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FFXVI is not yet eligible for a page, so this problem's going to fix itself.

Author's Saving Throw is a blatant misuse.

The definition of Tainted by the Preview doesn't seem to care how early the reaction is.

e: Also ^ that; I don't know if FFXVI meets them, but Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work has the relevant standards.

Edited by wingedcatgirl Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

^^Meaning what? The page is going to get deleted?

^So in terms of the examples, should I delete them and then cutlist the page?

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FFXVI does meet the current criteria to have a work page, though it will likely be full of speculative nonsense (as it is wont to...)

It does not meet the criteria for YMMV. Audience reactions need some time to form an coalesce in order for us to have enough of a grip on fan perception. Cutlist the page.

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Where is it written down what the criteria for YMMV is? Honest question; I'm looking at the page for another recent announcement, YMMV.Hyrule Warriors Age Of Calamity, and wondering if we aren't jumping the gun there too.

^I was an advocate, when it came up a while back, of banning YMMV pages for unreleased works for exactly this reason.

There are a few YMMV tropes that apply while the audience hasn't seen the work, but I've been against unreleased works even getting a page, so I don't mind a rule that says unreleased works cannot have subpages.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Um, unreleased works CAN have YMMV pages. There's never been a rule against that.

From Administrivia.Creating A Work Page For An Upcoming Work:

• Audience Reactions may be used if the particular reaction is not dependent on the full work. For example, Tainted by the Preview is explicitly for unreleased works.

I do think that Author's Saving Throw should be No Recent Examples, Please! so we can know for sure that the promised changes are actually delivered. But the other examples seem to be okay to me.

AST isn't for promising content. NREP starts from time of publication, not from time of marketing.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Yes, that's what I said, or meant to say. AST should be limited to works that have been released, to ensure that the promises are actually fulfilled in the finished work. Hence why it should be NREP.

Edited by Zuxtron

I could get behind a YMMV ban, but we should take the discussion elsewhere. There's a thread on the forums specifically to discuss the Unreleased Works Policy; it hasn't been active recently but this is as good a reason as any to pull it out of mothballs.

"Um, unreleased works CAN have YMMV pages. There's never been a rule against that."

I'm aware - I'm saying this sort of thing is a perfect demonstration of why I opposed that decision.

Lying Creator and Never Trust a Trailer are a thing, and because it tries a throw doesn't mean it will succeed. That's why promised fixes shouldn't count as it's Speculative Troping. Pre-release hype is And the Fandom Rejoiced which doesn't allow examples outside the ATFJ pages.

I think ATS shouldn't need anymore waiting period than until the actual work is out, as should be the default for most YMMV. But if this is a persistent problem I say give it a 1 week (the smallest we currently have) waiting period to let the hype calm down.

"Um, unreleased works CAN have YMMV pages. There's never been a rule against that.

From Administrivia.Creating A Work Page For An Upcoming Work:

Audience Reactions may be used if the particular reaction is not dependent on the full work. For example, Tainted by the Preview is explicitly for unreleased works."

I never said they couldn't. I said they need time to coalesce. That does not necessarily mean the time between the announcement and the release itself. Simply time after the announcement. The threshold will be fairly arbitrary as they are wont to, but for ridiculously popular pages like FF, I would err on the side of a longer threshold. Because it invites nonsense. The page can be remade some time after less than 24 hours since the game's release trailer.

I hope that answers the question.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

^ x something: How does the work meet the requirements for a work page? Video games require either:

1. A release period and pre-release material) or

2. Gameplay footage.

There is not a release date or period, and very little if anything in the announcement trailer looks like gameplay footage.

Edited by RallyBot2

I agree with RallyBot2 that the latest teaser is not sufficient. Barely if any context for any of the scenes, the "gameplay footage" being nothing but attack animations (no GUI at all!), etc.

There also isn't a release date, and the system it's supposed to be on, the Play Station 5, isn't even publicly acessible yet. And the trailer even admits that it doesn't even have any PS5 version footage in the first place.

Edited by Albert3105

AST describes a "re-roll", not a success. AST examples can fail.

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Right, to quote earlier in this thread, the AST example "is a blatant misuse".

Edited by crazysamaritan Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

An Author's Saving Throw does not necessarily need to succeed, absolutely; they can indeed fail and still count as examples.

But we need to make sure that the throw was made in the first place. We cannot always assume that just because the marketing says a throw will exist, that the throw has existed.

Edited by Albert3105

Tangentially related to the issue is this entry on YMMV.Monster Hunter Rise:

• Author's Saving Throw: One for Nintendo Switch owners who were unhappy with Monster Hunter: World not being on Switch and only getting a localization of Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, despite Tri and 4 being Nintendo exclusives.

This sounds like it's more of an assumption that it is an actual pitch.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain

Right, we don't know how much that game will actually cover for World's niche, and may in fact be a different type of work altogether.