Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Lies and Violence!
Yes to Robey, Willow, Cavella. So... have a bit of a long one, but it's worth discussion.
What's the work?
Ninjago once again. Long ago, before time had a name, there was the Realm of Oni and Dragons. A child was born of the two species, a being with control over both creation and destruction. He fled to a new realm to craft peace away from his war-torn home, and rose the landmass that would come to be known as Ninjago from the sea, with the help of four Golden Weapons channeling the powers of earth, wind, fire, and lighting—the pillars of his creation power. The demonic Oni sent their forces after the child to use his powers for the destruction of everything, setting up a temple in this new land, but one of their own betrayed them, and the demons were forced back.
The child would come to be known as the First Spinjitzu Master, and would father two children of his own, Wu and Garmadon. Unfortunately, although he had escaped the Oni, the Master could not escape the war. For with light, there most always be shadow. And in that shadow... is darkness.
- A primordial spirit of evil, said to have existed "since the beginning", rose to counterbalance the Master's Light. The Overlord, as he would come to be known, forged from his very essence an army of stone warriors to fight on his behalf, leading to an endless war between light and dark. Eventually, the Master sealed away the Overlord by splitting Ninjago in two, sending half of the continent with the Overlord on it into the seas, and entombed the stone soldiers that remained on the Light half, maintaining the balance.
- However, the Overlord foresaw this, and set about orchestrating his return. Possessing a small garden snake, the Overlord would send it to bite the young Garmadon, infecting both with his evil. The serpent would grow over the years, becoming bigger with everything it ate, until it became revered as the Great Devourer, a god that would not rest until it consumed everything. Garmadon would resist his evil urges for most of his life, becoming a veteran of the Serpentine War (where a race of snake people attempted to warn humanity about the coming of an Antichrist known as the Golden Master, only to be misinterpreted as warmongers and attacked). Unfortunately, the evil eventually grew too great for him to control, unlocking his destructive Oni heritage and sending him on a quest to reshape the world in his image.
- After several schemes, Garmadon is left stranded on the Dark Island, what remains of the dark half of the continent split off by the Master. There he encounters the disembodied voice of the Overlord, who instructs him to awaken the Stone Army to wreak havoc in Ninjago and raise the rest of the continent from the sea. The Overlord has Garmadon mine "Dark Matter"—what he calls concentrated evil—to shift the balance between good and evil, bombarding Ninjago with missiles of the stuff to convert everyone into his evil slaves. This creates enough of a tip in the balance that the Overlord can manifest in physical form, possessing Garmadon. Fortunately, Garmadon's son, Lloyd, manages to unlock his grandfather's power over creation and light, destroying the both the Overlord and the stone army, banishing the his darkness from all those he corrupted, and purifying the evil from his father's heart.
- Unfortunately, a scrap of the Overlord's physical manifestation survived, and grew in power when a billionaire inventor builds his corporate headquarters on the site of the Overlord's defeat. The Overlord infiltrates the computer system and turns himself into a digital virus, quickly taking over and building a robotic army of "Nindroids." After trying to murder a bunch of school children, the Overlord reveals his new plan is to steal the Master's power over creation and light from Lloyd, capturing and and partially draining him, but the process is interrupted before he can fully stabilize. However, the Overlord recovers the four Golden Weapons of the Master, melting them down to complete his new body so he can become "The Golden Master" and enslave all life. One of the ninja, Zane, kamikazes himself with an elemental ice explosion, destroying both himself and the Overlord's physical form so he won't be able to remanifest for generations.
- Sort of. The onslaught of new villains that pop up in the ensuing years creates enough hatred and conflict that the Overlord can gain in power and begin affecting things again, centuries earlier than expected. While he's unable to manifest again, he's able to resurrect the villainess Harumi (who blames Lloyd for failing to stop the Devourer before it killed her parents), and convinces her to help him—all the destruction that has plagued her life has come from the conflict in maintaining the balance between good and evil. It can all stop if one side finally wins. Taking the alias of the Crystal King, he has her create a new stone army and assemble other enemies of the ninja for revenge, stealing the reforged Golden Weapons to corrupt them and summon his physical form back.
- Taking over the Oni temple and using its dark energies to empower himself/convert it into a flying fortress, the Overlord begins planning his rise once more. He initially considers just killing the ninja, but that runs the risk of their elemental powers working by Avatar rules and moving on to new hosts. Instead, he decides to corrupt them into his slaves and bend the pillars of creation to his will. To draw them out, he unleashes his new army to indiscriminately attack, petrifying anyone they come across into crystallized zombies.
- As the ninja hold off his forces in a desperate final stand to protect the surviving refugees, Lloyd and Garmadon attack the Oni temple. While fighting, the Overlord stupidly monologues about how he created the Devourer, turning Harumi against him, but he nonetheless crystalizes the city... seconds after the ninja expelled their powers into Lloyd, empowering him to knock him on his ass, destroy his physical form, and purify his corruption, saving everyone from his darkness yet again.
The Overlord is the worst in the series. He is evil itself, responsible in one way or another for almost every villain in the series. The Great Devourer alone threatens to consume everything and everyone, and when the Overlord gets involved personally, it's always out to reduce the people of Ninjago to his slaves, whether through obliterating their morality, plain old conquest, or petrifying them into crystal zombies, all as prelude to destroying everything. I suppose the Omega is competition, working on a scale of multiple realms, but he has nothing on the Overlord's centuries of corruption and repeated attempts to destroy reality.
He claims to Harumi that he merely seeks to end the constant conflict and suffering stemming from the eternal fight between good and evil, so that humanity can find "peace in the dark." Which, of course, is bullshit, he's a megalomaniacal ass, and he just says that to get her on his side.
- Here's the real issue. The Overlord is explicitly evil itself, and can never be destroyed for good because of this. However, as I've gone over before, there are similar Made of Evil villains in the Oni, who channel the power of destruction itself and seek to end everything. The distinction between the Oni and the Overlord's powers, at least as they're explained by supplementary materials and Word of God, is vague and contradictory, but in the show itself there's functionally no difference—they're both talked about as naturally evil and destructive, and they have similar powers, both feeding on anger and conflict to become stronger. However, the Oni are shown to have agency, as one betrayed the rest of her species to aid the Master.
- Then there's Garmadon. While corrupted by the Overlord, he's still able to maintain love for his son and wife, even as the evil in his veins drives him to commit impulsive acts of destruction—though I suppose you could argue that's the dragon/human bits helping him fight back. When he's resurrected later as only his Oni side—without the human/dragon bits, explicitly and repeatedly stated to be his "pure evil" half—he's merciless and unable to understand empathy to comical levels, but he still maintains that love for his son, and gets a character arc in the latest season where he relearns compassion—oftentimes with horrible results, but he learns nonetheless. Clearly one Made of Evil group has agency, but I don't know if that can be applied to a second, slightly different Made of Evil group, even if said differences are minimal/basically nonexistent when ignoring material outside the show itself.
- The real kicker is when he absorbs the Master's power over creation/light. Garmadon tried to wield this power before, but no villain has gone the extra mile of transferring it into their very essence. And this is pretty explicitly the power of good—it was used just a season before to destroy the Overlord and purify all those he had turned evil with Dark Matter, it's used seasons later to again destroy him and purify all those he crystallized. The Temple of Light that Lloyd got the powers from, located on the Dark Island, is noted to be the only thing keeping the isle's darkness from engulfing the world. Yet the Overlord harnesses it with little trouble, without needing to "corrupt" it like he plans with the crystal plot (and he only does that because he doesn't have a central source to steal it from). Admittedly, no one ever outright says this should grant agency, but... a being of pure evil absorbing the power of good, without needing to corrupt it, and facing no changes whatsoever feels suspect, at least to me.
- As for anything regarding him being a necessary part of maintaining the balance between good and evil... eh. He's immortal because he embodies evil, which can never be truly destroyed in this balance, but he's also constantly trying to destroy the balance, so he's clearly not beholden to maintaining it. Presumably it is possible for one side to permanently win—several other realms we briefly visit have clear imbalances to one side or the other. Don't think there's ever a clear explanation on how this works, so I wouldn't consider this specifically an issue.
Verdict?
*Shrugs*. Honestly, not sure myself, but an effortpost felt required. Me and mir will be moving on to MB, and goddamn, there's a lot.
Barb / Temporary Kylo
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to the Overlord
Not the Eye
Honestly to the Overlord. Him being able to apsorb the power of good with no problem and fact that beings that had only tangetial differences from him have agency seems like enought of the argument.
to the Overlord
The Emperor of Evil!
to The Overlord.
Man in the Yellow Hat
to Overlord.
Yes to the Overlord. We've had way weirder cases of agency, including one other Elder Scrolls guy upcoming I have no clue about but I think is worth the post.
Also, just to clear off my palette and encourage the Diagnosis Murder train to keep going:
- "Blood Will Out": Martin Rutgers is a heartless slimeball of an NSA officer who sees it fit to arbitrarily lock down Community General Hospital after a madman takes a nurse hostage. The "madman" is in fact Rutgers' pet virologist Dr. Othon, whom Rutgers tricked into creating a Synthetic Plague for his own mercenary purposes. The design and purpose of this Synthetic Plague is terrifyingly simple; it's been specifically tailored to kill the population of entire cities overseas, allowing Rutgers to take over the resultant "real estate" without a sniffle of contention from his ostensible higher-ups. Utterly without regard for life, Rutgers kicks off the episode by having an entire restaurant shot up and massacred just to pick off Othon, and spends the rest of the episode trying to kill the doctor—and any of Community General's innocent staff who get in his way—in the process. Rutgers even pettily rubs his federal protection in Steve Sloan's face, noting even after Othon dies and all evidence of his misdeeds apparently cleared that he'll strip Steve of his badge "just for fun!"
Edited by Scraggle on Mar 12th 2023 at 5:42:17 AM
Goku Black
Overlord / Golden Master / Crystal King.
to The Overlord
Ultimate Moral Compass
Overlord
Woagh
to the Ninjago candidates.
And lemme get up one myself. This is from the YA historical fiction fantasy The Red Necklace and its sequel The Silver Blade. Voiced by Tom Hiddleston in the audiobook, btw (even if he's narrating every character)!
- A powerful Loan Shark during in the French Revolution, Kalliovski is a wealthy and dangerous man who carries around a black "Book of Tears" filled with the names of people who are in crippling debt to him. Kalliovski blackmails people with their darkest secrets if they don't pay up, as is the case with the Marquis de Villeduval, father of the novel's young heroine Sido. And if this doesn't break them, Kalliovski just murders them and leaves a red necklace around their necks as a calling card/warning.
- Kalliovski is also a racist scumfuck who hunts the Romani people for sport. One flashback recalls an instance where he and the Marquis caught a fleeing Roma family; the Marquis wanted to imprison them, but Kalliovski opted instead to murder the family and hang up their bodies from the nearest tree.
- In The Red Necklace, Kalliovski debuts murdering a man who recognizes him from his past, the magician Topolain, then later tries to have Topolain's dwarf assistant Têtu murdered as well. This follows a series of murders throughout the book; the Marquis' friend Madame Perrien is strangled to death, and it's later revealed that Kalliovski murdered the Marquis' half-brother as well. The final murder he's responsible for is that of Sido's mother, whom he murdered for refusing his advances; now he wants Sido, and he gloats that he'll have her in his bed whether she wants it or not. Keep in mind Sido is well under eighteen.
- In The Silver Blade, Kalliovski survives his seeming end at the hands of a violent mob, where we get a look into another passion of his: creating automata from the corpses of his victims. These automata are created from severed heads, either from people killed by his own hands or those he's had passed to the guillotine. He intends, through these automata, to create an artificial human "without the inconvenience of a soul." His most "beautiful" automata are named the Seven Sisters Macabre, each a woman he's killed with his bare hands.
- Kalliovski is also revealed to be the father of the duology's male protagonist, Yann, a telepathic orphan of Roma descent. Kalliovski fell for a Roma woman named Anis and had Yann with her, only to despise himself for the new and vulnerable feelings he felt with Anis. Kalliovski murdered Anis to destroy his feelings for her and has no compunction trying to murder Yann later, gloating that he'll even resurrect Anis as another automaton.
- Kalliovski is followed throughout both books by a gigantic and loyal black hound named Balthazar, whom he once has tear a disloyal minion apart. It's actually a very literal hellhound who has been growing in size with every murder Kalliovski commits. Terrified of damnation, Kalliovski strangles the beast to death in the climax of Silver Blade, only for his sins to catch up for him and for Balthazar to come back to life, dragging him screaming to the abyss.
- He's the villain of both novels and sets the standard. And he's a clear pass over the baseline—the dude is a serial killer with a huge body count, and moreover he gloats to the face of a young teenager that he's going to be practicing his Marital Rape License on her as often as can. That is sick for a YA book.
- Interestingly Kalliovski did fall in love with Anis. Genuinely. It's a plot point that he adores being a soulless, hollow bastard but that "Anis threatened the perfect void of his being." Indeed, when Anis' spirit comes back to haunt him, Kalliovski is rattled and undergoes a Villainous Breakdown that lasts the rest of the book. Kalliovski despises his capacity for love and purposefully murdered Anis to kill this good quality in him.
- Now, any actual guilt Kalliovski feels over the murder is long dead and gone. Any good within him is dead and the novel acknowledges that openly. What Kalliovski is terrified of and spends his every moment trying to avoid is very literal damnation over a Deal with the Devil, Frollo-style. He rejects his feelings for Anis, disowns Yann as his son and tries to kill him as well, and generally does everything to earn that actual damnation he's terrified of. So a slightly complex example here, but nothing actually redeeming.
Edited by Scraggle on Mar 12th 2023 at 5:53:32 AM
Barb / Temporary Kylo
I thought this would take a few days but was also able to write this one out.
What's the work?
The Glitched Attraction is a well-made Five Nights At Freddy's fan-game with a pretty cool concept. An escape room game set in the FNAF universe. Taking place in the year 2030, he gist of it is that you are invited to the new ‘Fazbear attraction’, which features replications of each game in the franchise. And discover that the animatronics in the area will straight up kill you; thanks to a virus being set in it, the cause of this?
So what’s William doin this time?
Yeah it's Afton, the original Serial Killer who is responsible for the tragedies that struck the Fazbear franchise decades ago, now back in the future and intending to rebuild himself and continue murdering.
So, before the game takes place Afton has already corrupted Vanessa into being his murderous apprentice ‘Vanny’. Originally he planned to turn the Pizzaplex into his new spot for murder….but in this version, the Pizzplex project was canceled. So Afton and Vanny set up shop here instead. Putting in the virus and making the attraction deadly. Fazbear Entertainment, being Fazbear Entertainment, responded by just putting a disclaimer that they were not responsible for anything that goes on in the location instead of fixing it.
They form a plan, lure someone to the attraction, let the animatronics kill them or just kill the visitor themselves on occasion(As seen through a tape with Vanny vivisecting a guy with an ax) and then use that visitor's phone to lure their friends to the attraction. And continue this cycle again and again. Collecting the Remnant from their victims and using them to empower Afton. By the point of this game, Vanny has been able to find what was left of his original body and use it to make him a new one with an endoskeleton from the attraction.
The protagonist is the latest victim lured to the attraction. And while they go pretty far in escaping each death trap room and uncovering the secrets of the attraction, ultimately Vanny captures them and brings them to Afton. William then personally killed the protagonist. What happens next is….confusing. The player goes through a memory of the bite of 83 before implicitly being attacked by Fedbear. And then the player's hand begins flashing between a human and endoskeleton hand. What seems to be happening, based on the files, is that the player is now trapped in Afton’s mind and being forced to live out whatever William puts him through.
After that? They use the protagonist’s phone to lure in their next victim. The cycle continues.
Is he Bad enough?
After thinking about it and talking with Mir? Yeah. We do not get an exact amount of victims, but we know he and Vanny have been doing this for a while. We see a body in the lab and we know the protagonist's friend was a previous victim of theirs. Most gruesomely? We get the 'remnant theory's video showing Vanny personally killing a victim.
Also we know they plan to continue this indefinitely, with the end showing them luring their next victim in.
Oh and after it's done? And the victims remnant is injected into Afton? They stay there as the files say. Whenever remnant is injected into a body with a soul, the conciseness of the person is forced to stay within that soul until the body dies.
And there's his murders in the original pizzeria's. Which I'm not certain are Offscreen Villainy in retrospect sense we see replicas of the places he did them in and of the animatronics who were haunted by his victims souls
Mitigating Factors?
Nothing really. While he only appears at the end, he gets about enough personality. There's plenty of cunning with his and Vanny's plot. He bangs on the doors of his recharge chamber and yells at Vanny to let him out so he could kill the protagonist himself, and lets out a sadistic chuckle before finishing them off.
Final Verdict?
Looking it over and talking with Mir I'd say he's good.
Edited by Snoketrope on Mar 12th 2023 at 5:06:39 AM
The First man
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'll read Overlord's EP tomorrow.
Corrupt Bureaucrat for Rutgers's name?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Barb / Temporary Kylo
to Kalliovski
The Overlord
Ultimate Moral Compass
Kalliovski and William
Not the Eye
Kalliovski and Afton (of course!)
Kalliovski and Afton
A nice swimmer
Well whatever, i'll do the three into one big write up. They ain't unique enough.
to the Overlord.
- The Three Wise Men are a group of powerful old wizards consisting of Urzur, Beldor, and Skuldi. Servants of the previous King of Titania, they were tasked with researching about the Beast of Darkova, which lead them to learn about the prophecy about Armageddon, which told about how the ones who survived it would supposedly rise unto power. To bring about Armageddon, they would do many actions such as controlling the benevolent dragon Belial into devouring hundreds, manipulating the Kingdoms into going unto wars with eachother, and striking deals with many other characters in order to get what they want, often backstabbing them when their deal was over. Beldor would eventually play a key role when Armageddon happened, awakening the beastly King Gallon from the Underworld, and taking control of Ingway, who transformed into the Beast of Darkova shortly after.
Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Mar 12th 2023 at 5:22:33 AM
Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.
Lies and Violence!
Ah, sorry about missing that. Yeah, I’d say one entry is best. Yes to Afton and the count.
to Kalliovski and Afton
The Emperor of Evil!
to Kalliovski and Willy
Absolute to the Overlord
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, seems like the Wise Men were approved.
How do you think i should write them up? One entry each or one for the whole group? Given that they're not too different from eachother, but commit different crimes with one endgoal.
Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.