During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Showtime!
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Syrile and Tid
Yea to Tid
Anyone here going to cover Brightburn or does anyone even think the character I'm thinking of qualifies?
Personally, I think they qualify. While it's true that the "thing in the movie" is supposedly makes said character turn bad, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse and isn't treated sympathetically.
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Lighty reserved the discussion for June 7.
So... Lucifer (2016) dropped its fourth season on Netflix 2 weeks ago.
The Big Bad Father Kinley is a WIE and nothing to write home about. The Final Boss is the demon Dromos. He has one of the biggest bodycount by killing dozens of people in a church and having their bodies possessed by fellow demons. However, he does that to restore order in Hell and only commit those crimes when his plan A - simply asking Lucifer to return - fails.
Now the most despicable Monster of the Week is a bloke who leads a Human Trafficking ring. I guess I could make a quick EP for him but my concern is that we don't see much of the traffic aside from a few women being dragged out of a boat.
Edited by Silverblade2 on May 22nd 2019 at 2:57:19 PM
Syrile and Tid
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Kinley AND Dromos, interestingly, were both played by three-time CM Graham McTavish (Loki, Bertand, Zoran).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Draftsman of Doom
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Oh, yes, happy b-day DDD!
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Yee to the last two.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So, I hope to finish The Multiversity and EP Vandal (and any other possible candidates) Saturday, then write them up for the week's batch. Assuming I can finish it, I'll try to EP Brainiac Sunday or Monday, and write him up for the following week's batch. If all goes well, I'll have consecutive batches with an iconic DC CM (Darkseid, Vandal Savage, Brainiac). I'm still looking for an incarnation of Apocalypse.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Ultimate Moral Compass
Syrile and Tid
Happy Birthday, Duckman!
"No running in the halls!"
Happy Birthday, Duck!
In other news, I feel like we're going to have an unpopular cut soon. Without spoiler, redeeming a cm for the sake of a joke is kinda a new low.
Showtime!
Oh. Oh geez
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
If it's the one Mir told me about, it's...weird.
BTW, do we wanna keep Nyarly's quote as the quote for The Neverkind Saga or, since he's the image, use this one?
Showtime!
That's a good quote
Hang on a tick. Isn't the Call of Cthulhu tabletop game by Chaosium or is this a different one? Because both Wikipedia and a trailer I watched say last year's COC game was indeed an adaptation - and apparently Dark Corners of the Earth was itself officially licensed. Am I mad as the besieged Henry Akeley ought to have been?
...Anyway, ayep to weird YA!Nyarly and COBRAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Commander.
And Happy Birthday to the Duck.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
@Silverblade: ...I don't even know who you're talking about and I'm already infuriated at the thought of the writer(s) doing this to a villain. 
The Draftsman of Doom
That quote seems a little long, ACW.
Feels good, don't it?
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Happy birthday Duck!
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
HBD Duck. And Yes to those I missed
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
What happened to Lightning? Two-week rule?
Also, huh, I may've found an Apocalypse.
Edited by ACW on May 22nd 2019 at 2:36:20 PM
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Oh and if I'm late... HBD to Duck and have to admit that I overlooked your Nyarly's post Scraggs... Yes to him
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."