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• Sherlock Holmes and the Secret Weapon: Moriarty, with the series updated to be set during WW 2, has betrayed Britain to side with the Nazis. Murdering a group of scientists who each have a quarter of a genius inventor's new bombsight, Moriarty hunts the inventor down and brutally tortures him for the final piece. When unable to locate the final one, Moriarty takes the chance he has with Holmes in his clutches to try to torture the detective to death by slowly bleeding him 'drop by drop.' Intending on selling the bombsight to the Nazis, allowing them to level London, Moriarty gloats that he will commit the greatest crime in history, allowing him to profit off the deaths of countless innocents and prove himself superior to Holmes at last.

• The Keeper: The nameless 'Keeper' runs a supposed home for the mentally disturbed but in truth uses it as a scheme to make himself wealthy and powerful. Convincing them of their mental maladies, the Keeper uses a machine to painfully hypnotize them into murdering their families before killing themselves in 'accidents' and allowing him to claim their assets. When he learns of a potential threat, the Keeper subjects one of the inmates to mental torture to make him think himself a policeman and uses him to try to kill the intruder, not caring when his pawn dies in the attempt. The Keeper then proceeds to attempt to murder and torment more of his own inmates, not intending to stop until he has claimed more wealth and power than any other in history.

• The Sentinel: Friendly old Charles Chazen appears an eccentric old fellow who is, in truth, the devil himself. When the new potential guardian to the gates of hell, Alison, arrives at the apartment that rests over the gateway, Chazen attempts to kill those she loves and torture her mentally until she breaks in and kills herself. When Alison takes her place as the new Sentinel, Chazen sets his sights on the next Sentinel, Father McBride, starting a web of murder and destruction to break him. Tricking McBride into suicide and damnation, Chazen prepares to lead the legions of hell and the damned into the world to bring about the apocalypse, gloating about his intent to dethrone God and take over all creation.

• The Black Mirror: Angelina Gordon, main villain of the second game, is one of the last of the Gordon bloodline. Having been obsessed with the occult since childhood, Angelina intends to free her monstrous ancestor Mordred and legions of demons to overwhelm the earth. Ritualistically murdering multiple people to be sacrifices to the demons, including her long-lost twin brother's adoptive mother. Seducing her twin to manipulate him, with Darren unaware of their blood relation, Angelina guides him to the Gordon ancestral home of Black Mirror where she sacrifices her only ally to test the mansion's traps and attempts to murder her and Darren's birth mother before intending on opening the gates to unleash hell on earth.

• Fang of the Sun Dougram: Helmut J. LeCoque is a heartless politician from earth who serves as an aid to the hero Crinn's Anti-Villain father Donam Cashim. Continuously pushing Cashim to be more brutal with the Deloyer rebels, when Cashim finally dies, LeCoque assumes command and proceeds to make the war bloodier than ever, committing war crimes and instituting brutal internment camps for prisoners while getting countless innocents and soldiers killed. Merrily intending to escape justice by making the figurehead leader Carmel take the fall for his crimes, LeCoque orders the targeting of civilians to draw out the last of Deloyer's resistance, intending on rising to greater power no matter what he has to destroy.

• Legend of Crystania: The evil God Barbas was one of the neutral gods who fled the war between light and darkness to the land of Crystania. Intending on conquering and subjugating the rest of Crystania and the world to his power, Barbas starts a war against all the other gods using his mortal followers against their own. Tricking the heroic King Ashram into giving Barbas his body, Barbas later annihilates a village of innocents and his own soldiers just to show young prince Redon his power. After Ashram is dead, Barbas's top general Garudi follows his plans to revive Barbas by killing countless innocents to destroy the mystical Chaos Rings, ending with Barbas's return. Declaring himself the only 'true' God, Barbas kills several other Gods and begins raining death and destruction indiscriminately upon Crystania, obsessed with his own power and ego.

• A Column of Fire: Pierre Amaund is a ruthless social climber who comes to power by assisting the French Catholic church in rooting out and killing protestants. Using his fiancee Sylvie, a protestant herself, Pierre has hundreds or thousands of innocents captured, killed and burned alive, before finally going after Sylvie years later and attempts to murder her, succeeding in killing her friend Isabelle. When forced to marry a woman named Odette by the Cardinal, Pierre mistreats her horribly, even attempting to give her illegitimate child to an orphanage just to hurt her, and later murders her when he has the chance. When his power grows, Pierre has a marchioness named Louise's husband killed and takes her as a mistress where he rapes and abuses her endlessly in revenge for her once rebuking him twenty five years ago, even forcing her to serve his guests in the nude to humiliate her. Pierre conspires to assist in an invasion of England and even plots against the French king, stopping at nothing to climb ever higher while leaving his conscience far behind.

• Attack on Titan film: Commander Kubal is the true identity of the Colossal Titan. a ruthless military man who fears the loss of his power and privilege should humanity expand beyond the walls, Kubal is the one who murdered Grisha Yeager and his wife, but not ebfore stealing and taking his titan serum. Transforming later into the Colossal Titan, Kubal shatters the outermost wall to allow the titans to kill countless civilians and condemn others to poverty, disease and starvation when life in the next wall is unsustainable for the poor. When a mission comes to reclaim the lost territory, Kubal attempts to sabotage it and get the entire Survey Corps killed before trying to have Eren Yeager executed when he discovers he's Grisha's son who can also transform. A ruthless thug dedicated to preserving his power and comfort, Kubal demonstrates that he is more vile than any mindless Titan.

• Rage of the Buccaneers: The slimy, ruthless Romero is the secretary of the governor of San Salvador. Allying with the thuggish pirate Tortuga, Romero manipulates the governor into suspecting the heroic Black Buccaneer Gordon, while intending on forcibly marrying the governor's daughter. Having Tortuga massacre a ship's crew, Romero is soon revealed as the true leader of the underground slave trade where men, women and children are abducted in raids and forced into horrible labor. Romero proceeds to capture the governor and threatens to murder him if Manuela will not marry him. When Gordon interfere and finally corners Romero, Romero threatens to ignite a pile of gunpowder and kill everyone present rather than face defeat.

Speaking of entries that need fixing, there's this one that's been bugging me for a while.

• Elephantmen: Dr. Nikken, the man responsible for the program that created Hip Flask and the other Elephantmen, shows absolutely no remorse for kidnapping and killing thousands of women or for creating a race of sentient beings whose sole intended purpose was war. In fact, he's rather proud of his accomplishments.

I'm not familiar with this series, and from the entry he sounds like he counts, but this write-up is way too short and gives little context as to the specifics of his crimes.

Alright, here's the write up for Marcus!

• The Black Hearts: Marcus Black is the sadistic, psychopathic, father to Mercury Black. He was an Atlas soldier where he joined solely to kill people. He was disgraced and discharged after an assault on Vacuo. He later became an alcoholic assassin who sometimes tortured his victims for his own entertainment and sometimes for extra pay. He regularly beat his wife, Melanie, and beat Mercury mostly out anger and sadism. When Melanie only wanted him to eat dinner before abruptly leaving for a job, he beat her after she decided to argue with him about it and took Mercury with him. On that job, the targe had his daughter with him and he held her at gunpoint with the intent to kill simply because she was a witness. But not before forcing Mercury to kill her father right in front of her, despite his own son's protests to at least kill her first so she didn't have to watch her father die. After living in the mountains, Mercury finally snaps at Marcus and calls him a horrible father and a disgrace of a soldier. This prompts him to ruthlessly attempt to murder his own son "free of charge." He never cared one bit about his family and did many horrible things without remorse.

Oh, Nikken counts alright from memory, but yeah... his entry understates him. I wouldn't mind giving him a full EP to clarify things fully.

I was gonna sift through all of Elephantmen once the final issue was released and change Nikken's current entry.

Oh, no qualms there. Know when the series is concluding?

One week.

.......Actually, let me jot my name down on the Discussion Dates page.

Pretty sure it was. That being said, from what I've read of the series so far? Dr. Nikken definitely qualifies.

edited 24th Jan '18 7:42:13 PM by Tyk5919

That Elephantmen entry just screams that it was written during the earlier years of the trope

Yeah I'm going to take the side of percussion and lean towards no for Canavagh. He does sound like an evil prick but he doesn't sound heinous enough if you compare him to the likes of Maxwell Roth and Jack the Ripper, which is frustrating for me that Jack can't qualify because of his quality about his mother.

Cavanaugh.

Well, as I'm recovering and can't work, work out or exercise, I've got a shit load of time on my hands.

Here's one of the many movies I've crushed by productively using it:

What's the work?

Oblivion is a 2013 post-apocalyptic action film starring Tom Cruise. In it, he plays engineer Jack Harper, who lives on Earth in the year 2077, along with his wife, the duo being the last people on the planet while everyone else has gone to space in the "Tet", a space station meant to take people to a moon of Jupiter now that Earth's been rendered inhospitable thanks to the invading Scavengers, who destroyed the Moon, resulting in catastrophic damage to the planet. As Jack and his wife, Victoria or "Vica", they are responsible for defending structures and machinery left by the "Tet". However, things start to show they aren't as they seem when Jack saves a woman whose crew is killed by the Tet's drones and he runs into a group of Scavengers who reveal they aren't aliens but humans being hunted by the drones.

Who is "Sally"? What has she done?

The A.I. behind the Tet who, surprise, surprise, isn't so friendly after all. It's M.O. being to plunder planets for their natural resources before destroying them, obviously killing all life on the planet in question as it does so. 60 years ago, Sally destroyed the moon to kill the people of Earth and lessen resistance to it taking the planet's resources. After the war, she captured Jack and Vica, making thousands of clones of Jack to use as slave-like warriors forced to fight against humanity. Spending the next 50 years having Jack and Vica work to repair the very machines she uses to slaughter humans, almost killing Jack when he comes across the path of her drones.

Falsely claiming she will allow Jack and Vica to join the rest of humanity on the space voyage, Sally routinely wipes their memories to ensure they will never become disloyal. When the Scavengers get Jack to see through its deception, he and his wife hatch a plan to destroy the Tet. Attacking the Scavenger base with its drones, Sally kills many of them. When Jack and the Scavenger leader make their way to the Tet, Sally tries to convince them to let her live, proclaiming herself to be Jack's god, though they both heroically give their lives to destroy the mechanical monstrosity.

Heinousness?

Not only is she the only villain but her pattern of planetary destruction zooms her over any baseline.

Mitigating factors?

First up, agency. She doesn't have the world's most complex personality but Sally is a happily manipulative liar who greedily takes the lifesource of planets without any care for the damage she causes and even calls herself a god to Jack.

Secondly, she offers to spare the lives of Jack and his wife in the climax if they don't kill her but this is obvious bullshit. Even if she didn't kill them right away, Sally was going to lead to the destruction of their homeworld.

Verdict

Was unsure at first but I'm thinking keep now.

I... never recalled Sally as a keep myself given the weird nature of what she actually is, but I'm leaning a (very tentative) yea for now.

If she counts? This is going to make the fourth work under the name of "Oblivion" to get a qualifier.

'Yes' to Sally, I think.

Now then, got us film candidates from myself tonight....a duo, to be precise.

What's the work?

The Doctor and the Devils is a 1985 film starring Timothy Dalton, Patrick Stewart, and....Twiggy (>_>) based on a true story.

Our story follows one Dr. Thomas Rock (Dalton), a famous anatomist during the 18th century who is seeking new ways to examine the human body to further scientific research, however the lack of bodies that aren't decayed by the time he gets his hands on them through normal routes leaves his research stalled.

Refusing to waver, Rock decides to employ more....dirty tactics, putting up bounties for corpses brought to him, expecting some vagrants looking to make a quick buck to do some grave robbing and bring him some recently buried corpses.

Unfortunately for all and sunder, two men decide to take up Rock on his offer and bring him fresh corpses....VERY fresh....

Who are they?

Timothy Broom and Robert Fallon (The latter played by the PERFECTLY villainous actor Jonathan Pryce) are the two main villains of the story. A pair of dirty, oft-drunk thugs who wander the streets mugging and intimidating for extra cash to buy more alcohol and prostitutes with, Fallon and Broom eventually learn of Rock's "corpse bounties," and quickly decide to make extra cash in a more....murderous way.

What have they done?

Fallon and Broom are introduced as they brutalize and intimidate people left and right for cash all while merrily swigging away at their alcoholic drinks. When they learn of Rock's paying for corpses, the duo attempt to dig up some corpses from a cemetery to no avail.

Later cornering one of their debtees, an extremely sick, bedridden man, Fallon comes up with the brilliant idea to get Rock REALLY fresh corpses, and suffocates the sick man with a pillow. Broom, though at first freaking out, quickly realizes Fallon's thought process and assists him in trading in the corpse to Rock for a sizable amount of money.

Realizing they've hit the jackpot, Broom and Fallon begin a routine....finding homeless or fairly lonely people, they "befriend" the person, lure them to their hideout, then suffocate them with a pillow. When their landlord tries to rent their hideout to a small family, Broom beats the landlord before threatening her life as well as giddily terrifying the family's small daughter.

Though Rock is rather suspicious of the whole thing regarding the corpses the duo bring him, he ignores the implications of Broom and Fallon bringing him so many fresh corpses.

A dozen people later? Broom and Fallon are living it up, spending their nights partying and drinking. Luring in their latest victim, an elderly, senile woman who they trick into following them to find her lost brother, Fallon and Broom try to suffocate her, only for Fallon to freak out as she survives and strangle her with his bare hands.

Broom outraged that they now can't sell the body because she has marks on her neck, the duo dump the corpse in a sewer then go about their business, later taking two hookers back to their hideout for fun.

When Broom learns that the police have caught onto Rock and the duo, he orders Fallon to pack up so they can leave. However Fallon, now addicted to feeling a person die in his hands, tries to get Broom to help him kill the two hookers, Jen and Alice. A disturbed Broom ditches Fallon, leaving Fallon to murder Alice then corner Jen.

As Fallon tries to murder Jen while simultaneously beating her and forcing himself on her, Broom rats out Fallon's location to Jen's sort-of boyfriend, who promptly saves Jen and takes down Broom and Fallon.

Broom proceeds to instantly demand an audience with the governor, at which point he cuts a deal and pins everything on Fallon, leaving Fallon to be executed.

A blubbering, pathetic Fallon is hanged while begging for mercy and trying to talk his way out of his death, and we last see Broom as he laughs at Fallon's hanging body and mocks the idea that he regrets anything he has done before walking off into the night.

Rock is ousted and, though not being formally tried for his implication in mass murder, he is ostracized and left to wallow in his regret and pity at what he allowed to happen by willfully ignoring the obvious crimes of Fallon and Broom.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?

None for either man. Both put on charming masks of men who just like to drink and sleep around, but they in truth are brutal thugs who can and will assault and/or murder innocents at the drop of a hat.

They have no care for each other, as while they are highly chummy together and treat each other as friends, both have zero problem screaming at or threatening the other, and Broom ultimately sells out Fallon and laughs about it.

Finally, though it may sound like Broom has standards? He really doesn't. He freaks out at first when Fallon kills their first victim, but he instantly gets over it and realizes how much money they can make, and later, when Fallon tries to murder the hookers just for fun, Broom proclaims he's a "mad bastard" who would "kill me too if you got the chance," but this is pragmatism more than anything. Broom just realizes that Fallon's a lunatic who enjoys killing and could get them both caught, while Broom truly just cares about money.

Heinousness?

The only truly evil characters in the story, with over a dozen murders to their name and numerous other counts of abuse or attempted murder.

The only real issue to discuss is whether they BOTH count. The duo share most of their crimes, however Fallon has the added bit of trying to murder two hookers for fun (succeeding in one's case) and starting their spree, while Broom has numerous extra bits of brutalizing innocents, threatening people, and ultimately betraying Fallon and getting him hanged while laughing at it.

If I had to pick, I'd say Fallon is the worse one here, as his explicit motive of just enjoying killing is played pretty nasty, but Broom still has quite a bit of nastiness to him as well, so it's up to the thread here.

Final Verdict?

I'd say Fallon's an easy Keeper, while Broom is a bit more uncertain. I'd probably lean towards keeping him, but will understand if only Fallon is upvoted.

edited 24th Jan '18 11:17:08 PM by Ravok

to Fallon, Broom, and Sally

I lean to keeping the both of them... given Broom's dickass betrayal of his partner? It seems sort of a Ray and Albert thing here.

Also, is it just more or could I totally see these two filling in for John Gray (or, hell, even Burke and Hare... which appears to be the story this is based on)?

edited 24th Jan '18 11:24:59 PM by Scraggle

]Fallon, Broom and Sally

Cavanaugh

So how about this quote for light yagami from the live action film series:

Ryuk: You're a devil in disguise. [...] Light, you know what? You're far worse than a god of death.

edited 25th Jan '18 12:16:45 AM by miraculous

Not feeling it. Comes off as more You Monster!.

By the way the live action death note movies now have there own page. Could the pothole in film section be changed to a link to that page instead of the manga.

It's called Death Note Series

edited 25th Jan '18 12:25:59 AM by miraculous

Sally, Fallon and Broom.

Dragon Ball Foghterz comes out tomorrow. I'll do my best to get through the main story and other relevant story bits needed to make a good discussion.

After watching the episode "Brothers", I think Lore from Star Trek: The Next Generation should be disqualified as a Complete Monster. While his actions throughout the series are EASILY enough to send him over the Moral Event Horizon, he expresses grief that his creator is dying (The information is enough to get him to stay with Soon and Data), showing that he does care for the man on some level. And he even implies regret over the monster that he is with the line: "You could have fixed me!". Suggesting he knows what a monster he is and actually considers himself defective because of it.

So while he IS a monster, I don't think he's a COMPLETE Monster.

Heres the discussion on when lore was approved:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=432

I'd like to hear from other people familiar with this show as I just started to watch it.

To be honest though I kinda lean cut as it seems that well he may not care for his brother per say, he does seem to have an Alas, Poor Villain death.

edited 25th Jan '18 1:09:48 AM by miraculous

While I'm not necessarily inclined to believe that redeeming quality in particular holds up, Lore's final moments have always struck me as a reason to cut him. I brought it up way back and I don't think it ever went anywhere.

Scraggle: The 4th you say? You've got Oblivion (1994); The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion; and,,,what am I forgetting?

Tentative for Sally.

both Broom and Fallon. This makes the third CM, at least, for Pryce (he played Elliot Carver and was also Zartan in the GI Joe movies).

One more from the final book of Power of Five.