During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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All examples since my last votes
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Draxterrus is indeed correct about Spawn.
bobg: Drafts please.
Those 40K things are too short for effortposts, and Nessun & ESPECIALLY Strab are way too long for entries. Don't know about Strab, but the others might be able to get in like Lijah Cuu did.
Berkshire. I'd be a little hesitant as it seems to be a family thing, but that doesn't seem disqualifying here.
Images.
Reaper.
Before I vote on the crew: Are they just cogs? And if not, how many members are there exactly? Just the two? If it's not a whole group, sure to them as well.
Sure to Da Ji.
Hawthorne.
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Yes to Reaper, Berkshire, Da Ji and Hawthorne. Withdrawing my vote for Drakkon.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Aug 15th 2019 at 12:15:54 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Hawthorne
An Eldritch Troper
@ACW Thank you. Should we call CyberXIII here to write up Urshrek? Dude hasn't been on this thread for two weeks.
I PM'd the Effort Post template to the one who did the WH 40 K write-ups.
Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
An Eldritch Troper
I'd like to point out a character who was approved by the thread but not given a write-up. That character is Dr. Henry Miller from Dayshift at Freddy's.
This link leads to the Effort Post for Henry.
Berkshire (ew), Reaper and Hawthorne.
The Draftsman of Doom
Berkshire, Reaper, Da-Ji and Hawthorne.
I like the Joker images too.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 15th 2019 at 8:14:32 AM
"The Juice is Loose."
Yes to Berkshire, Reaper, Da-Ji and Hawthorne.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Berkshire, Reaper, Da Ji, and Hawthorne
Showtime!
to Berkshire, Reaper, Da Ji, and Hawthorne. Withdrawing my Drakkon vote
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
If that didn't work: ~CyberXIII
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
"A dip in quality," he said. "Motivation is dwindling," he said. >__>
So. Season 5 of iZombie so far is vastly better than Season 4. I'm still gonna be a day late before I finish Season 5 since I got work later today, but I'm thoroughly enjoying where this season is going now.
And yes, I may have one person to talk about, even though said person seems to have a Freudian Excuse. If not two, depending on how this season plays out.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
The MILF Virus
To all the candidates I missed. I don't know if this is just me, but I feel like we don't have as much C Ms as we have a couple of weeks ago. Nothing wrong, but just something I felt.
Yes to Berkshire, the Reaper, Da Ji, and Hawthorne. I guess I'll also retract my vote for Drakkon.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
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Wait two minutes. Lighty will pop up with another fifteen. 
I thought sharks were my friends.
New guys
Hawthorne.
to Berkshire Hathaway, Reaper, the Dai Li, Nathaniel Hawthorne and the images
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
We DO have, like, less than 10 I think so far this week.
Joker's gonna have LOTS of images now; I may tweak it a little.
- The Joker
- Work A (1)
- Work B (1), (2)
The Lord Of Walruses
to Da Ji and Hawthorne
Shin Megami Tensei IV
The Reaper and Hawthorne.
The Draftsman of Doom
ACW, is the Joker tree just going to include the comic images?
