During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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to Li Pang and a more tentative one to Onyx Adams.
Edited by DrUnknown on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:29:29 AM
to Onyx Adams and Li Pang.
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Onyx seems bad, but I'm not familiar enough with the franchise to know if she's bad enough for it.
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Ultimate Moral Compass
Li Pang
Time for another Samus and Joey candidate. Just so y’all know, I can’t guarantee they’ll all keep. But it’s better to be safe than sorry, and just propose these other three contenders I have in mind.
Who Is He?
Dragüd, the Big Bad of the first volume, is a sadistically infamous space pirate leader.
What has he done?
Dragüd orders the attack of a peaceful village with the intent to kidnap the villagers as slave labor, while also giving his pirates the okay to slaughter anyone who stands in their way, as the planet is now theirs. One of his men even kills a guy for refusing to serve as Dragüd’s slave.
But Dragüd has his own plans. After witnessing his men getting slaughtered by the Metroids in the past, Dragüd felt afraid… but also intrigued by the creatures, totally glossing over the massacre of his own men. After their extinction, Dragüd used a dead Metroid to create his very own, known only as the Megaroid, a creature more powerful than the Metroids. Viewing it as a bioweapon, Dragüd plans to add it to his ranks and cause untold amounts of carnage across the galaxy, with Samus to serve as its first victim. But then the creature escapes captivity. And he didn’t have his mind control chip implanted.
The Megaroid goes on a rampage, with Dragüd supposedly killed alongside his men after it gains an enormous amount of power. With the powered up Megaroid on the loose, it tries to kill all the people in Joey’s village, but is thankfully killed by Joey and Samus before it can do any serious damage.
Redeeming Qualities?
None. Dragüd only values himself, viewing his men dying to the Metroids as just a way to examine their true capabilities. While he gets some comedic moments (like Joey stealing his cherished tiger rug and spear), that doesn’t detract from his villainy.
Heinousness?
Ok. Now let’s discuss the manga’s heinous standard. While Greed sets it high, let’s go through the manga’s other villains.
Some one-off villains don’t make the cut, as often they’re not heinous enough, or they pull Heel-Face Turns.
Then there’s the Dominion, a shadowy cabal of Arms Dealers who start wars and sell weapons to keep them going, having done fucktons of damage across the galaxy. Problem is, they’re mainly a collective Seele-esque group of people who look the same, with the closest we’ll see to a leader being nothing more than a regular cog in a larger scale machine. Only one of them really stands out, and I’ll get to him soon.
And how about the Deadly Six Stars? While three of them are really all that bad (Golon for imprisoning non-circular members of his planet to be made into machines, Chrysta for causing a planet to freeze, and Blast for being a coward willing to blow up a planet for shits and giggles), they’re really given nothing else to do. Greed’s two henchmen Bishop and Knight? Don’t count either. Bishop’s nothing but a Big Bad Wannabe, while Knight is an Anti-Villain who sacrifices himself to save Joey’s life.
But Dragüd? A regular space pirate leader who has a village raided, attempts to enslave its villagers there, and tries to use a super powerful Metroid to help him kill who knows how many lifeforms across the galaxy. He doesn’t have the resources of Greed or the Dominion, but he makes up for it with his sheer sadism and cruelty towards innocents and his own soldiers.
Conclusion
I think he’s a keep.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:59:56 AM
"No running in the halls!"
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Sure to him.
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Sure to Dragüd.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 24th 2020 at 12:05:51 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
to Dragüd.
Yes to Dragüd.
Narajit, Bathory and her quote, Argost's rewrite, Onyx (someone already made a Pokémon joke, Li Pang, & Dragud
Messenger from another dimension.
Yes to Li Pang and Dragud.
I want to talk about Edward Braddock in Assassin's Creed 3. While he defnitely counts, he is listed under Forsaken. Thing is... I am replaying AC 3 and it seems like many of his actions listed are actually in the game itself. Maybe we should move him to game or just list him under Franchise-wide.
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Okay, looks like Li/Lee Pang is from Return Engagement, aka Hong Kong Corruptor.
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Shin Megami Tensei IV
Current mood: sick of your shit
Goku Black
Dragud
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I think I'll toss in a yes for Onyx. She seems to stack up nicely with Vertigo and Mathis, if not with Zytle (who was willing to kill 20,000).
Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2020 at 2:27:27 PM
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The Brazillian Dog!
I always wanted to give a YES to Countess Elizabeth Bathory.
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So, Bad Blood:
Big enough?
EDIT: Or maybe we should just use the second image?
EDIT: Yeah, I think the second image works. The skulls in the beginning, the sadistic evil smile of Bad Blood, and a brutal double kill.
Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2020 at 3:14:17 PM
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Second one looks good to me.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 24th 2020 at 2:15:38 PM
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Li Pang and Dragud.
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And here we go. I've taken care of all the crosswicking and such.
Edited by ACW on Nov 24th 2020 at 3:23:17 PM
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Looks good to me.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 24th 2020 at 2:30:43 PM
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to Dragüd.
Yeah I agree on the second image.
Yes to Li Pang.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 24th 2020 at 11:14:50 AM
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