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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#1: Jan 4th 2012 at 10:07:51 PM

. . . and you probably know exactly why. I'm not even sure I want to rename it—what I want is to have the discussion and get it over with, so I can add a note on the discussion page saying that TRS has already gone over the pros and cons of a merge with Bathos or a rename to Unintentional Comedy.

Edit: It appears I screwed up the link.

edited 4th Jan '12 10:09:56 PM by feotakahari

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#3: Jan 4th 2012 at 10:20:28 PM

We can't rename Narm, it's too universal.

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#4: Jan 4th 2012 at 10:45:35 PM

I'd have no problems cutting it, but I think a rename would be a bad idea. This is basically part of troper vocabulary by now, much as I hate it.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#5: Jan 4th 2012 at 11:07:51 PM

"Numb arm! Numb arm!"

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#6: Jan 4th 2012 at 11:23:39 PM

It's not failing to thrive and it's not being misused. That pretty much kills any reason to rename it right there.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#7: Jan 5th 2012 at 12:18:01 AM

If you want a discussion of it, some reasons to rename it need to be forthcoming. Otherwise, this thread will be turn into a thread about renaming-policy-in-general with occasional shout-outs to Narm.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#8: Jan 5th 2012 at 1:22:08 AM

read wrong, joke not funny

edited 5th Jan '12 1:22:39 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#9: Jan 5th 2012 at 2:27:56 AM

[up][up]Okay: the name is utterly non-intuitive and derives from a specific scene in a specific work. I believe that it's embedded enough in TV Tropes culture that there is nothing to do about it, but let's be honest here - if you were a newbie, would you have even the slightest idea what this was supposed to be?

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#10: Jan 5th 2012 at 2:33:11 AM

After taking thirty seconds to learn about it, yes.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#11: Jan 5th 2012 at 2:53:49 AM

We've got no guarantee that everyone will. And anyway, I think names this utterly work-dependent and obtuse should be considered bad regardless of misuse. I just think it's too entrenched to be renamed.

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#12: Jan 5th 2012 at 6:05:05 AM

It is being misused.

People use it for any kind of unintentional comedy instead of drama winding up as comedy.

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#13: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:02:42 AM

I don't think that has anything to do with the name, though. There's no way you could have any idea what the name means if you don't read the trope page. If an editor reads it and still doesn't know how to use it, then he's just an idiot. We can't fix that, I don't think.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#14: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:07:25 AM

We've got no guarantee that everyone will.

We can play this sort of game all day.

There's also no guarantee that many newbies won't be able to understand what Narm is or use it correctly, either. As long we're phrasing arguments like this, everything is a possibility and nothing is certain.

People use it for any kind of unintentional comedy instead of drama winding up as comedy.

What's the difference? "Drama winding up as comedy" sounds pretty unintentional; if it's supposed to be drama or get taken seriously, it's not intended to be comedy or inspire laughter.

edited 5th Jan '12 7:10:56 AM by SeanMurrayI

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#15: Jan 5th 2012 at 7:09:57 AM

Please feel free to start a general renaming policy thread in Wiki Talk, if you feel we need one. This is a non-starter.

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