During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Takitsu
Splitface, Brow, Itchy and Takitsu.
Alrighty, zach Snyder's doing a norse mythology based anime series for Netflix.
Who's reserving this one with me here?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Fucking Netflix...that sounds awesome 
On that note, is it possible NOBODY from Norse Mythology counts? Then again, the heinous standard is jacked up, and Surt(u(r)) is a GDV.
Edited by ACW on Jul 11th 2019 at 2:23:00 PM
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Goku Black
We have lots of versions of Loki, Surtur and Hela who count in adaptations so there's that.
Uh....I don't like Zach Snyder"s works so I'll probably avoid that
Edited by miraculous on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:24:57 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I know we have several Lokis, but Hela? I know the MCU version, and MAYBE one more. And I think the comic Surtur is the only one, isn't it?
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From norse mythology? Nobody I'm aware of. Myths can be contradictory, Loki sure as hell doesn't keep there, Surtur has no real character, most other Jotun are only evil in their opposition to Asgard and most monsters are just that.
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Loki's odd...though doesn't he go full Face–Heel Turn for Ragnarok, or am I misremembering?
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The gods bound him in the entrails of his son to hold him for the snake punishment. Granted, he did murder Baldur, but it's hard to argue Loki had no care for his child when that set him off so badly.
Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:32:28 AM
Goku Black
There's his Earths mightiest heroes and fire emblem versions as well.
Also hela has her everworld version.
Loki in the original myths If I Rember correctly also had some affection for his mother Laufey
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Those were his son's entrails? Huh, I don't remember that part. Fair enough.
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Splitface.
Brow.
Itchy.
Takitsu.
I just finished binge watching Scream: Resurrection and I am excited for the discussion in two weeks. Really looking forward to it.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Current mood: sick of your shit
Hey everyone, it's me again. I just saw that Ruby from Dark was approved as a Complete Monster. Thanks for the reads and writeups, folks! I really appreciate them.
Thanks again and PM me if you ever just wanna talk!
See ya!
Read "Ghost Stories of Remnant" here.
Gentle Laborer
To the previous baddies.
Echoing Mir on Ryoma's rewrite, which i approve.
Ultimate Moral Compass
Candidates I missed.
@Lighty: I’ll lend a hand on that Snyder anime project if you want.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Jul 11th 2019 at 12:13:41 PM
"No running in the halls!"
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Slight rewrite for Kefka, to add a pothole (and delete a current one), and get rid of parentheticals:
- Final Fantasy VI: Kefka Palazzo's backstory establishes that he was the first Magitek knight created, but the imperfections of the process drove him insane. This shows through the various acts he performs throughout the game, including arson; poisoning Doma—with deaths including Cyan's wife and son die; stabbing General Leo to death after the latter tries to stop him; killing the Espers at Thamasa—not caring about the deaths of the Magitek-armored minions accompanying him; and destroying the world halfway through the game. He seeks joy in destruction, and is prone to laughing like mad amidst the chaos. Kefka absorbs the magic from the Warring Triad, so when he is finally defeated all of the magic disappears from the world and all the espers go extinct. While he may look silly, some of his dialogue is darkly comical, and some translations give him a feigned charm and affability, his actions are portrayed in a horrific and often tragic light. He embodies despair, hatred and death.
Edited by ACW on Jul 11th 2019 at 6:08:02 AM
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Goku Black
Why is the entry so blue ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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"poisoning Doma—with deaths including Cyan's wife and son die in the process" should be "poisoning Doma—with deaths including Cyan's wife and son"
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Try it now; I forgot to close the Water Source Tampering pothole.
Yes, yes it should.
Edited by ACW on Jul 11th 2019 at 4:03:01 AM
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to Messiah, Graham "Charlie" Wetson, Alexis "Splitface" Banning, The Brow and Itchell "Itchy" Oliver.
@ACW There is also a (non-Marvel) version of Surtr that counts in the animated show Extreme Ghostbusters.
The wifi here sucks
The Arch-Douchebag
A small matter this time; Cinder Fall's entry contains an error I would like to fix:
The power Ruby uses to wound Cinder is called Silver Eyes. It has been referred to as such each time it gets mentioned in the show, or in the spinoff series, or by the writers... you get the idea. I have no clue where "White Eye" even came from. Do I have a permision to edit the entry?
Edited by Tharkun140 on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:03:49 AM
Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Yeah, let's fix that up
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Not sure if you it works, but I found an image describing Basam-Damdu's crimes.
Here (and yeah, he's the grinning face)
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