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I think this and completely missing the point should be 2 separate tropes as the completely missing the point examples are sometimes not funny at all.
We already have Dramatically Missing The Point for non-comical examples. Completely Missing the Point is this trope\'s old name; it was dropped because it was misused for the sake of complaining.
It could be that people are still potholing to the old name when complaining about people missing a point, not knowing that it's a humor trope (in other words, the reason why it was renamed to begin with). Such a case would be similar to how I've deleted instances of people potholing to "Not Making This Up" Disclaimer as though it's a drop-in replacement for I Am Not Making This Up.
Did anyone else notice that the page image links to a non-existent page?
Yes, which is not a problem. The title of the target page is important, not so much its content.
Not too sure the Biblical examples are all too comical. "Tragically Missing the Point" might be more accurate here.
Agreed and removed:
Saved me a job then. It might have made sense when the trope was still "Completely Missing the Point" but not since the name change.
This was originally known as Completely Missing the Point. Archived TRS for this topic:
I have this dialogue from a work I'm doing:
An X Just X and Weblinks Are Not Examples line cut pending expansion. Also removed a massive chunk of Complaining about the fanbase not agreeing with the troper.
I'll change "Dr. Evil of the Austin Powers films misses the point when Frau tries telling him that she's pregnant." in Film Examples to "Dr. Evil of the Austin Powers films misses the point when Frau Farbissina tries telling him that she's pregnant." because "Frau" is not her first name, it is the german word for Mrs.
Is there some kind of rule that new names have to be terrible?
Agreed. These recent renames are just...pointless. The original name got the point across, this is just...good God, awful!
People kept thinking the trope applied to any character missing the point, whether or not it's a comical moment, so it was renamed.
Plus, it was complaining fuel.
I know I'm relatively new to the wiki and every edit I make brings me closer to getting kicked off(probably), but this trope has its uses outside of comedy, and the old name fit it better.
The trope's main use outside of comedy seems to be tropers potholing it into inane responses to previous edits.
^^ If you read the trope description, you'd know that's not true.
People were using it to mean writers or creators missing the point as well. The rename wasn't pointless, and although it doesn't sound as good at least it's being used as a trope.
If the rename doesn't manage to keep people from misusing the trope can we possibly change the name back?
Someone added a real life example even though this is an in-universe comedy trope. The very reason this trope was renamed is because people kept adding real life examples as a way to complain about things. I'm going to add a No Real Life Examples Please note to the main text.
Moved the former page image to Image Wiki, as it was a Real Life Examples. The only works-based example in the image page can work, if it didn't need all 4 panels.
I only have one Real Life Example on me, but I'm wondering why they're forbidden for this trope — it's a relatively common device people use in bantering back and forth.
I mean, think about the conversation between one of Leonidas' general and a messenger for the Persians at Thermopylae:
Messenger: Our arrows shall block out the sun!
General: Then we shall have our battle in the shade.
In this case, you could argue that the General is missing the point that this great number of arrows would be really deadly [i]for intended comic effect on his part[/i]. I mean, it also might qualify as finding the silver lining, but you get what I mean?
I have another example of a possible usage in conversation, just to show that it's applicable to real life. Consider a refutation of a "yo momma" joke:
A: What's the difference between yo momma and your washing machine?
B: I don't know.
A: When I drop a load in your washing machine, it doesn't follow me around for a week!
B: My washing machine opens in the front.
So, couldn't this trope have examples in real life? [I thought I'd bring this to the discussion first, since I'm not sure about it, and the page said no. That, and I'm new at this.]
I've noted how much this trope gets potholed as a criticism of prose laid by earlier tropes, or general snark at a third party, which I do believe should be addressed somehow, perhaps by blanking the page and making this trope a permanent red link, or at the very least discouraging a pothole.
You know what's really this trope? When another troper brought up a valid point about subjectivity of a character and whether or not they counted as The Wesley or not and went into a completely different direction with it.
Funny, isn't it?
I'm not sure whether I like the new image or the old one better (the old one definitely benefited from the caption), but either way I think we can do better. If anyone finds a better image, try posting it; I will if I find one. (I suspect that the current image is a very good illustration of a trope, but not this one. Not sure which one, though.)
Recommend that we not use an image that is clearly a Real Life example.
We need to clean up the Playing With section of Completely Missing the Point.
Would that happen to be the subverted and double subverted points? Because I wasn't that sure if that would work when I wrote it
What happened to the image? (don't try to give justification for removing it. There is none)
Regarding the Dragon Age example:
It occurs to me more expanation of my edit there is needed, but it's inappropriate to commit to the main page.
The passage that I think prompted a previous editor to suggest that Cailan was attempting to turn the country over to Orlais was this:
I see the idea, but the claim of 'permanent alliance' is a hell of a distance from "turning over the country". The real thing here is the difference between Logaine's worldview (formed during the occupation of Fereldan by the Orlesians) of Orlais as an incredibly powerful enemy who would love to reconquer Fereldan, and the current reality (that Orlais is not currently hostile to Fereldan, and retaking the country would be a costly endeavour it does not care to endure).
Basically, I think the poster is Completely Missing the Point. Those letters imply that Cailan was secretly having an affair with the empress of Orlais, but it doesn't infer that he was traitorous.
In a feudal world where politics and personal relationships (up to AND including marraige) are so intertwined as to be effectively conjoined, it is difficult to say anything for certain, but even the simple fact that Cailan and Celene were having an affair would have sent up red flags in real life given how land transfers can happen amongst royalty via marraige, it is probable that an alliance would have been the very LEAST that would have happened, particularly considering the possibilities of Celene just using Cailan to prepare for a move on Fereldan in general. It's not 100% certain proof, but it is enough to be highly suspicious of, particularly that even if Cailan wasn't treasonous it might leave the door open for another occupation anyway.
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