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Maybe each game should have its own separate page? They share the same game engine and mechanics, but story-wise they're completely different games.

^ That could be a good idea - especially considering the engine is recycled from Link's Awakening.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Super Smash Bros. was split into pages for each largely because it needed multiple pages anyway (even though there are still subpages for tropes general to the whole series). Tropes for the Oracle games fit comfortably on one page, and there are multiple tropes that apply to both. I don't think it needs to be split, but I could support a rename to "The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons/Ages".

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^ There is precedent for a custom title replacing the word "and", but that's beside the point.

If the "official English names" rule is twisted to ban descriptive terms, the Oracles won't be the only Zelda games affected here. A certain other Unholy Triforce would also have its title changed.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

I don't think we should have a rule that all pages must use their official English names. Otherwise we'd have to rename Tokyo Mew Mew to Mew Mew Power and all the Danganronpa games (though I could get behind renaming Absolute Despair Girls to Ultra Despair Girls, since I don't think I've ever heard it referred to as the former outside of this site).

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From How to Create a Work's Page: "Note that we require usage of the official name of the work, not Fan Nicknames."

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Yeah, it's awkward, but we should be using the official names where available. Fan nicknames can be redirects if they are sufficiently well-known that someone will use them to search.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Returning to Zelda for the moment, the policy gives us sufficient wiggle room. These are technically multiple games, but it's a One Game for the Price of Two situation, and we have a long-standing precedent that collective titles are acceptable for such.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Would it be Ages/Seasons or Seasons/Ages?

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^ My proposal is that it's neither.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Regarding Tokyo Mew Mew, the page is at the proper title. The most recent official English title is Tokyo Mew Mew, so we use that.

In the case of the Oracle games, if the page were to be created today, it would almost certainly be "The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons/Ages" or something of the like.

Bwburke, where's the precedent? We're not looking at a Pokemon situation where it's basically the same game.

^ Rallybot, that's exactly what we're looking at. It's one page for two games.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Well, with Pokemon, we have a page called Pokémon Red and Blue, not "Pokémon Generation I" or "Pokémon Kanto Games" or something like that. It's still the official game titles. (Well, technically the official game titles have "Version" in the names... but newer games in the series don't say "Version" so that just helps with consistency.)

lalalei2001, Seasons comes first in the manga and chapter book adaptations, so I'd put it first in the title. And "official name" isn't exactly the same as "official English name"; a lot of anime and manga pages use Japanese titles (Detective Conan instead of Case Closed, Akuma no Riddle instead of Riddle Story of Devil, Ojamajo Doremi instead of Magical DoReMi, etc.) and I don't think a strict policy of only official English names is a good idea.

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I agree with not using the strict English name. I like the idea of "whatever the latest name in the US/UK regions at the time" should be used, assuming it's of course not a unique adaption of the work with its own page.

As for this, unless Seasons and Ages gets split, the closest thing we have to an order is Seasons/Ages due to the adaptions. There's no official work otherwise, so it's all we got to use. It's at least something remotely official and not a "fan work" in the same way, but an official adaption. It should work for now, until we get some kind of word of their official order otherwise(I think Hyrule Historia had Seasons > Ages in that order too? But I forget).

rjd1992, regarding the manga you mentioned, I reiterate that the policy is "most recent official translation."

Detective Conan was published by that name in Europe for a while. We've basically decided on a hands-off policy on that one due to the legal dispute.

The most recent translation of Akuma no Riddle is the manga, which was called Akuma no Riddle.

Ojamajo Doremi should be Magical DoReMi under our policy, assuming I haven't missed something. It's just that nobody cares to move it because it was a poorly-received 4kids dub.

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Those are all English translations. The Japanese titles are:

• 名探偵コナン
• 悪魔のリドル
• おジャ魔女どれみ

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We do have translation projects for the non-English parts of the wiki, and fluent readers/writers are appreciated.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Akuma no Riddle and Ojamajo Doremi are transliterations/Romanizations, not translations. There's an important distinction. And I agree that works should use English names in most cases (I myself moved Okusama ga Seito Kaichou to My Wife is the Student Council President), but I feel there are exceptions like Detective Conan, since Case Closed was just a Writing Around Trademarks issue and both names are English anyway.

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Transliteration/Romanisation means it is no longer in the original Japanese. There are so many shades of translation that it isn't useful to discuss the nuances in an ATT thread. You can interrogate me via PM.

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Detective Conan is not an exception; years ago there was a discussion based on the existence of concurrent official English names, and the moderators permitted consensus to determine which name we would go by.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.