider persona. Using this persona, he seduced a woman, and she bore his son without telling him about it, instead placing the son in an orphanage, and donating a copy of a Flynn Rider book to said orphanage so her son would be able to read about "his" father when he grew up. Because it was 'his' book of sorts, Eugene grew up reading it, and when it was time to reinvent himself, he inadvertently named himself after his fathernote .
- He certainly has the sarcasm down.
- Rapunzel did.
- But... it only didn't work because she sang half the song?
- She only sung the first two lines of the song when she and Flynn were stuck in that cave, and her hair still lit up.
- If the hair didn't lose its healing power, why did Gothel crumble to dust?
- But... it only didn't work because she sang half the song?
- WRONG! The Princess and the Frog happens in 1926, while Tangled takes place in the 1780's according to Word of God.
- Mama Odie is 100+ years old and could've easily be descended from Rapunzel if the time's the concern.
- Mama Odie claims to be "a 197 year old blind lady", meaning that she would have been born in 1729.
- Mama Odie is 100+ years old and could've easily be descended from Rapunzel if the time's the concern.
- Note that whenever Gothel sings the song, she doesn't even sing the "heal what has been hurt" bit.
- And this could also be a possible explanation for what happens to her in the end. She's actually been abusing the flower's powers all those centuries, by using it to extend life rather than heal. Note that Flynn's injured left hand did not reopen after the hair was cut.
- And the queen didn't die. But, no one sang anything when the queen was healed, she just drank magic flower tea. Does that mean that eating Rapunzel's hair would heal you just as well?
- And this could also be a possible explanation for what happens to her in the end. She's actually been abusing the flower's powers all those centuries, by using it to extend life rather than heal. Note that Flynn's injured left hand did not reopen after the hair was cut.
- Think about it.
- Zeus knew that the queen was going to be sick,so he sent the drop of sunlight and made it turn into a flower,and sent Mother Gothel to take care of it. He just wasn't planning on her becoming greedy and wanting it for herself,so when the queen eventually did get sick and mother Gothel tried to hide the flower from the searchers,the High Council knocked over the bush that was hiding it allowing the search party to find it. Years later they led Flynn/Eugene to the tower,they were the reason Rapunzel remembered everything, how Maximus assembled the thugs from the snuggly duckling and they gave Eugene that last bit of strength to cut off Rapunzel's hair in the climax.
- Even better: Pascal was Zeus's special agent in that kingdom, sent to Rapunzel at a young age to be her confidant and constant guardian as well as giving the occasional prod to leave the tower. That's why everyone respected him so well, especially Maximus. Zeus's men are well known, and seeing Pascal the stare master calmed him down in his 3rd confrontation with Flynn.
- Wouldn't it make more sense if he was really a dog? Just look at his behavior!
- How is this a Fourth-Date Marriage? The movie explicitly states they got married YEARS later.
- In Tangled Ever After it doesn't look like it. Actually, since Rapunzel's hair not only hasn't grown, but they didn't even fixed her haircut, it looks like has passed days, if not hours. After all, Flynn is an Unreliable Narrator, remember?
- But doesn't her hair just not grow after it's been cut? She had that one tiny lock of brown hair hidden by all the magic blonde hair before Flynn cut it and I remember her saying that it doesn't grow. As for the not fixing it, it doesn't look bad, so maybe she decided it had character or she decided to keep it like that as a reminder for how Flynn saved her or a little bit of both. Also, I know they're royalty, but there's no way they organized and executed such a huge wedding, got the wedding party event-appropriate clothes and got all those guests to show up in just hours. Besides, if I had just gotten back my long-lost daughter, no way in hell would I let her get married to a known thief just hours (or even days) later, much less throw such a lavish wedding.
- The kids who braided Rapunzel's hair in the kingdom dance were still kids in the wedding. That's the concrete proof the wedding takes place pretty soon after the movie.
- In Tangled Ever After it doesn't look like it. Actually, since Rapunzel's hair not only hasn't grown, but they didn't even fixed her haircut, it looks like has passed days, if not hours. After all, Flynn is an Unreliable Narrator, remember?
- Rapunzel, who has been, up until that point, holding up her illustrations, finally cuts in at the end.
- That's adorable, I demand fanart.
- And then they adopt an orphan, given Flynn's past and (possibly) fears that Rapunzel will fall ill while pregnant, as her mother did.
- It also explains this bit at the beginning:Flynn: [Gravely] This... is the story of how I died.
[Sad, frightened and confused looks from the kids]
Flynn: ['Hasty backtracking'] Don't worry! It's actually quite a fun story!
- The DNA is fully formed when the sperm cell fertilizes an ovum.
- Rapunzel is portrayed as a painter in both versions, and it even serves as a plot point in both films.
- The costumes. In both films, the heroine generally wears a simple pink frock, and later replaces it with a regal lavender dress. Flynn's costume also resembles the prince's outfit in the Barbie version.
- Both films have a reptile for a sidekick (chameleon/dragon)
- Both films have Rapunzel be a princess by birth; she is a peasant girl in the traditional story.
- Both films are produced in 3-D animation.
- A festival/ball serves an important role in both stories.
- Hmmm, good points! And all very interesting too, because I've been wanting to put on the Shoutouts page for Tangled that an artistic Rapunzel is reminiscent of the Barbie version, since it was commented about on IMDB at the forums. And those similarities are quite obvious when you think about it. Barbie and Disney, who knew, right? ^^
- I support this WMG. Also: both are blonde and get haircuts by the end of the movie, and there's a snarky white mammal who helps Rapunzel (rabbit & horse). Plus the importance of honesty and keeping promises are critical to the movies' climaxes.
Second, if it was on purpose, then there has to be a reason it was sent, which implies that the Sun actually is a conscious being(not too far out in a Disney movie). Furthermore this implies that the Sun cares about what happens on the earth. When Rapunzel is born, she essentially has a second daddy!
This leads us onwards to...
- This is a good theory, but one drop falling un-purposefully doesn't mean that more than one drop would necessarily fall. The amount of drops has nothing to do with the purpose (or lack thereof) behind them, so there is no need to mention the possible amount of drops.
- There are lots of solar tears flying all over the place. It's just that most of them hit Mercury and Venus rather than the Earth. And most of the ones that reach Terra fall into the sea.
- There could actually be evidence for this according to the Word of God explanation for Elsa's powers in Frozen: being born a millennium after the previous ice-wielder, and during an alignment of Saturn (which has a moon entirely of ice). Maybe in fact all the celestial bodies in the solar system of the Frozen/Tangled-verse are Physical Gods?
BUT!
Either way, with Rapunzel out of the picture, they're free to start up another game, either in this kingdom or somewhere else. The cycle will repeat again...
The question is: did Maximus Choose Rapunzel, Flynn, or is he still waiting for another Chosen? He became "tame" for Rapunzel, but it was Flynn that he was pursuing the entire movie, and Flynn who he directly came to rescue when both were in trouble. Regardless of which one he Chose, this would help explain how Rapunzel was so readily accepted as the lost princess and how Flynn's crimes were completely forgotten—a Companion vouching for them would go a long way.
- In the Snuggly Duckling, we see a man cooking a pot of chameleons, and in the beginning, we see a chameleon on the mobile above Rapunzel's crib, implying that chameleons could be common in the area.
- Even 'that' hair, you say? Does it also mean that her menstrual blood and piss also become magic in "process"? Also, why do I even think about that?
- Well, you could tell whether that hair is/was magical too by whether the carpet matched/s the curtains (blonde or brunette). But let's just not go there for an animated character.
- LOL probably not the pee and blood part I guess. It would cause some logistical problems of her never being able to actually have her period because her hair would heal her bleeding.
- LOL no way, the flower only "'heals what has been hurt" and menstruation is the healthy norm for any woman at least between 16-45 years old. Only NOT menstruating at that age is a sign something's wrong physically and needs to be healed, and would activate the flower.
- On second thought, Rapunzel's hair is NOT magic unless she's singing her song (the tear came out right after she sang a verse) so unless she was singing on the toilet, that problem wouldn't arise. This is a very gross WMG
- On a related note, if this were true, that would also mean Rapunzel would never have to worry about whether she would have the same problems during pregnancy as her mother did, because she could never get pregnant. (No period=no ability to have children.) Thus leading to the idea of her and Flynn adopting orphans raised above. (Or would she perpetually be able to have children, because the no menstruation would mean her eggs would never die and her womb lining would never deteriorate?)
- ...Can I run for brain bleach now?
- I see your WMG, and raise you one. Jack is descended from Flynn and Rapunzel, and somehow, as stated above, also Miguel and Tulio. Because it's a WMG and I said so.
- Alternatively, Flynn Rider IS Jack Harkness. When he travelled back in time, he had some adventures while waiting for the Doctor. What's to say this wasn't one of them?
- There was that one piece of hair she showed to Flynn during her explanation that was really short, though. Maybe it's possible that it does grow, only super-slowly?
- Maybe she trims it on occasion so it doesn't stand out against the rest of her hair?
- when you cut a flower, does it change to a dead color right away? also, seeing as Brown is Rapunzel's NATURAL hair color, it would make sense that without magic everything else about it would be natural as well.
- I doubt that the brown lock of hair could have been able to grow very much considering how much growth went into the golden hair.
- Now how did we get My Litle Pony involved in this guess?
- WMG, of course.
- A horse jumping from a rooftop to the ground and not breaking all four legs isn't magic?
- Blade Runner: protagonist finds tiny origami unicorn and realizes that this changes everything.
- Tangled: protagonist finds tiny ceramic unicorn and realizes that this changes everything.
- Given the fact that they're both played by the same guy, and seems that Flynn's got some of Chuck's familiar mannerisms down, it's a likelihood that the Bartowski lineage has some sort of notoriety in it.
- But Chuck's in the present day. Surely, it's the other way around.
- Forte is a Manipulative Bastard and maybe before the spell was put on the Beast's castle, Gothel visited there and gave Forte some pointers on psychological manipulation.
- When Mother Gothel first used the healing flower, she probably got an entire lifetime of life out of it. Of course, being so vain, she probably used it again the moment she saw a gray hair or a wrinkle, wasting all those extra years she would have gotten before needing to use it again. She kept using it over and over for centuries, developing more and more of a tolerance to it (and dependence on it) until by the point of the movie, she can only go a couple hours before she ages from her 20's to her 50's. Gothel is so dependent on the magic just to continue existing that when cut off from it, she rapidly ages into dust. Flynn however, who has only used it once before (for the injured hand), probably gets a whole lifetime when his life is restored, and isn't dependent on it afterwards (still being able to sustain his own life normally).
- Remorselessly stole a child from right under their parents' noses and kept them locked up in a tower all the way until adulthood as well as abusing them emotionally? Yup.
- He is a country-wide known thief. Even if the king would pardon him, the citizens of Corona probably would be not too happy to know their recently returned princess will marry the thief who robbed them. So, to calm them Flynn will have to work. And not only as a symbolic gesture - he will do social service. To any person he ever stole from. After THIS is done the people hopefully made up their mind to him marrying the princess he himself saved.
- She was taken from her parents in her mid-teens, wiped, and given memories only of Gothel, her handler. At the same time her hair was genetically modified for medicinal purposes; Gothel saw the possibilities and kidnapped her. Their repeated exchange - 'I love you very much/ I love you more/ I love you most' - is the trust bond exchange set up between dolls and handlers. Through the film her original persona is reemerging in fits and starts, enabling her to rebel against Gothel and become her own person again.
- At some point in her childhood, she had a bird or squirrel or something, and Gothel found out and either killed it or just made it leave the tower. That's why Rapunzel was so determined not to let Gothel see Pascal.
- The guards see how effective they are in battle, and we see they have started using them themselves. It'd be much harder to defend the kingdom if almost everyone had the same weapon you had in their cupboard. Additionally, even with that license, you're only allowed to own one of them.
- Unless the kingdom has a very narrow definition of the kind of frying pan that is now restricted, that's certainly an enormous thorn in the side of anyone who cooks professionally, and many people who care enough about cooking as a hobby who can afford to have pans dedicated to different uses (at least savory vs. sweet and types of metal, anyway).
- They have no objections to hauling him around when they want him to move faster on the castle rooftop, and it would explain why he is willing to help Rapunzel after the Snuggly Duckling and the subsequent chase, but has no compunctions about abandoning the brothers. He had no scruples about abandoning her until she did something for him, and the brothers never did anything on his behalf.
- I'm amazed that there's anyone who doesn't think this.
- Frozen is usually included as well, since if Rapunzel and Eugene's cameo at Elsa's coronation scene is anything to go by they apparently take place in the same universe.
This, of course, makes it entirely possible that Rapunzel, Gothel and / or Flynn are or somehow became... no, I'm not gonna go there. You can thank me later.
- The part about being related through Elsa and Anna's mother is Jossed by Frozen II.
- Or Rapunzel and Anna. While Anna doesn't have magical powers like Elsa, she and Rapunzel look more alike and have much more in common personality-wise (with their common adorkable-ness and all).
Rapunzel wasn't just going to spend the rest of her life (possibly an eternity) as Gothel's life-extension battery. She planned to cut her own hair immediately after healing Eugene, thus making herself useless to Gothel, thus depriving Gothel of the reason to keep her around. However, Eugene almost ruined everything by cutting her hair before she could heal him, and only a Deus ex machina in the form of the tear saved him.
- Except that she made a promise. Part of her character established earlier is that she always keeps her promises.
- Correction: She promised to stay with Gothel. Not to keep using her hair for her.
- Except she also promised everything would be just the way they were, which means she'd keep healing Mother Gothel.
- Different Troper here. Since Rapunzel promised to "keep everything the same", all she has to do is sing to Gothel. Since Gothel always asked Rapunzel to SING for her, not heal her, Rapunzel would be following through on her promise. Everything is still the same.
- Correction: She promised to stay with Gothel. Not to keep using her hair for her.
If Gothel hadn't picked up the cut hair, she would've been free to live out her life. Or, well, she'd probably be locked up for her crimes, so she wouldn't be "free" in that sense...
- Another possibility: The Tangled version of Rapunzel's story has been carried through Honey Lemon's family for generations, possibly because she'd be descended from Rapunzel and Eugene. She told the tale to Tadashi and that gave him the idea to make a robot with healing abilities.
- Somehow this could work... the way radioactivity usually harms people is by damaging the DNA their cell nucleoli- in large doses it breaks it down and their cells don't regenerate; in small doses the DNA ends up just 'wrong' so the cells do regenerate as a useless mass (a tumour). Nearly all signs of ageing are also caused by cell DNA developing tiny imperfections so that renewal isn't as effective as before.
- Speaking of the Tower, it was Mother Gothel's home before the city of Corona even existed. She built it over her time while she was using the flower to keep her youth. Obviously she sought a hidden grotto as near as possible to the flower. Once it came time to steal the princess, it made a handy bolt-hole, and it would have been too dangerous for a while for her to leave, carrying the sought after princess. And once the princess grew up, moving her probably seemed like too much trouble to be worth the risk.
- Alternatively, they are the 14th and 15th sons. Hans may have had a lot of older brothers, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any younger brothers.
- It would explain Flynn's durability, and how he's able to spring back so fast from getting hit in the head with a frying pan, with no repercussions except for getting knocked out.
- Shares some design elements: ie. The blue color motif and the chin hair.
- In a flashback in an episode of Tangled: the series, Eugene looks exactly the same as he does currently despite the flashback taking place eight years before...when Rapunzel would have been ten.
- Word of God has confirmed that Flynn is 26, which would make him 18 eight years ago.
- Is a thief unlike Flynn Rider from the books sure, but whose to say he wasn't also subconsciously remembering the tricks of an old friend who also happened to be a thief himself.
Corona is generally assumed to be (in) Germany. Mostly because the author of the fairy tale the story is based on, is German. But there is nothing really German about the culture or geography of Corona, and in fact, placing it in Scotland or Ireland would make more sense.
- The song "Kingdom Dance" that Rapunzel dances to in Corona city in the movie, is Source Music (music the characters are hearing In Universe; remember they are dancing to it), and it has a very Celtic sound and instruments. It clearly is Irish or Scottish music.
- Germany has more blond people than Scotland, and Corona has almost no blond characters (Rapunzel doesn't count, as in her case her hair is blond due to magic...). Most Coronans are dark-haired, blue- or green-eyed and fairly pale-skinned. This fits Scotland more.
- In Rapunzel and the Lost Lagoon Corona is described as having many, many bodies of water—to begin with, 212 lakes and 313 miles of coast. Now what country is known for its many lakes? Scotland. Germany also has less coast line.
- In Rapunzel and the Lost Lagoon, the Coronan winter weather is described (this happens in the time skip between Tangled and Tangled: The Series, so wasn't shown on screen) and it's very windy and rainy and with lots of sleet. More fitting of Scottish weather than German, which is more of a land climate.
- See this image from Tangled: The Series, season 2 episode 5. These kind of rock formations don't occur in Germany, but typically there are many of them in Scotland and Ireland.
- Probably a Troubador Calling given her love for songs and art, exuberant spirit, and the ease with which she makes new friends, though she could also be a Grace. Court is more difficult to determine, but I would guess Spades for her love of freedom and slightly unconventional approach to life.
- Her healing powers did not come from her Inner Light, but from the sun magic. Everything else, however (her bursts of absurd strength, being able to survive tumbles and falls that should have seriously hurt her, rapidly making friends with anyone and everyone, etc) is Charms. Moreover, while resurrecting Eugene expended the sun magic, the paths to use it are still in her soul, and she will soon discover that she is able to channel her Inner Light through them.
In Greek myth, Apollo is not only the god of the sun, but of healing, music and poetry as well.
- Given the setting's more north european and Rapunzel is a girl, however, it seems more likely it came from Sunna.