During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Messenger from another dimension.
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I agree. ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Frakes.
Lizzid people!
Wasn't he establishing a pattern, though? That was what he was evaluated on.
edited 24th Jan '16 10:06:54 AM by AustinDR
If it's any consolation, in this version, Whis states that rewinding time uses up a lot of energy, and after using it once, he cannot use it again until some time has passed and he has recovered his energy. Because of this and the fact that he can only go back three minutes, it is specified that if Goku screwed up this second chance that Whis was giving him... Well, then Frieza really would have won.
jjj
No more of a pattern than Barkis Bittern, who unlike Frakes actually did kill someone. Tbh, I wouldn't call such a standard action of trying to kill the heroes as proof of being enough of a pattern to count.
edited 24th Jan '16 10:28:03 AM by username2527
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
BTW, if Judge Cal DOES count, it might not be a bad idea to give Dredd its own subpage, as that'll be 4 comic examples and the 2 film ones.
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Wild Child
Who will replace Judge Death as the poster image, then?
Why so serious?
Given that comic books are a visual media, it shouldn't be too hard to find a replacement.
I'm honestly neutral on Frakes at this point; I brought him up ages ago on the behest on someone else, and it really seems what made him was the implications. If the implications aren't strong enough? Cut. If they are? I'm not really leaning to one side or the other.
edited 24th Jan '16 11:42:01 AM by Scraggle
Why do we keep with the subpage stuff? Seriously, you know how most people fall on that. It's not helpful.
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I'm just saying. And yeah, shouldn't be too hard to find a new image IF WE NEED TO.
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Wild Child
I know it's only been like 13 hours, but seriously, there are already four ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
votes to 0 votes, and A New Man took the words right out of my mouth when he said that at this point, we all know what Frieza is. So, hee is a rough draft write up:
- Resurrection F Arc: Frieza is even ''more'' of a monster in this re telling of Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection 'F'. After Tagoma suggests that Frieza forget about the Saiyans, Frieza critically injures him and forcefully makes him his "sparring partner" for his training, torturing Tagoma to the brink of death every day for the next four months. After reaching Earth, Frieza tells his men that whoever kills Krillin will get their own planet, knowing how much Krillin means to Goku. Frieza tortures Gohan by shooting him with energy beams, and is highly amused when Piccolo gets in the way of the blasts to save Gohan. When Frieza hears that Gohan has a family, he promises to kill them too, and orders Ginyu to kill Goten and Trunks. When Goku arrives, Frieza states that after he destroys Earth, he will destroy New Namek as well so there is no way to undo his evil acts. Before fighting Goku, Frieza kills all his minions just to demonstrate his power. Frieza fires blasts at Goku's friends just to distract him. Just like in the movie, he tries to destroy Earth when he finds himself cornered.
edited 24th Jan '16 12:24:08 PM by bobg
jjj
We went over Cal before—he's far too bonkers to qualify. The man talks to fish, imagines past Chief Judges tormenting him, and actually thinks the law of gravity is his to control.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
he also seems to genuinely like his alien mercenaries.
That image of the Plutonian doesn't work. That's when Tony was more of a hero beating up his nemesis Ma Damage
Wild Child
Oh, I just assumed that was some random guy he was killing.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Now, here's one
◊ of the Plutonian that seems like it may count.
bobg, please add Super!Frieza here.
edited 24th Jan '16 12:29:17 PM by ACW
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@Scraggle, they say that Frakes has exploited others for money and then threw them to the sharks once they are done with them but it never goes beyond simple statements of such. We never even see any bones in their boat to at least somewhat move out offscreen villainy. So yeah I vote for Frakes which makes it 2-3 counting the votes from the last discussion.
edited 24th Jan '16 12:33:40 PM by username2527
I explicitly remember at least five people voting up Frakes. Probably six. If one of those was mine, you can essentially retract it because I have no lean one way or the other now.
edited 24th Jan '16 2:49:52 PM by Scraggle
I just checked their were 5 votes including yours making it 4-3.
Anyone else have any thoughts on Frakes?
to Kwong. Abstaining on Malik and Hobie.
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I think I remember Hobie, and not being sure. I'm still not sure. Look at the other 5:
- A petty Serial Killer.
- A petty duo (who themselves only count because of their threatening a child).
- A Domestic Abuser who threatens to Groin Attack his own 5-year-old-daughtr.
- Serial pedophiles who have killed dozens of kids.
- A Snuff Film director responsible for at least a couple hundred CruelAndUnusualDeaths.
I think we should add to Master Xenanort's writeup that he (and by extension all his incarnations except ASOD) are fond of the Wounded Gazelle Gambit which makes him even more vile given that he tricks people (like Terra) into feeling pity for him and then snags their hearts with no remorse, similar to Dahlia Hawthorne.
What do you guys think?
I think we should wait for KHIII before we do anything with Master X. It's the end of his arc and some of the press release stuff has actually vaguely hinted at a sympathetic motive for him.
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How the hell is the 11th game just KH 3? 
Not to open up a can of spilled beans or anything but I just finished watching Jumping Ships and I have some concerns on whether or not Frakes is really heinous enough. Sure he's implied to be a Serial Killer but he has no confirmed body-count, we never even see him kill anyone or any skeletons or whatnot. The only other thing he does is the standard "trying to kill the heroes". Sure one of the heroes is a child but trying to kill the Kid Hero is certainly not unheard of in Disney.
I also looked at the discussions on him, only about two people voted. I don't know he doesn't strike me as a strong candidate, I think we might need to revote.