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4th Mar, 2021 08:20:18 AM

There's nothing wrong with having a few examples with lots of spoiler markup. Now, if most of the tropes on the page have a spoiler tag in them, a case could be made for declaring the whole thing Spoilers Off. But if it's limited to a specific trope, that's not really a big problem.

As someone who doesn't watch the show:

  • What events are explained in Episode 4?
  • Which character is the subject of Episode 7's reveal?
  • What questions are answered in Episode 8?

Without these details, the example is practically useless to me.

4th Mar, 2021 08:40:10 AM

I agree that if anything, examples tend to be on the side of overexplaining, but these do seem to be a bit sparse.

That said, I would probably prefer closer to this on a crosswicked page. But on the work page itself, the entries are just a bit odd given how much they dance around the details.

4th Mar, 2021 08:52:25 AM

Yeah, I'm generally on the side of "less minute details in spoilers", but I agree this is an overcorrection.

That said, the The Reveal entries on the individual recap pages go into much, much more detail and are unhindered by spoiler markup. I would say this entry doesn't even need to be on the main page.

4th Mar, 2021 08:53:51 AM

I do think we should add some specifics to these at least.

4th Mar, 2021 12:05:06 PM

Doesn't the reveal itself need to actually be in a The Reveal trope example? These examples almost look like Zero-Context Example, the way they're written now. I don't see much difference between "There are reveals in this episode about a character." and "This character does [X trope]."

Edited by Octoya
4th Mar, 2021 12:27:28 PM

These examples read like fortune cookies

4th Mar, 2021 01:37:14 PM

In this case, what are the best options for these examples, considering the fact that Zero-Context Examples are not allowed on TV Tropes?

Edited by gjjones
4th Mar, 2021 01:55:47 PM

Either revert back to how they were, or move them to the recap pages.

4th Mar, 2021 01:57:49 PM

Yeah, those are so bare-bones that I wouldn't be able to make heads or tails of them if I weren't watching the show myself. I say revert.

Edited by WarJay77
4th Mar, 2021 02:21:10 PM

I think we might need to be aware of any potential Wall of Text and Word Cruft issues if we do restore them.

Edited by gjjones
4th Mar, 2021 02:44:12 PM

I would not revert — the previous entry was much too long and very all-white.

    For reference 
  • Episode eight, "Previously On", due to having Agatha force Wanda to relive her memories, winds up answering many unanswered questions from even outside the show's events.
    • Agatha is a centuries-old witch from 1693, Salem, Massachusetts who sought power above her station, events and murdered her own coven when they tried to execute her sets up the players for doing so.
    • The reason the Hex has adopted a sitcom aesthetic is because Wanda loved watching American sitcoms as a child in Sokovia, a love that persisted even into her career as an Avenger. Watching The Dick Van Dyke Show was the last thing her family did before they were bombed.
    • Wanda's powers didn't come from the Mind Stone. She had (or at least Agatha claims she had) latent magical ability even from young (using it to stop the Stark bomb from going off), and the Infinity Stone simply amplified it to extreme levels.
    • The Hex's creation is explicitly shown - it is revealed that Vision had bought a property in Westview for him and Wanda to live together and grow old in. Upon visiting the unbuilt house, Wanda succumbed to grief and created the Hex in an explosion of magical energy, building the house and Vision entirely from thin air.
    • From "On A Very Special Episode...", the audience is led to believe by Hayward, that Wanda created the Vision we see by stealing the Vision's corpse from S.W.O.R.D, showing security footage of her breaking into the compound. Come "Previously On", and it is revealed instead that Hayward lied, while Wanda was initially aggressive, she had ultimately left without incident. The Vision we see was actually spontaneously created entirely from nothing, explaining why he could not leave the Hex unlike other objects.
    • As a consequence of this, "Project Cataract" is revealed: S.W.O.R.D still has Vision's original body, and have managed to reactivate it using residual energy from the drone Wanda destroyed, and are preparing to set it loose on the Hex.
    • After Agatha blinks away, and Wanda is left standing in the "home set," Wanda hears her sons crying out for help. She exits what appears to be an industrial-type door, the kind used for soundstages, but emerges out of Agnes' house on Sherwood Avenue.
    • To top it off, Agatha reveals that Wanda, a being capable of spontaneous creation, is in fact using Chaos Magic, and a mythical figure known as the Scarlet Witch.season finale.

Proposed rewrite:

  • Episode four, "We Interrupt This Program", marks a change in format from the first three full sitcom episodes by revealing S.W.O.R.D. is observing Westview from the outside and attempting to contact Wanda. Parts of the first three episodes are shown from the perspectives of people at the base. (this is not really spoiler material)
  • Episode seven, "Breaking the Fourth Wall" reveals that Agnes is a witch named Agatha Harkness. They are much more aware of what's going on in Westview than they seem and have been manipulating events from behind the scenes.
  • Episode eight, "Previously On", due to having Agatha force Wanda to relive her memories, winds up answering many unanswered questions from even outside the show's events and sets up the players for the season finale.
    • Agnes was a witch who was tried for possessing dark magic. She is trying to find out how Wanda is capable of creating Westview.
    • Director Hayward tried to manipulate Wanda into reviving Vision; when that didn't work, he used the residuaul energy from the missile launcher he fired at her to continue Project Cataract, producing an all-white version of Vision.
    • The Hex was created from an Angst Nuke Wanda experienced when she visited the lot Vision had obtained for both of them. Its sitcom aesthetic is because she watched a lot of sitcoms growing up, and was watching The Dick Van Dyke Show when her parents were killed.
    • Wanda's powers did not come from the Mind Stone, which simply enhanced latent magical abilities she already had. Agatha calls her powers "Chaos Magic" and calls her the mythical Scarlet Witch.

Edited by Synchronicity
4th Mar, 2021 02:47:17 PM

Alright, we should rewrite them then.

4th Mar, 2021 02:59:53 PM

^^ These look good to me.

4th Mar, 2021 03:11:54 PM

The rewrites look much better, and I agree that not every reveal has to be spoiler-tagged.

4th Mar, 2021 03:13:40 PM

Discussing the specifics of how to rewrite examples can go on the discussion subpage, as I can tell that will have quite a bit of back-and-forth based on the number of previous Wandavision ATT threads.

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