Is this tropeworthy/Chairs?

Because robots normally aren't capable of emotions to be psychopaths, so robots who are also Ax-Crazy are extra crazy.

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The comparisons between Popular with Furries and LGBT Fanbase are kinda funny to me because that trope suffers from the same issue you brought up. A lot of the examples of that trope are about Queer Media, which are just as naturally going to have large proportions of LGBT fans as works about Funny Animals are going to have lots of furry fans.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jun 4th 2023 at 12:13:33 PM

Psychopathy (better called Anti-Social Personality Disorder) is a human mental disorder and typically involves, well, a brain. So a robot with psychopathy is interesting because either it was programmed that way, or it's sentient enough to also get a mental disorder that involves a lack of empathy and impulsiveness — things that may also break the laws of robotics.

To put it in other words, robots are often already depicted as being murderous and cold, but to label them a "psychopath" implies they have enough of a mind to also have a mental disorder, rather than just being glitchy or designed without the capacity to feel.

...But a lot of the examples are more like "Ax-Crazy robot", which uses a much different meaning of "Psycho".

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 4th 2023 at 1:15:35 PM

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re:your last point, yeah that trope is more Killer Robot and not so much "robot with a mental disorder". plenty of robots / AI can turn murderous by following a logical rational that sees humans as the root cause of issues without there being any implication of a mental disorder.

without a wick check to verify usage though, can't say to what extent examples fall into one camp versus the other.

ETA: oh, i'm now realizing Killer Robot is the supposed parent trope. Then i'd def do a wick check to see if there's any real difference in usage between the two or if they're actually duplicates.

Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 4th 2023 at 1:28:57 PM

I mean, the description doesn't prove either definition correct to be fair and I also saw examples that took the psychopathy thing literally, so... it can really go either way

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thus my point about a wick check.

I was mostly responding to your first point about what the trope is "like", because based on the description, either definition would technically be valid. I don't think we can make any claims about what is the more "correct" definition right now.

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I think Popular with Furries shouldnt be a trope. It really has no narrative worth.

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I mean, technically it's not. It's an Audience Reaction.

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I knew that but since I am dumb I couldnt put my finger on what is truly wrong with it. I still think its worthless even as an audience reaction.

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Re: Robotic Psychopath, the trope states it's just "a psychopath who's also a robot," not indicating any mental disorder or something meaningful other than "X who happens to be Y." I get Warjay's point, but the trope is vague right now to determine its purpose.

I might help in the wick check for that. It might just need a description improvement, and that's all.

I mean, I based my definition off of the definition of psychopath, which is a mental disorder. If my version of wrong, it means the trope is using "psychopath" in a more casual way, or is even just straight up using the wrong word.

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Robotic Psychopath's description is generally too short

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I think they were going for a general Ax-Crazy robot, aka Psycho Robot or something. Using "psychopath" (a loaded word that has requirements that need to be met to call a character as such) made me raise an eyebrow.

Right, the usage makes me think that whoever launched this trope confused "Psychopath" for the generic "Psycho" archetype. But I did see usage that fit my version as well, so...

I have to do work and stuff for a while, but if anyone wants to start a wick check I'll help when I can.

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For what it's worth, while I'm pretty confident the trope was not named by someone intending to use 'psychopath' in a clinical sense, I do think that the robot being sapient enough to be 'crazy' is an intentional part of the definition. A Killer Robot can be a complete machine that's just run amok for whatever reason, and it seems like part of the intended definition for Robotic Psychopath is actually being a "character".

Psychopath also hasn't been a diagnosed mental disorder for years partly because of widespread use as a pejorative. If it's a bad name, it isn't because it requires armchair diagnosis to add an example, but because it uses a term that is still deployed mainly to associate malicious behaviour with mental illness.

I do think it's tropeworthy at the intersection of Killer Robot and A.I. Is a Crapshoot, where an artificial intelligence becomes sophisticated enough to develop free will and wakes up and chooses violence.

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Yeah, in real life, it's ASPD, and even then, it's not a common illness. I have seen someone use "psychopathy" for a real life person diagnosed with ASPD, but it felt like clickbait. It's not always easy for experts to diagnose someone as such, aside from the negative stereotypes (and many of them don't seek help).

Regardless, we'll see how it's used when a wick check is in process.

I know, that's why I pointed out that it's actually Anti-Social Personality Disorder in my original post. However, as our page on The Sociopath shows, there's a disconnect between the people who want to use these tropes in the generic casual sense, and in the clinical sense. I default to using them in the clinical sense, so that colored my view of the trope... especially since the definition did nothing to point me in the other direction.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 4th 2023 at 3:21:08 PM

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ahh Selkies that was my bad, i was mixing up the meaning of rainbow lens. never mind then

Notably, the original YKTTW for Robotic Psychopath had no description at all.

of course it did.....gotta love old troping standards

Lmao. Old TLP never fails to be very goofy. Well, that's no help.

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This is starting to sound like we may need a wick check if there's disagreement as to the definition.

EDIT: Removed needless commentary from my post

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 5th 2023 at 1:53:12 PM

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Here's it to kickstart things: Robotic Psychopath Wick Check. I'm currently working on another wick check, so I'll help later on.