To-do list:
- Merge Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic into UsefulNotes.Furry Fandom.
OP credits go to Amathieu 13
In terms of these two indices on their own, there isn't much of a difference between comic/webcomic and neither page is all that long to begin with, so I'm not sure why they are separated into two anyways. At a minimum, these two should be merged.
But if you consider the outcome of such a merge—Furry Works, essentially—it makes it clear that this would then be a duplicate with Popular with Furries. A likely counter argument is that "Popular with Furries includes works that weren't intended to be popular with furries but just are, often because they use World of Funny Animals, in addition to works explicitly created for furries. These indices are for works intentionally made for furries." But two things:
- differentiating between "what's intended" and "what's not" is hard without Word of God. In lieu of that requirement, people are seemingly using whether or not the work is set in a World of Funny Animals as a proxy to determine whether the work is in the furry "genre" or not. And because of that...
- in practice both Furry Comic and Furry Webcomics include works that aren't explicitly claimed to be created for furries, something that has been brought up at least once before on the Furry Webcomics discussion page [1]
, making the argument that intentional/unintentional is a meaningful difference moot.
To this second point, Fritz the Cat, The Adventures of Captain Jack, and Geronimo Stilton are all listed on Furry Comic.
- On Fritz the Cat's page, it's noted that it is considered a predecessor of the Furry Fandom, but that doesn't mean it was intentionally made to be a part of it; in fact, since the fandom didn't even exist, you could argue that it's impossible for it to have been.
- Nothing on Captain Jack's page even mentions being for furries and the only thing that seems to justify its inclusion is the anthropomorphic animal leads, similar to many Tex Avery MGM Cartoons which is likely part of its inspo since it also makes use of Slapstick.
- And Geronimo Stilton, being a children's series, almost certainly wasn't made for furries.
I'd personally label all 3 as misuse. But how we determine what qualifies as part of a "furry genre" and whether that's redundant with World of Funny Animals and Popular with Furries is exactly the issue. Way I see it, either these indices are just collections of comics and webcomics set in World of Funny Animals without having been intended to be furry works by the creator (which if then they should just be on that page) or these are works that are considered Popular with Furries because they are set in World of Funny Animals and/or have anthropomorphised animals in prominent roles, so they should be merged there.
Recommendation: If people disagree with my read on things re: in practice, these two aren't different from Popular with Furries or World of Funny Animals despite what they say, then I guess, we can just merge the two together. But if people agree
- Option 1: Cut both and move examples over to either Popular with Furries or World of Funny Animals
- Option 2: redirect both to one of the two.
- Option 3: Turn one of the pages into a disambig and redirect the other to it.
Personally prefer 1 over all, but any of the bottom 3 solutions are ok with me. As for which trope to move examples to if we cut or redirected, I'd rather it be to World of Funny Animals, since I actually don't get the tropeworthiness of Popular with Furries—is there any other niche community that we have an entire YMMV page dedicated to works that may appeal to them? That said, that's a critique for a separate thread. Either would be fine.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 18th 2023 at 5:34:39 AM
Done with Sandbox.Furry Comic, somebody please double-check that
a) I didn't forget to add anything to UsefulNotes.Furry Fandom that could have been added there, and
b) Everything that I did add to that page is correct
Edited by FernandoLemon on Jul 23rd 2023 at 5:28:30 AM
I'd like to apologize for all this.
How sweet it is
Wicks are also done. So, all we have left is to incorporate the sandbox into the useful note page.
I'll fix the indices as they still showed up as indices even after conversion into redirects.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportShould the page also list creators on top of works?
I'd like to apologize for all this.
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Just stoic wisdom.
Once creators are added to the page, is this thread done?
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker MailNo, we still have to sort through Sandbox.Furry Webcomics.
Edited by FernandoLemon on Jul 24th 2023 at 12:48:21 PM
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Just stoic wisdom.
I tried to go through and research the examples to see if the creators were furries or not. Admittedly, I think today's round was a bit more thorough of a search than the previous one (as evidenced by Twidz readding one I erroneously removed). Today I did my best to search off-site for any furry fandom affiliation on the author's part. Zero hard feelings if someone corrects my mistakes since I'm only giving it my best educated guess as an outsider.
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So, what shall we do with this draft, now that UsefulNotes.Furry Fandom is given a list?
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That draft isn't even about furries anymore, so it doesn't really have any relevance to this discussion. Currently, it's a draft for a very broad "Work About X" index, and you already asked this question in that forum [1] (to which, I did respond).
Edited by amathieu13 on Jul 26th 2023 at 1:57:06 PM
Just stoic wisdom.
What more is there left to do for sorting through the sandbox?
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Bumping because was never answered and I may or may not be able to help
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'm also not sure what's left to do here, so clocking.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Finishing sorting through Sandbox.Furry Webcomics and moving it to either UsefulNotes.Furry Fandom or a subpage. And that's it; after that, we can close.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Locking, then.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 31st 2023 at 10:12:41 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Moved back because I misread Fernando's post.
As I said in the meta thread:
Do we know which part still needs to be checked or is it just more someone needs to give the whole page another passover?
CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floorsAsk ~Yindee because he's the one who last checked.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Just stoic wisdom.
If someone who's actually a furry/more familiar with the fandom wants to review the contents of the page, please go ahead. I just cleared stuff based on my best educated guess. If there's other stuff that needs to be done, I wouldn't know. I just kinda hopped in and checked the entries, figuring that was something that needed doing.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Not a furry, so I can't help.
How sweet it is
I see we already reached out to the coven thread, but I don't know if anything came of it.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'll leave this clocked in case nobody ends up knowing what to do. (I don't know what needs to be done here; that's another factor in why I locked too soon.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 31st 2023 at 10:30:07 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I mean, if no one has any comments or things to change about yindee's sorting of the Sandbox.Furry Webcomics, then I think we can just swap it in on the useful notes page and close
Edited by amathieu13 on Jul 31st 2023 at 12:17:54 PM
I went ahead and added the works from Sandbox.Furry Webcomics to Furry Fandom. I removed the blurbs for the sake of uniformity since none of the other folders had them.
If folks are ok with that, then we can cut the two sandboxes Sandbox.Furry Comic and Sandbox.Furry Webcomics and close the thread
Edited by amathieu13 on Aug 1st 2023 at 3:26:23 PM
(she/her)
Sounds fine to me.
Macron's notes
Crown Description:
In terms of Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic on their own, there isn't much of a difference between comic/webcomic and neither page is all that long to begin with, so there have been concerns that they're redundant with each other, and there have been concerns that the two are redundant with World Of Funny Animals. What should be done with Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic?.
Added.
We still need to sort the sandboxes.
I'd like to apologize for all this.