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- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Okay now I found a few more for my appeal portfolio (to lift my 1 year editing suspension), I'll be adding the links to both forums and the replies to the forums to show I've been participating in and my CM proposal:
My queries:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=133270&type=ykts
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132453&type=ykts
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130243&type=ykts
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=129600&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=129956&type=att
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=133270&type=ykts
My replies:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=133432&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=133407&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=133191&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132852&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132730&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132551&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132448&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132038&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=131667&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=131682&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=131485&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=131128&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130820&type=ykts
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=131147&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130861&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130797&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130791&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130689&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130659&type=lnf
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130524&type=lnf
My CM Proposal (I am trying to look for the original one so for now this was my writeup draft):
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16738556630a78599000&page=1549#comment-38702
Edited by Rm74 on Apr 24th 2024 at 9:37:31 AM
Milady
Once more, I apologize for my incivility. I promise to do the right thing and report rude behavior instead of snapping back them. May I please be allowed to edit again?
Please see Weblinks Are Not Examples, in addition. Acknowledgement is one thing, but we would like people to demonstrate understanding of the rules before letting them go do whatever they want on the wiki. Let's go back to the entry brought up here. How would you rewrite it so it's no longer a Zero-Context Example? Post the new version in this thread.
- Yamato Nadeshiko: Her actual self dresses in this manner, which is a stark contrast to her cognition's Phantom Thief attire's more aristocratic look.
~Nara Numas appeal
Better. Please be aware that we expect folks to follow the rules even when tired, and we hope that this won't recur. Your suspension is released.
~Big Bad Shadow 25 appeal
We will hold you to that, as well as the rest of the forum rules. Your suspension is released.
~Lord Araghast appeal
Correct on both counts. Crosswicking means that a properly-written is added to both the work and the trope page. This is beneficial for a variety of reasons, so we want people to follow this rule.
Since you seem to get it, your suspension is released — but note that we are expecting that these slip-ups won't happen again.
~Shinn Bidan appeal
That's much better Example Indentation — one bullet point for game-> game, another bullet point for game -> adaptations, and another separate one for game -> remake.
We'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that these recent indexing/grammar slip-ups are from carelessness/forgetfulness. We do expect tropers to follow the rules regardless of mental circumstances, so please be more careful editing in the future. Your suspension is released.
~Beast C appeal
We are expecting you to revise the entry brought up here with proper Example Indentation before you can be released.
- That said, he is way more careless with maintaining his Secret Identity than his other younger selves: within one month of being Spider-Man he's caught with his pants down when his daughter walks in on him eating ice cream in full costume. Meanwhile, both 616 and 1610 Peters were able to hide their identities much better and much longer.
The One Guy No One Wants To Be Around
A bit of a moot point since somebody already wrote up a more detailed version of that entry in Persona 5: The Phantom X, but okay.
- Yamato Nadeshiko: Yuki's real-world self dresses in this manner, wearing a purple kimono with her hair tied up in a braid-like manner while speaking politely to Wonder and Yaoling when meeting them at the Shibuya Train Station, contrasting the more Western aristocratic look of her Phantom Idol-self.
~Tropers/DRCEQ appeal
The time period is less relevant than the fact that you clearly knew the edit was a recurring point of dispute but kept readding it. We don't care how you feel about this particular work, we care that you know how to resolve editing conflicts and apply this knowledge in the future.
So in case you haven't yet, please read Edit War then answer the question posed:
~Sergeant Bane appeal
Knowing why an example is Zero-Context Example is one thing, especially if it's being pointed out, but if you we want to be sure that you can write properly contextualized examples. So can you rewrite these additions so they have the information you clarified was missing?
- "Back to Camera" Pose: Present in this poster.
- Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: Great job on helping Jusn find out what activates his powers, there, Sponson. [1]
- The Lancer: Izogie and Amenza seem to function as Co-Lancers to Nanisca. [2]
~Comrade Tom appeal
All right, your suspension is released.
~MJ Trooper appeal
Correct. The discussion should also come to an agreement before any readditions or redeletions are done. Can you give a couple of places on this website where you can discuss these disputes (as listed on Edit War)?
~surgoshan appeal
All right, please demonstrate your understanding of the rules. Here are examples with bad Example Indentation that I pulled from Tsundere.Anime And Manga. Can you rewrite them so they have correct indentation? Post your revisions here.
- Major: Kaoru Shimizu is generally a very sweet and kind girl, but her tsun side really flares up when she's around Goro. As the series advances, and especially after they finally begin dating each other her dere side takes over.
- The sequel, Major 2nd has Mutsuko Sakura, who is also a dere type by default, but sometimes Daigo gets on her nerves by being clueless to her feelings and insensitive.
- Alicia Melchiott of the Valkyria Chronicles anime adaptation has this early on, complete with calling her love interest Welkin "baka"! Of course, she only switches to tsundere mode at specific instances and she definitely mellows out.
- Similarly, whenever we see Edy Nelson, another member of Squad 7, she's beating up on poor Homer. She's definitely more tsuntsun, though.
- Those two characters are also the ones with the most well defined Girlish Pigtails. Coincidence?
~Tropers/Aipom-pom appeal
Additionally, reiterating that you were thumped before the suspension. We treat these as warnings and so if someone doubles down on the behavior that got them thupmed, that's a major red flag. Rudeness has been an issue with you previously so don't expect another chance if you're flagrantly rude again. Your suspension is released.
~Tropers/twofacetoo appeal
You're demanding that we see things from your POV, and you say that this is not the case, but you're asking that we expect to agree with "I was justified in acting way too rudely actually". That's, um, not a good sign. Still, you are correct that this thread is where we talk things out, so let's do that.
Yes. This Is a Wiki
Nobody has said you cannot contest a deletion. In fact that's preferable to simply adding it back. But we expect you to do it civilly and within proper discussion avenues.
Again, you're being overly defensive. Ask The Tropers was simply cited as a place where you can have the aforementioned civil discussions.
That tells us that you still feel like you were personally victimized by the notifiers that were being sent out. Take a look at that page. They are all standard and written fairly neutrally by design. They inform you that rules were broken and point you to places where you might improve your editing. Do you honestly think that means your skills are being insulted?
The bottom line is that this is an online wiki. The goal isn't to have "ownership" over one's edits and protect them from deletion, it is to have a nice, readable website with examples that follow the rules and tropers that know how to work together when it comes to accomplishing that. That does mean edits will be changed or removed if they don't fit the mission-vision statement. Please keep that in mind.
~Filip 04 appeal
That resolution is one thing, but we're reminding you that this is your second forum suspension in a short period of time, as you were previously suspended for posting about your wiki suspension on the forums. If you are suspended from the forums again (especially in the near future), another chance might not be in reach. Do you have any questions about the wiki or forum rules?
Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 23rd 2024 at 6:16:50 AM
The Neutral One
I can go to a forum dedicated to the subject like this one, talk about it on the discussion page, send a polite PM to the person who disagrees with me over how to resolve this, or discuss it on Ask The Tropers, preferably with the other tropers with me.
Edited by MJTrooper on Apr 23rd 2024 at 1:01:34 AM
Personally, I'd prefer if the 'net was a little friendlier, but you know the GIFT...
~Synchronicity Understood the warning. I checked the rules, and I know things that I shouldn't do in the future. I will now keep myself away from the troubles by not bumping posts and writing my crazy ideas on This Very Wiki.
I hope that my post was honest and my suspension will be lifted over.
Edited by Filip04 on Apr 23rd 2024 at 11:50:24 AM
Then I have no idea what I'm supposed to do here. When I came to ask about getting my permissions back, I was asked outright if I had anything to say 'before we continue', which I used as an opportunity to try and explain WHY I reacted the way I did, citing the blunt manner of the notifiers and the rudeness of the messages I'd received as giving me a bad impression of their purpose, in the hope that someone might at least be willing to see what happened from my perspective and agree that, if nothing else, the messages I received could MAYBE have been handled better by the people who sent them, and that was all.
I was even clear in both my first AND second responses that I am aware there was no justification for my rudeness, nor was I trying to find one. I was simply trying to establish some kind of middle-ground on the matter, that while I was in the wrong my actions could at least be seen in a fairer light considering the bluntness and hostility of the notifiers and messages I'd received in the past. If I just came in and said 'Fine I'm sorry permissions now?', nobody would believe a word of it, and quite rightly. I was asked if I had anything to say, so I took the opportunity to give my side of the story on the matter.
But everything I said was completely disregarded, nobody thought to advise me on what I should do if I actually DO feel threatened or hurt by another member's private message, and to make it worse I was accused of 'lashing out' at people in cases where it didn't actually happen, outright making up things I never did. If what I had to say wasn't important, why was I asked if I had anything to say in the first place?
I don't consider myself an aggressive person. Even here, I've gone out of my way to be as civil about this as I can be. I haven't spam-posted begging to be given my permissions back, I haven't gone hounding moderators in private messages, I haven't taken to Reddit to complain about how unfair things are... I've made my points and waited patiently for responses, day after day, in the hope that someone might be willing to at least consider what I've said. When all the mods were busy at once, I was willing to wait patiently and quietly for my turn to be spoken to. Even in those posts themselves, I didn't DEMAND anybody do anything, I only asked if anyone was willing to see this from my perspective before things were discussed any further. (Please note, this is not a 'look how good I've been' display, this is a 'this is who I actually am' statement.)
But if that's not the case, and nobody is willing to hear me out, then I genuinely have no idea what I'm supposed to do. If I just say 'I'm sorry', nobody's going to believe it, but if I try and actually explain myself, nobody's going to believe it either. So what am I supposed to do here? It feels like it's lose-lose, whatever I pick.
Edited by twofacetoo on Apr 23rd 2024 at 1:47:58 AM
- Major and its sequel Major 2nd give us several examples.
- Kaoru Shimizu of Major is generally a very sweet and kind girl, but her tsun side really flares up when she's around Goro. As the series advances, and especially after they finally begin dating each other her dere side takes over.
- The sequel has Mutsuko Sakura, who is also a dere type by default, but sometimes Daigo gets on her nerves by being clueless to her feelings and insensitive.
- The Valkyria Chronicles anime adaptation has a few instances of this, each with Girlish Pigtails. Coincidence?
- Alicia Melchiott gives us this early on, complete with calling her love interest Welkin "baka"! Of course, she only switches to tsundere mode at specific instances and she definitely mellows out.
- Similarly, whenever we see Edy Nelson, another member of Squad 7, she's beating up on poor Homer. She's definitely more tsuntsun, though.
Very well. I understand now. I should have and should STILL take the discussion to the discussion page, directly to the troper who I am engaging in an Edit War in private messages, take it to the proper forums, or to Ask The Tropers for others to weigh in.
"If you think an edit war may be about to start, use the various communication systems we provide to talk it out. These include:
- The article's Discussion page. If you use this, please leave an edit reason saying so, because most people won't think to look there first.
- A private message to the troper with whom you are having the disagreement. Needless to say, this works best if there's only one other person involved.
- Ask The Tropers. This is a public venue for general wiki questions. It's better still if you send a PM or leave an edit reason asking the other troper(s) to come there with you.
- The forums, such as Trope Talk (for trope disagreements) or Wiki Talk (for other articles). Some tropes and work pages also have dedicated cleanup threads in Short- or Long-Term Projects.
- If someone is repeatedly vandalizing an article or is not responding to your attempts to engage them, use the "Report Page" button in the sidebar to send a message directly to the staff, or post in Ask The Tropers."
For the record: When you initially asked "How can you avoid an edit war in the future if you disagree with someone's change to your entry and want to revert it? Edit reasons, as noted, do not count as discussion." — This sounded like a rhetorical question. I did not know you were actually asking me for an answer.
I understand now.
Edited by DRCEQ on Apr 26th 2024 at 6:04:15 AM
Milady
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
~Aipom-pom — It looks like there was a bit of a delay between when the previous mod post said your suspension would be released and when your suspension was actually released. It looks like that's been fixed.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 23rd 2024 at 9:11:07 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
So, I know that you guys added those new features to prevent people like me from causing slip-ups as it makes it easier to explain what we are doing. But somehow, it all just stopped working for me. What happened? What did I do this time?
Oh I was little confused and wondered how I was supposed to fix it while I was still suspended, sorry:
- Adaptational Dumbass:
- Downplayed in that while not exactly a moron, this Peter seems less scientifically inclined than most other Peter Parkers. It’s heavily implied that Peter’s interest in science phased out after not being bitten by the spider, considering how much of his Teen Genius knowledge was applied to his crime fighting, most famously his web-shooters and his spider-tracers.
- He is, however, way more careless with maintaining his Secret Identity than his other younger selves: within one month of being Spider-Man he’s caught with his pants down when his daughter walks in on him eating ice cream in full costume. Meanwhile, both 616 and 1610 Peters were able to hide their identities much better and much longer.
The law in the night
I'd like to see if my OTC restriction can be lifted. It has been two months since the restriction and I'd like to appeal for allowing posting content back.
It was my most frequent used section on the forums, specially regarding topics on law enforcement, military subjects and technology.
I see that having a brash tone on hot topics isn't what this community tolerates and I believe I can self moderate over controversial topics more effectively and not get my emotions take away the best of me.
Edited by AngelusNox on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:38:14 PM
Inter arma enim silent leges
~Tropers/pittsburghmuggle appeal
It depends on the issue, but not this thread. Some are Ask The Tropers concerns, others are Wiki Talk concerns, and still others go elsewhere. Now back to the topic...
This is despite a previous suspension for the same issue. Suspensions are supposed to emphasize the rules, so we don't really like seeing someone in here for the same mistake multiple times. Why did this become a problem again?
~Tropers/Spellbrand appeal
To be clear, you are suspended not only from the TLP, but also the forums and private messages, because you were rude in response to people trying to correct your behavior.
This wiki is a collaborative process. Yes, that includes your drafts, and yes, there is a nonzero chance someone else will take over them. If your privileges in the above areas are restored, we will expect you to play nice with other tropers going forward and tone down your combative wording ("have some common sense"? Really?). Do you understand this?
~Tropers/Rya appeal
We have asked you multiple times how to avoid Edit Warring. All you have to do is read that page and summarize it here. But if you are not able to do that this appeal will be denied.
~Spaceman Spoof appeal
Do you think that calling the COVID-19 pandemic restrictions two months ago an example of Apocalypse Anarchy, with phrasing like "overblown by [the left]", is factual and neutral? It's true, some of the edits brought up were pretty old...but this one suggests it's still a pattern that needed discussing.
~Tropers/Luigitehplumber appeal
When you are ready, we would like you to rewrite the entry brought up so that it follows the rules (Example Indentation, Natter, Examples Are Not Recent, other things in How to Write an Example). Post your revision here.
- Challenge also frequently broadcast episodes of the series, occasionally taking it off. Nowadays as of 2024, this has been averted (see below)
Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:37:29 PM
A cycle of posts, cancellations, re-posts, etc.
Okay so I might have greatly misunderstood what I was suspended for. I legitimately did not think you suspended people for improper usage of indention.
I guess I will need to be more careful about that and pay attention to how its formatted from now on.
the look of someone who just had suspension
Dear TV Tropes Moderation Team:
I believe that I will not be returning to the On-Topic Conversations forum ever again - there has been nothing but bad news that saps away my will to recover.
It's a long road to recovery, and I really don't want anything getting in my way of my mental health - I already have enough obstacles and stress as is.
Do you, by any chance, have any way to continue my suspension on On-topic Conversations after my suspension on the forum are lifted?
Signed,
Cordite-455
i did a bad thing / i regret the thing i did / and you're wondering what it is / tell you what i did / i did a bad thing
Pittsburghmuggle
I realize there was a previous suspension... 10 years ago. I have indexed many pages since, and acknowledge I dropped the ball here. Again, I apologize. I don't know why I didn't index those pages. Maybe I got called away from the computer. Maybe I was editing late at night and was tired. I'M A HUMAN BEING AND MAKE MISTAKES. I'm not making drunken posts, or inciting edit wars or arguing over content.
I've been helping to improve this site for over 14 years. I talk about the site offline, and mention it on social media.
I'm 50 years old. This site is a hobby and an interest, not a job I am paid for and profit from. I've donated to the kickstarter. Over the years I've seen advertising get more and more clogged, but I keep coming back.
I apologize for not indexing pages and I would like my editing rights restored and again will do my best to index pages.
"Freedom is not a license for chaos" -Norton Juster's The Dot and the Line: A Romance in Lower Mathematics
I wasn't rude. If people here consider me rude, then i guess it's a site full of snowflakes (and it's really bad for our society, in my opinion). Not to mention that, by this logic, they were rude to me too. But no, it's me who has to be banned, lol. I won't be on TLP, mind you, but if you could unban me from messages and forums, i'll apreciate it. After all, i don't usually chat here and might miss a feedback on my laconics and proposing changes in laconic description improvement.
Edited by Spellbrand on Apr 25th 2024 at 10:48:30 AM
At least unban me from a Laconic forum, i help there time to time...
Nay, nobody wrote sniping comments like "How hard do you have to make it to sound smart?" or the one in the PM that got you suspended. It is not acceptable conduct.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Moral Support Expert
"Back to Camera" Pose: One poster has Ben facing away from the viewer.
Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: Sponson inadvertently helps Juan figure out how to control his powers by threatening Juan’s niece.
The Lancer: Izogie and Amenza seem to function as Co-Lancers to Nanisca, acting as her lieutenants and executing her will. They clearly rank higher than the other warriors and are treated as equal to each other.
I'd like to appeal mine, since I don't recall doing anything worth suspending over.