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emperors Messenger from another dimension. Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:26:57 AM

Why EP something that hasn't been officially released?

And yes to Scraggle's recent Nazi example. That movie sounds interesting.

Edited by emperors on Oct 9th 2019 at 1:27:06 PM

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:30:09 AM

Ok, one I've been thinking about doing for a while is:

Who Is She

  • Vanessa, a seemingly normal woman living in Goshen Falls who is actually a Wicked Witch, from The Goosebumps book Chicken Chicken

What Is She Like?

  • She at first seems like a nice enough, if kind of weird woman, who, for whatever reason, the kids of Goshen Falls like to play pranks on. One such kid is Cole, who is Crystal's (the main character) little brother. Crystal herself doesn't approve and tries to get him to stop, to no avail. Anyways, at one point Crystal, Cole, and Cole's friend Anthony are walking to the grocery store and decide to have an egg tossing game. This eventually leads to a fight and all three of them bump into Vanessa by mistake. When Crystal and Cole don't apologize right away, she just says "chicken chicken". This actually turns out to be a curse which slowly turns the kids into chickens. While this may sound funny on paper, the curse turns out to work very slowly and subjects the kids to a lot of Body Horror, such as having their eyes move to the sides of their heads, their lips get hard and beak like, and they start growing feathers which are painful to remove and leave bleeding open wounds. At one point they confront Vanessa and ask her to remove the curse, she says she can't, which turns out to be a total lie she said seemingly just to be cruel. At the end they convince her to turn them back into normal by writing a thank you note (more on that later.) Things seem to be back to normal only for her to say "pig pig" when the kids burp, at which point the book ends.

Does She Have Any Redeeming Traits?

  • The only vaugely nice thing she does is remove the curse and offer them some soda, which needless to say isn't much (if you were beating someone to death and then stopped, does that make you not a bad guy.)

Is She Bad Enough

  • I would say definitely, while most of the villains seek to hurt kids (as all of the protagonists are kids), the way the curse works seems particularly cruel and unusual, as noted above. Also, while Cole did have a habit of trying to play pranks on her, Crystal was completely innocent (and quite a Nice Girl for the most part), as she was just trying to break up a fight and bumped into Vanessa by mistake, not to mention Vanessa put a curse on them before they even had a chance to apologize (and didn't even bother with saying something like "apologize or else"). Making things worse, she thinks she is completely justified in doing what she did and only removes the curse because the kids wrote a note thanking her for torturing them mentally and physically with a curse, which just shows what a petty, sadistic tyrant she really is.

Verdict Hell ya

Oct 9th 2019 at 10:30:41 AM

@enperors and delphox

Technically we have a sort of demo focusing on a small arc in the storyline. I decided to treat this as a deltarune sort of situation where I discuss the qualifiers in the demo and was given the go ahead by ACW

Edited by xie323 on Oct 9th 2019 at 10:32:58 AM

DelphineTheDelphox In my way... from The Alola Region Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
In my way...
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:34:41 AM

Keeping my Nay. Abstain on Vanessa.

Story by me.
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:35:22 AM

No to Vanessa. The product of bad writing, and while she's awful she doesn't breach the heinous standard of the series and she can be reasoned with. When your CM is so thrilled by a thank-you note she removes a curse, even if she reapplies it after, she's probably not a keeper.

And no there. A demo that will become a new game...not feeling it yet. Better to wait

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 9th 2019 at 10:36:20 AM

Oct 9th 2019 at 10:35:44 AM

[tdown] to Vanessa. She doesn't do anything that pushes her into Complete Monster territory. And no, turning two kids into chickens is nowhere near Complete Monster territory.

DelphineTheDelphox In my way... from The Alola Region Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
In my way...
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:37:10 AM

Switching to a Nay on Vanessa.

Story by me.
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:37:16 AM

It's more because of how the transformation works being so horrible. They don't just turn into chickens instantly like a Baleful Polymorph, it's more like a slow mutation with lots of Body Horror.

ElfenLiedFan90 Current Status: Taking a Break for 3 days or mor from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Current Status: Taking a Break for 3 days or mor
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:37:26 AM

I might give a weak yes to Oscar. I mean, we do get King of Spades up despite the real game itself is not released according to Toby so I think no issue for Oscar going up. If he doesn't, I could go either way.

"Aww, don't make that pouty face... It makes me want to torment you more..." Current story that I made.
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:38:34 AM

Still not heinous enough by Goosebumps.

miraculous I am so tired of this gothic crap from South Africa
I am so tired of this gothic crap
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:39:32 AM

[tdown]Vanessa

Goosebumps has a lot of fucked up shit.

Just once, I want to meet the villain in a cheerful, brightly lit room. Possibly one with kittens
DelphineTheDelphox In my way... from The Alola Region Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
In my way...
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:40:35 AM

I thought the Goosebumps books all took place in their own universes except for direct sequels. They still have to compare heinousness?

Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Oct 9th 2019 at 10:42:07 AM

Story by me.
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:40:41 AM

[tup] to Isaac Asimov and Sloane Peterson, [tdown] to DnD Dragon and Chicken girl.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
AustinDR Smile and the whole world smiles. from Fresh and ready for life.
Smile and the whole world smiles.
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:44:59 AM

Vanessa was already proposed and rejected.

Why you little-!
Awesomekid42 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:46:25 AM

@ Delphine

Different universe or not, when they're all part of the same work, they still have to stand out from one another to be a CM. We cut a few candidates from Betrayal at House on the Hill for the same reason.

Now say, if it was a villain from a spin-off of Goosebumps (like HorrorLand) then I think we'd simply judge it by the spin-off's standards as opposed to the main series. Though I'd say Vanessa doesn't cross baseline threshold either way.

ElfenLiedFan90 Current Status: Taking a Break for 3 days or mor from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Current Status: Taking a Break for 3 days or mor
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:51:38 AM

[up] Spinoffs huh... Well this should be interesting since I P Md both Cr0w and 43110 regarding one of the works that I reserved and I need to verify the authenticity if its a Stealth Sequel or not. PM me if you want to know what the work is.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 9th 2019 at 10:53:19 AM

"Aww, don't make that pouty face... It makes me want to torment you more..." Current story that I made.
Oct 9th 2019 at 10:53:47 AM

The removing curse part after being grateful from a "thank you" note sounds like a legitmate Pet the Dog. No on Vanessa on that grounds alone.

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere.
Emperor Enkoom Evulz II
Oct 9th 2019 at 11:02:01 AM

Errr... Hard no to Vanessa. Even if we don't take in account the mitigating qualities, she's nowhere near heinous enough. Yeah, slowly turning kids into chicken is nasty...

And then what?

I'm not even sure it crosses the Moral Event Horizon (that being said, I have little to no knowledge of the book series). If a CM has done only one thing, it has to be something extremely heinous, much like the beloved Shou Tucker. Here, it isn't even close to be enough.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Oct 9th 2019 at 8:04:12 PM

Here's my Code Lyoko/Naruto fanfic.
Oct 9th 2019 at 11:10:19 AM
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KingofNightmares The Dog Amalgamate
The Dog Amalgamate
Oct 9th 2019 at 11:11:55 AM

[tdown] Balagos and Vanessa

The present does not exist - It will just be the past once even a second passes (Thanks to Troper No. 9001 for sharing this avatar)
Oct 9th 2019 at 11:12:31 AM

I have decided to table Dirglewagner and the other TNO EP until release.

Scraggle Pioneer, I guess from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Pioneer, I guess
Oct 9th 2019 at 11:20:04 AM

Mimic, at this point, you're rehashing the same arguments. That's a pretty clear sign debate had been exhausted.

Troy was voted down and discussion have moved on. Let's not go around in circles, please.

Edited by Scraggle on Oct 9th 2019 at 12:21:39 PM

miraculous I am so tired of this gothic crap from South Africa
I am so tired of this gothic crap
Oct 9th 2019 at 11:20:44 AM

Right quote vote time. So for the Monster.Simon R Green page which would you like for the page quote

"We have King Artur, of Sinister Albion. For every glorious dream, thereís a nightmare equivalent, somewhere in the time-streams. For every helping hand, a kick in the face. In Sinister Albion, Merlin Satanspawn decided to embrace his fatherís qualities instead of rejecting them, and brought up young Artur in his own awful image. Under their direction, Camelot became a place of blood and horror, where knights in terrible armour feasted on the hearts of good men, and Albion blazed from end to end with burning Wicker Men."
John Taylor on the Sinister Albion versions of King Artur and Merlin Satanspawn, The unnatural inquirer

Or perhaps

" We are everywhere. We are everyone. Or at least, everyone who matters. We supply a word here and a push there, and the world goes the way we want it to. Always remember the Creed I gave you. Words to live forever by. Greed is good. Contempt is good. Hate is good. The crushing of the weak and glorying in their plight is good. Anything that profits us is good. Because we . . . are all that matters. No one else lasts long enough to matter. They come and they go but we go on. Everyone else in the world is just there to serve us, or for us to play with. They are mayflies. We are Immortals. "
Brother Methuselah to the Family of Immortals, From Hell with love

or maybe

Believe me, Eddie, I can set off the bomb anytime I want. But I had to wait, so you could watch me do it. I need you to see the look on my face as I destroy not just your family, but your whole world as well. Iíd like to see the look on your face as you realise youíve lost everything. But you canít drop your armour now, can you? Not after what my lovely poison has done to your poor, defenceless body. Iíve seen the end results on some of my victims. Bodies riddled with cancers, twisted and deformed by the poisonís progress. Flesh rotting away from the bones . . . Whatís left of you inside that armour must be pretty high by now."
Edmund Drood, Moonbreaker

Just once, I want to meet the villain in a cheerful, brightly lit room. Possibly one with kittens
Scraggle Pioneer, I guess from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Pioneer, I guess
Oct 9th 2019 at 11:23:37 AM

I vote for Methuselah. I think Crow Lee had some good ones, but for the sake of getting one up from the three selected, Methuselah's strikes me as the best example of "pure evil with no redeeming qualities."


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