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#1: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:40:26 AM

Seeing the thread on Award Shows reminds me of something else index-wise. It may not be as easy to bloat as something like the Academy Awards, but it's still something that should be considered. I'm saying this as someone who had once contributed to Trope Overdosed back before it's considered JustForFun/: I don't see the point of keeping those as indexes, doubly so now they're JustForFun.

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#2: Jun 9th 2023 at 2:57:04 AM

Worth noting that Overdosed Tropes is not considered JFF.

If I had to guess, Trope Overdosed may have been made JFF at least partly because people are more likely to get into dick-measuring contests with works they're fans of and shoehorn works into tropes they don't fit to inflate their counts. You could argue that's an argument in favor of de-indexing it, since it adds a badge of honor to the page itself, although that's more an issue with works on the verge of making the page since it's not obvious where on the list it is just looking at the index bar.

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#3: Jun 9th 2023 at 7:52:13 AM

Yeah, I agree these are unnecessary. Probably have less benefit than awards since all they do is tell you "and here are some other works that have a lot of wicks".

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 9th 2023 at 9:52:42 AM

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#4: Jun 30th 2023 at 6:11:53 AM

It's been about three weeks, so I'm guessing it's okay to go ahead with this?

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#5: Jun 30th 2023 at 6:28:09 AM

I think we need more consensus.

For the record, [tup] to de-indexing.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 30th 2023 at 9:28:25 AM

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#7: Jun 30th 2023 at 2:02:46 PM

In addition to deindexing, should they be sent to TRS so that they can be moved to JFF?

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#9: Dec 26th 2023 at 2:13:29 AM

I agree that Trope Overdosed shouldn’t be an index, especially since it’s JFF. There’s really no point in being directed to other overdosed works when I’m reading a work page.

I hope this doesn’t count as misplaced necroing of a dormant thread, but I just came here from the thread about indexing award shows.

Edited by GnomeTitan on Dec 26th 2023 at 11:13:56 AM

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#10: Dec 26th 2023 at 6:48:37 AM

[tup] De-index; it’s already JFF and adds little informational content while bloating index lists.

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#11: Dec 26th 2023 at 6:51:39 AM

[tup] to de-indexing these "overdosed" JFF things

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#15: Dec 27th 2023 at 9:23:17 PM

[up] Sure, just so we can get the whole site's opinion

Crowner description:

There have been concerns over whether "Overdosed" pages (Trope Overdosed, Overdosed Tropes, Namespace Overdosed, Port Overdosed, Video Overdosed) should act as indexes as several tropers believe it contributes to index bloat and is unecessary. What should be done with them?
  • Vote UP to stop using "Overdosed" pages as indexes on work pages.
  • Vote DOWN to keep using "Overdosed" pages as indexes on work pages.

Options:

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Dec 29th 2023 at 4:40:49 AM

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#16: Dec 27th 2023 at 9:23:59 PM

Not sure if we'd need a new thread and a new crowner afterward, but we should also do something about Useful Notes as indexes (outside of pages that are being phased into Platform/ that is). Some (like The Renaissance Age of Animation for example) we can definitely do without, while there may be at least a few that can safely be moved (for example, Looney Tunes And Merrie Melodies Filmography can be moved to Looney Tunes, and the associated subpages can be flipped to Recap/).

Oh, and should we make Overdosed Tropes JustForFun/ without TRS action? For some reason, that slipped notice unlike the work-based counterparts and it's definitely in the Not Tropeworthy category.

[down] Figures. Good thing I've got it in the queue.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Dec 28th 2023 at 9:41:05 AM

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#17: Dec 28th 2023 at 12:22:42 AM

I am not at all convinced that a trope/index with 15000+ inbounds can be made JFF without a TRS.

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#18: Dec 28th 2023 at 12:24:51 AM

[up] Yeah, I agree we should TRS Overdosed Tropes first.

Anyways, is my proposed crowner description and options clear enough?

Because I can hook it if we're good.

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#19: Dec 30th 2023 at 7:10:15 AM

Ok, we seem to be done with the awards index problem.

We can hook the crowner for this one.

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#20: Jan 2nd 2024 at 2:28:54 AM

Hooked.

Edit: Made an ATT bulletin.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 2nd 2024 at 4:31:17 AM

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#21: Jan 4th 2024 at 9:28:58 PM

Alright, it's been 3 days

How long should this crowner run?

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#22: Jan 4th 2024 at 10:58:12 PM

Going by when the crowner is formed, we still have a few hours before hitting the 72 hour mark.

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#23: Jan 5th 2024 at 6:52:34 AM

I think it's past the 72-hour mark now. We can call. Ratio seems pretty good on removing the index tags.

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 5th 2024 at 10:52:45 PM

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#24: Jan 5th 2024 at 7:34:48 AM

Crowner is in favor of removing indexing on Overdosed pages. Time to do so.

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#25: Jan 5th 2024 at 7:37:21 AM

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... and that oughtta do it. Unless there's something I missed.

EDIT: OK, something's up with Trope Overdosed. It doesn't seem to change page type, at all. And even when i removed the indexing markers it still is indexing. What gives?

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Jan 5th 2024 at 7:50:16 AM

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Wiki Talk: "Overdosed" Indexes
2nd Jan '24 2:28:30 AM

Crown Description:

There have been concerns over whether "Overdosed" pages (Trope Overdosed, Overdosed Tropes, Namespace Overdosed, Port Overdosed, Video Overdosed) should act as indexes as several tropers believe it contributes to index bloat and is unecessary. What should be done with them?
  • Vote UP to stop using "Overdosed" pages as indexes on work pages.
  • Vote DOWN to keep using "Overdosed" pages as indexes on work pages.

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