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I've been popping in and out of the Narm pages for a couple of years, and have become increasingly irritated with the level of complaining present. A lot of tropers largely seem to be just using the Narm pages as a platform for complaining about things that don't fit neatly into Dethroning Moment of Suck. For a set of pages that should theoretically involve poking fun at unintentionally funny moments in works, the examples themselves are often remarkably bitter and nitpicky—I know that Narm falls under the Bad Writing Index, but we should try to have at least some humour, even if the writers of the offending shows did not.
This is why I think there needs to be a clean-up of the Narm pages, removing all the complaining and shoehorned examples. I also think that we should ask a moderator to unlock the page with the DarthWiki.Narm namespace and remove the redirect to the Main.Narm page, then delete the former page entirely. This is because I feel that the presence of the sub-pages in the Darth Wiki is subconsciously making tropers believe that they have more freedom to complain than they do in other examples of YMMV tropes.
Existing name for the described phenomena.
Some languages have a real word for this, so maybe it is better to borrow one of those - like have been done with "schadenfreude", "angst", "poltergeist",
In Swedish, this is called "Pekoral".
So this went back to being YMMV rather than Flame Bait, huh?
Is there a Narm page for Fan Made Videos?
I don't think so. That's a textbook example of why this trope was flamebait at one point.
The main page says you can list it on YMMV tabs, but the subpages (like Harry Potter) have the "There are subjectives, and then there are these" flame thingy (like Dethroning Moment of Suck has). In my opinion, this makes it confusing as to where you can list examples of Narm.
That is something that needs a techfix. You ought to post about it in the Wiki Tech Wish List.
I realize that it isn't conventional to mark spoilers in the intro of a trope page, but this one is a pretty huge spoiler and I think it's a little messed up that we have it out there, without warning, completely unmarked.
A friend of mine that I'm watching SFU with visited this page (not for SFU-related things) and was subsequently spoiled! That's not any fun, so something should really be done here.
I have two suggestions as to how this could be done.
1) Tag the spoilers, convention be damned.
2) Take away the written explanation. Just link to the video and put a spoiler warning around the link.
Any other suggestions? I'd like to fix it, because SFU is a wonderful show and not everyone has watched it or been spoiled on it!
You know, I agree. There's no reason for such a spoiler. I don't see any reason why it has to say "main character Nate" when it could just say "a major character."
Bam, no real spoilers.
Is there a reason the "Note: This is for unintentional moments only. If it's intended to be funny, it's not Narm" is commented out? This is a mistake that many many people make, and I think it would be important to uncomment that note so that people will see it.
Shouldn't adding a bunch of references to riff and parody blogs and the like be avoided? The Twilight films section has four references potholed to Riff Trax, when even one can be argued to be something of a shameless plug.
The TV News subpage should be renamed simply "News" as there are so many print and internet news examples. Any objections?
Why were the Real Life examples removed? Some of those were pretty funny.
Because of actual or feared flamebait, probably. Why else are RL sections removed?
Why are the subpages still in the Darth Wiki?
We'll find out shortly. I notice a Darth Wiki front page is in progress — still blank, but I wouldn't be surprised if the content shifts.
Is there a kind of middle ground for this trope? Like something that's unintentionally funny but not because of bad acting etc? Like a lighter form of this. For example in The Sixth Sense when Cole tells his mom grandma says hi and the face she makes is hilarious but I wouldn't call that Narm
Can we have ALL Advertisements automaticly be this trope. Asking people to buy your product/service is like asking a Fire to have sex with you. You show it your butt and ya get burned (Just for Pun).
What? That makes no sense! The point of advertisement is to persuade people to buy the product their advertising. That's how people get to know about the product and buy it. If advertisements didn't ask people to buy their products, there would be no purpose in buying advertisements. So to answer your question, no we shouldn't put every single advertisement on the Narm page.
He probably did that simply to make you ask questions like that and tick you off that he wasn't elaborating. Or he was referencing the Cybermen. Or both.
I might be missing something here, but why exactly do we need TWO banners telling us not to post this as a trope on works pages?
I see that the subpages of the Narm index have turned black. Presumably, the only thing keeping the main page white is the lock on it...
For the record, why does it look like this was moved to the Darth Wiki?
Because apparently TV Tropes is supposed to be objective at all times now?
Because we are moving the natter magnets out of the works pages. Narm is always negative, so it gets a black background.
... No offense, man, but Darth Wiki has always seemed like overkill. When I was a newbie, stumbling upon those pages always threw me off.
Since when has Narm always been negative? A lot of Narm is charming in a very cheesy way.
I don't really know how to do this, but I feel there should be a Statler And Waldorf quote at the end, but I cannot put it there since the page is locked. If the dude responsible would put it there, I'd be most pleased. It would go like this: S: "That was hilarious!" W: "Yeah, it was really funny." S: "DO you think they meant it to be?"
Thanking you in advance,
We now have extra pages on the Narm index, Narm/DeathNote and another one for an anime, which cannot be added to the main page because it is locked. Would someone with authority please add it?
Just add them to the media sub-page. For example, Narm.Death Note shows up on the Narm.Anime index.
What would be the opposite of Narm, where something that was originally meant to be silly is taken seriously?
I don't mean Narm Charm; that's more like where something was meant to be serious, looks silly on paper, but ends up being effective anyway.
EDIT: I'm sorry, disregard that. It seems I misread your comment.
"Funny Aneurysm" Moment.
Another Narm example - Evangelion 2.2 - Tsubasa wo Kudasai causes Narm effect in EVA 01 VS EVA 03 and EVA 01 Aweking scenes.
That's not Narm. Tell me that it was Narm when 03 got torn apart when Asuka was inside it. That's not funny. it is for a few seconds before, but no it's not Narm, it's horrifying. It should remind you of The End of Evangelion. It's full blown Soundtrack Dissonence, especially during the aborted 3rd Impact.
Should we add "Inappropriate usage of Stock Sound Effects" into the examples which are likely to produce NARM?
Like that one infamous slide-whistle car jump in that one Bond movie. Definitely.
Just a little thing: The page quote says that Kevin Murphy said that line in the Rifftrax, but it was Mike Nelson who said it. I would have just changed it and not wasted Discussion space, but the page is locked. Can some allowed to edit it change the quote attribution, or unlock it so I can?
How about just taking the line off all together? Not everyone agrees that the makeup was bad, after all.
The page image. I feel we need one, but we need to find one that people can agree on so there's no more editing wars.
I'm a fan of the High School Musical "Bet On It" image that had been gracing the page for the longest time, but hey, if someone can suggest a better one, that's great. I personally think it fits very well, because you can tell that the scene pictured is supposed to be serious, but comes out hilarious.
This is what the Image Pickin' forum is all about.
Ah, well, that makes sense! I don't go on the forums, so that would explain why I didn't know about that.
I sort of feel like this is a trope wrongly named. Yes, the sounds coming out of Nate's mouth when he's having the aneurysm are funny. But is that unintentional? Six Feet Under is all about how wobbly the line is between stuff that's hilarious and stuff that's terrifying. That's what makes the show do what it does for those of us that like what it does to us. Consider the moment of Nate's actual death — the drive to the ocean with Bizarro-David in the back of the van? Hilarious. Then David wakes up and his brother is gone. Terrifying.
The trope described in this article definitely exists, but I don't think the Narm moment is an example of it, because I'm pretty sure the people who brought us that moment knew a lot of us were going to laugh at it. And then feel horrible. Just like they meant us to.
Compare with Real Life.
Perhaps we should just name the trope "Bathos," after what its more common, non-troper name is? We could still have "Narm" redirect to the page, of course.
"Narm" is really too far ingrained into troper slang to change now. Half the pages on the wiki contain at least one "narm", or "narmy" or such. I'm pretty sure I once came across "narmtastic"
I'll see your "Narmtastic" and raise you at least one "Narmilicious".
""Narm" is really too far ingrained into troper slang to change now."
That is no excuse, so was "nakama" heavily ingrained in to troper slang, and the reasons to change it was that is unintelligible for non-tropers. Narm really doesn't describe the trope in any meaningful way, I'd put it up for a name change if i knew how.
I really don't see any reason to rename tropes to be more intelligible for tropers - once you get to the page it becomes obvious. We aren't just naming things and not explaining them for people.
I'd be in favour of changing it, try explaining why it's called 'narm' to anyone not on TV Tropes.
Take it to the TRS
I'm in favour of changing it, for reasons explained above, and also because at some point, probably once Six Feet Under is out of the main public's memory(if it's not already), it's gonna seem really dated(if it's not already).
Over 4,000 wicks, over 16,000 inbounds. It's not changing.
And honestly, I've never seen Six Feet Under and it works for me. It... feels silly. That's enough for me.
People want to change narm?
Geez, I swear people want to take all the fun and unique stuff out of the site.
I like Narm. Changing it will take away from TVT's unique flavor. We have quirky slang. *Goes into Chicago mobster accent* Git ussta it.
Narm has not changed over the past few years.
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