During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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He says he's going to kill her, but not for a while. Strongly implying he's going to torture her. Nahadoth's not a rapist.
Goku Black
Isn't this a work by n k jemisen ?
I doubt she'd have something like that ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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to Putana and Scimina.
Scimina.
Showtime!
The Moron
Yes to Putana and Scimina
No to Dreyfuss. Even if it’s horrific and brutal, a single murder comes nowhere near the heinous standard
Goku Black
Okay so I checked. Sources are kinda contradictory. Basically from what I've gathered since Krishna is well God, contact with him purified her.
prabhupada went with this from the translation.
Make of th is what you will ?
Edited by miraculous on Apr 15th 2021 at 6:30:32 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
yeah researching her was a bit of a pain because of that since I didn’t know what to make of it. Cultural differences, maybe?
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yep
Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 15th 2021 at 7:11:14 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So Ravana, possibly the biggest Big Bad of Hinduism (or at least one of the most famous), cares for his brother? Huh.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
to Scimina, Putnah
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to Dreyfuss
Yes to Scimina and Putana.
The Emperor of Evil!
So I went into my way to watch the sequels of Howard Lovecraft and the Frozen Kingdom to see if Nyarlathotep is a keep, and yeah he seems like he does enough to count, burning a man alive for failing him, forced Cthulhu to destroy a populated planet, therefore, killing everyone in it and trying to destroy the Earth. Originally Dooslayer was gonna do it but he lets me do Nyarlathotep instead, so I'm doing him a favor and sparing him in watching those god awful films
The only issue with Nyarlathotep counting is that he often calls Azathoth father on a few occasions, in Undersea Kingdom, he threw a one-off line saying "Azathoth will be free! I promise I will free you, father and Thu Thu Hmong (Cthulhu) will make that happen!". Watching Kingdom of Madness I'm not sure if this was explored upon beyond him calling him father but I worried this might be a potential mitigating factor on his character.
It wasn't because Abdul outlived his usefulness, Nyarlathotep killed him because Abdul failed to give him Cthulhu who is named "spot" in this one (yes you heard that right they had the balls to all the destroyer of worlds "Spot")
Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 15th 2021 at 11:42:54 AM
Woagh
To back up Powermaster here, indeed the "promise" line is dropped by the third movie. He also only says "Promise", not "promised", reading more like "I swear to god i'm gonna unleash this mindless death god if it kills me". Also, Azathoth is still the same mindless Idiot Sultan he usually is, so why would he care for a mindless force of nature?
Another possible quality, for anyone curious, is that he manages to sway a future Howard to his side by promising to send him back in time to have a normal childhood... only for the second movie showing him killing Abdul, who he promised to take to the Dream Lands, once he's outlived his usefulness. It's also implied that the Bad Future Future Howard comes from is one Nyarly caused, and since he's manipulating him to cause it again...
Yeah, safe to say he's bullshitting.
Still broke the promise either way.
Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Apr 15th 2021 at 9:05:29 AM
NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE
EDIT: Will repost later
Edited by Silverblade2 on Apr 15th 2021 at 5:58:31 PM
The Emperor of Evil!
Sure to Aker
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Please, trim that. Over 2000 words. What are the worst of his worst actions?
Also, another work cut short? 
Based on the EP, I think I’ll say to Putana given some further thought.
@Lighty I might vote later. Sorry.
I might reserve Organized Crime if no one else has. We’ll see what happens.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Apr 15th 2021 at 9:02:33 AM
RJ Savoy
Has there been discussion of the Captain ("played" by Pete) in the Disney short The Prince and the Pauper? I can make a case that he fits, but I would like to know if this has come up before.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
The wifi here sucks
yes to Putana and Scimina, no to Dreyfus (one brutal murder isn't enough to stand out in a series like GTA)
The Nyarlathotep thing doesn't sound mitigating to me.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
The Draftsman of Doom
Sure to Scim.
Feels good, don't it?
I have my doubts, so maybe run it by us before making an EP
Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 15th 2021 at 10:25:21 AM
The Emperor of Evil!
Any thoughts on my case with Nyarlathotep, including the argument Doodslayer made against his potential mitigating factor?
The guy gets a pretty humiliating defeat (I remember one of my books showing him having his pants pulled down), that might be a hinderance.
Lizzid people!
Don't really see how it's mitigating.
Putana and Scimina.
