Dakari-King Mykan and Starfleet Magic Cleanup

Well, it's a little difficult to tell... I need to know what points of hypocrisy Mykan doesn't agree with...

Sure, we'll see what he thinks was intentional or not.

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Now, while we're waiting for Mykan's response, I felt like this example should be cut out:

• Scary Dogmatic Aliens: While likely not intentionally written as such, they show traits of all four primary subtypes (and keep in mind, these are the heroes of the fic):
  • Alien Nazis for their belief in their own superiority above all others, leading to them condemning entire species.
  • Alien Commies for their enforcement of conformity through forcing the Equestrian ponies to abandon their old bodies, culture, and terminologies, with dissenters being harshly punished (just ask Brass Bolt or Ace Ray).
  • Alien Fundamentalists for their unwavering belief in the Grand Ruler and hostility towards those opposing him.
  • Alien Conquistadores for basically taking over Equestria and subjugating its population as well as those of numerous other planets, in the name of protection.

This applies to the main page on the trope itself:

• My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic has the Space Ponies, who are a combination of all four primary variants. They're a militaristic race wholly devoted to their charismatic Grand Ruler who preach conformity and obedience while shunning anyone who disagrees with their beliefs, to the point of forcing their way of life and even humanoid forms like their own onto Equestria's population. They also practice The Right of a Superior Species, using it to essentially annex other worlds into their empire in the name of protection (and have been known to appoint their own members into positions of power over those worlds), and view themselves as superior to other species in every way, with one random guy dropping the line "Space Ponies ARE stronger than you Equestrians, but we don't treat you like slaves, and we don't bluntly rub [it] in your faces." Furthermore, the stories have them canonically committing genocide on at least one race that they deem Always Chaotic Evil. The real kicker? They're presented as the heroes.

• Hypocrite:

Starfleet destroys Titan's minions (or, in the original, leaves them to die) on the grounds that they're evil, artificial beings. However, with the exception of Celesto, all Space Ponies are descended from artificial beings. And then there's Goldwin, a statue given life who's a protagonist.

-It depends on the kind of creature you are (What you are made of. what are Created For) In the case of Titan's minions, they are made from corpses and graveyard soil (they are made to be evil) Goldwin is magical statue brought to life by pure magic. He is good, and he wasn't made to be evil.

• In Ace Ray's debut chapter, Twilight told Spike it wouldn't be right to force the ex-Wonderbolt to think like others in order to cure his "attitude problem". Guess what happens in Ace Ray's second appearance (in the original version)? For extra hypocrisy points, Ace Ray trying to force his point of view on his sister Skye is treated as a bad thing, but Starfleet locking him up until he decides to submit to their philosophy is A-OK.

-Ace Ray does indeed have an attitude problem, and he can't be cured unless he "tries" he's got to "want" to be helped, but he refuses. He was arrested for committing felonies and thrown into the asylum because he is proven to be insane and dangerous. He needs help, and their not trying to force him to see think like they are, but help him understand he is wrong in his judgment.

• Hypocrite: Practicing what they preach is a foreign concept to them.

They insist on making the Equestrian ponies drop terms like "everypony" for the sake of political correctness, because not everyone's a pony. -Well, what do you think. There are dragons, Minotaur, yaks, griffons, ect, ect... you can't say "every pony" to them, can you?

-Not only are they referred to as "original space ponies", but they also look down heavily on their Equestrian counterparts, which is the opposite of politically correct. -The Equestrians are not their counterparts, and they don't look down on them, but they do show disappointment when they refuse to understand or realize the full truth and/or seriousness of things.

• They happily criticize any aspect of other cultures that they don't agree with, but if anyone voices complaints about their culture, the complainers are looked down on as degenerate and wrong.

-Wrong! Again, they do not look down on those disagree with them (without good reason) but they have no tolerance for trouble-makers. The people have the right to complain, but they have no right to stir up trouble and break the laws do they?

• When a hero is the last member of a dying race, nearly everyone around them feels sorry for them (see all the times Lightning being the last living Harmonian is wheeled out for cheap sympathy points).

-A trope like that makes it sound like Lightning has nothing to be upset about and he has suffered nothing. (I suggest that be removed because it is highly discourteous)

• When a villain is the last member of a dying race, Starfleet will kill them (or possibly send them to one of their Hellhole Prisons where they must serve multiple life sentences), thus rendering said villain's species extinct with Starfleet feeling absolutely no remorse.

-Things do happen, sometimes beyond control. What we're dealing with is justice and peace and order in the galaxy. You break the law=you go to jail. You cannot be imprisoned or stopped otherwise, they destroy you. They're not trying to be heartless and wipe out races, they're just doing their job and trying to save lives of the innocent.

• Prior to the start of the fic, Starla's dad claimed that Starfleet is a group of violent, overly militant, Knight Templars with Black-and-White Insanity, and Starla, Lightning, and Krysta diss him for it.

-Starla's father just couldn't see Starfleet for the good it does, and only saw them for their flaws and mixed up views.

• However, they've readily admitted that they think Violence Is the Only Option, condemned entire species as evil while praising themselves and their allies as noble and innocent, committed genocide multiple times, dehumanize non-living enemies even when said enemies are shown to have personalities of their own, and incarcerated and tortured dissenters at least three times over the course of the series.

-The villains they face are usually and totally unreasonable beings. They have no wish to negotiate, or be persuaded to change. They just want to destroy and conquer... almost like Power Rangers or even Batman does do. Starfleet only does what they have to do. (within procedure)

• In the third chapter of the rewritten Season 1, Lightning suggests blowing up the Dark Planet with Titan on it, but dismisses the thought because, to quote the text, "Starfleet was not a murderous force. They couldn't go around blowing worlds up without good reason or cause." While they do bring down a few enemies through non-lethal means, they mostly don't display any particular reluctance to kill enemies they consider irredeemable (including Titan, ironically enough), and they actually chew Twilight out for having an issue with killing.

-the bit about destroying monsters has already been covered (If it has to be done, they do it) As for Twilight, she's still learning about the many kinds of enemies out there, and how she cannot persuade them to just change. Some enemies can be captured, some cannot, and therefore must be destroyed.

• A particularly notable example is in season 3 where they don't go after Raven because she's potentially too strong for them to handle. Except she's pretty small potatoes compared to the likes of Titan before her, several villains afterward, and King Sombra in the same season, whom they fought with no hesitation. Additionally, she is an Equestrian, which has been stated several times to be incapable of matching the strength of even the weakest Space Pony.

-No actually, Raven has 1000 years of training, so she is extremely strong and powerful. She's no small potato, which also rules out the (weak Equestrian bit) She is trained, she is strong, she is now on par with the strength of the fighters. Therefore, she is tough.

• Speaking of which, this decision led to the death of Twilight Sparkle. Despite the fact that they could have swooped in and fought like they did with all of the above-mentioned villains but chose not to, it's her that's at fault for not following orders not to go after Raven. Not the supposedly superior Space Ponies, no siree. Also, back in season 1, Abra-Kadabra and Lightning Dawn both stepped out of line to attack the villains at different points, and they didn't get so much as a slap on the wrist.

-The other fighters were off dealing with Harkin who had the Crystal Heart, which was a far greater importance. As for Lightning, he was ordered to follow Twilight and stop her from fighting a battle she would not be able to win. and yes... Abra did step out of line, but given the circumstances then (He succeeded) Twilight willfully defied orders and questioned them on several occasional like a stubborn child just begging to cause trouble.

• They called the Insectos genocidal, but by season 5, they've already canonically rendered at least one species - the Elixians - extinct, and by the end of season 5, the Insectos themselves become their second (known) victims.

-This has already been covered. (extinction is a possibility, but sometimes it just can't be helped)

• They are furious at Tan Shi's misandry and proclaim that they truly care about gender equality. But looking at all of the times they dismiss a female character's suffering while crying rivers over a male character's suffering, look down on women for trying to act ladylike while not batting an eye at men for similar behavior, and being much quicker to reward male individuals for stepping out of line to help people, like Lightning and Abra, than with female individuals, like Twilight and Pinkie, it's very easy to see how Tan's points resonate more deeply with them than they realize.

-This seems just petty... Tan Shi grew up in a male dominate, chauvinistic world, the ponies live in more equality. And besides, Tan Shi wants to kill all men, even those who are good.

• In particular, certain individuals, like Lightning and Starla, have a track record of belittling any woman for offenses ranging from "being too silly" to "takes issue with their misbehavior", and the former even brushed away Cadance's grief over her lost brother in favor of his own tragic backstory, and seriously thought of hitting Twilight when they switched bodies and she complained that she can't control his powers.

-It depends on the situation and how the lady is acting, that's not being sexist. As for Cadance, Lightning was merely trying to help Cadance understand she has a reason to live and fight, and he hates seeing her act like she's lost her whole world (when she hasn't) He understands she's hurt, and thus shares his own pain with her— he knows what it's like to lose things, and he just trying to help her.

• In the seventeenth episode of the ninth season, they learn that, when settling disputes, Vistulans compete in a series of games and competitions, with losers getting banished and shunned. They consider this requirement of settling disputes to be a barbaric law, even before finding out what happens to the losers. However, in the third episode of the same season, Applejack and an Earth Pony named Apple Spice find out they're engaged to be married by a certain time and the contract cannot be changed at all. They must get married, although they don't want to and Applejack's parents, the ones who arranged the marriage, changed their minds or they will be penalized according to the law.

-The law is the law, no matter what race you are from. The Vistualans have their laws, and as barbaric as they are, it's still the law. As for Applejack's marriage, that was an Equestrian law (Not a Starfleet law) as it originated before the Starfleet era. Laws can be changed, but that doesn't give you the right to ignore them or break them, or interfere with the affairs and laws of others (Like how Star Trek is not allowed to interfere with the evolution or laws of species) We can only set examples and persuade them to change.

• Lightning Dawn calls Specter a coward for attacking him while he is a child. However, Starfleet fights only when they are sure they can win.

-True, I can't argue with that, but it's not being hypocritical, and it still does raise the old concern "Picking on creatures smaller/weaker than you are" So I wouldn't say it's hypocrtical.

• In the Season X episode, "Faith of the Blind", Starfleet reprimands the Blisstonians for thinking that their belief can heal their planet...despite the fact that belief was what brought back Equestria and Unicornicopia and combined them into one planet way back in the first season.

-Horribly incorrect. The ponies revived their world not just through prayer, but through magic too. The Blistonians, they were just making wishes upon stars and expected them to come true (It doesn't work that way)

Alrighty, then. I'll get my clippers and start cutting.

Plasma Power-

I often keep the Narrative and the In-verse separated.

First you look from the narrative POV Then you can you look at it from a Non-Narrative POV (even if the writer isn't making all this happen... could it still have happened naturally?)

• Palette Swap:

A particularly lazy example; as seen on the author's You Tube video on the characters, as the cast consist of just recolours of Twilight Sparkle, Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy and Scootaloo. Made even more obvious by the fact that, with the exception of Lightning Dawn, the author never actually bothered to recolour their eyes.

-Not true, Lightning's eyes were recolored, others I thought were just fine as they are.

• Heck, Rhymey isn't even a recolour; just Fluttershy with a horn, clothing, yellow tail, mane and different hairstyle.

-I copy-pasted ponies heads many times, it made the work faster.

• Starla Shine is, according to recent videos, just a Rarity clone, but not as shallow as the original. He has tried to cover this up by... slightly darkening Starla's coat, which he feels "ruins the design".

-Starla and Rarity still have differences, other than personality.

• Starla is White... Rarity is very light grey.
• Starla's mane is longer than Rarity's...

And anyway, just because they have resemblance is no reason for people to get worked up.

So, Mykan... I wonder what you think of all of my edits? Is there anything else I still need to fix?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fanfic.MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic#edit33135297

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.MyBravePonyStarfleetMagicSpacePonies#edit33135357

Edited by K4713-7R0P3R on May 15th 2022 at 9:26:45 AM

A reminder that while they can modify objective tropes, the fic’s author doesn’t have any extra weight on the examples as written, guys. No need to continuously ask their opinion.

It's very difficult to look at things his way, but alrighty then...

• Scary Dogmatic Aliens: While likely not intentionally written as such, they show traits of all four primary subtypes (and keep in mind, these are the heroes of the fic):

Alien Nazis for their belief in their own superiority above all others, leading to them condemning entire species. -Starfleet does nothing of the kind. They don't bully people to showoff their superiority. They are superior by fact.(Their powers/strengths/speed/experience/technology are far stronger than anything the Equestrians.) It's fact.

• Alien Commies for their enforcement of conformity through forcing the Equestrian ponies to abandon their old bodies, culture, and terminologies, with dissenters being harshly punished (just ask Brass Bolt or Ace Ray).

-This was already covered. It's Evolution (A new step into better than you were before) I think having human bodies is much better than being on all fours. As for the law... (This is going to get long) The people voted and agreed and passed Starfleet's laws and orders. (Like an democracy does) It's a matter for the people to decide. As a citizen, if you don't like a law or how things are you can convince your congress to help change it, or gather in groups and demonstrate that you are not the only one opposed. There you have a minority group. The minority has a right to demonstrate and try to convince the majority that laws should be changes... but nobody has any right to ignore the laws or break them. If you break the law... you answer for it, simple.If you wish to demonstrate your outrage, you will do so within the law and not violate it.

• Alien Fundamentalists for their unwavering belief in the Grand Ruler and hostility towards those opposing him.

-This was covered before... People don't aren't being bullied, but if they misbehave, cause trouble, or do something silly because they have no knowledge or understanding int he seriousness of things... they are subjected to a verbal disicplining.

• Alien Conquistadores for basically taking over Equestria and subjugating its population as well as those of numerous other planets, in the name of protection.

This applies to the main page on the trope itself: -They're not invaders and didn't conquer Equestria. The two races agreed to live together, share, teach and learn from one another. Celesto was already Celestia's King consort from the beginning, he would have co-ruled Equestria with her had all the events not happened. They all chose to live together and COMBINE their ways of life (A combination of the old and the new)

• My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic has the Space Ponies, who are a combination of all four primary variants. They're a militaristic race wholly devoted to their charismatic Grand Ruler who preach conformity and obedience while shunning anyone who disagrees with their beliefs, to the point of forcing their way of life and even humanoid forms like their own onto Equestria's population.

-This was already covered. Starfleet is an intergalactic defense organization (Military, yes) But not everyone is a soldier, some are just civilians. (No one is drafted) And the people chose Celesto to be their Grand Ruler for all he had done for them (Raising them, protecting them, feeding them, educating them) "A true ruler is not made by how handsome or powerful he is... but by those who choose to follow him." and they don't shun or snub people, they, just like anyone have low tolerance for pushy bullies and loud-mouthed whiners and complainers with ridiculous notions.

• They also practice The Right of a Superior Species, using it to essentially annex other worlds into their empire in the name of protection (and have been known to appoint their own members into positions of power over those worlds), and view themselves as superior to other species in every way, with one random guy dropping the line "Space Ponies ARE stronger than you Equestrians, but we don't treat you like slaves, and we don't bluntly rub [it] in your faces." Furthermore, the stories have them canonically committing genocide on at least one race that they deem Always Chaotic Evil. The real kicker? They're presented as the heroes.

-This has already been covered too...

Synchronicity-

It's not really a bother to me, but if the trope is going to be cleaned up properly (As well as within site rules) I do need to offer my view as well the actual facts of things.

K4713-7R0P3R-

Well it's a good start, but we have a very, very, very long way to go (Much that needs cleaning) We should even consider cleaning Friendship is Failure (if that's possible)

You just keep bringing up issues (Try not to bring up so many at once) and I'll look at them and answer them when I can.

That will be all for tonight. (I don't mean to sound "In charge" I know I'm not)

Edited by DakariKingMykan on May 15th 2022 at 6:51:20 AM

Well, considering how many tropes are based more on YMMV stuff, it's going to take a pretty long time. And I agree that all of your other works may need a cleanup too.

I wouldn't say "may" I'd say they "do"

But like I said (Not ordering, just suggesting)

One thing at a time, and go at a pace.

Goodnight then, And I'm very thankful for this.

YMMV.Friendship Is Failure

• Creator's Pet: All of Mykan's Original Characters are treated as in the right in spite of their actions either being illogical or outright jerkish. Bonus points for Talon Ted and Stone Heart, whom Celestia scolds Twilight for trying to help them instead of calling them out on their deplorable behavior herself. More bonus points go to Helper Soul who Mykan admits is his favorite.
  • Celestia sometimes falls into this. Mykan has frequently stated he has a crush on her and it really shows. She's always on the side of the Author Avatar characters even when their actions become illegal or illogical and she's often used as a way to give Twilight's inevitable failure at the end of a story more sting.
  • And just like in Starfleet Magic, Spike becomes this sometimes given that the narrative does its best to shoehorn him into the story when he has no reason to be there.

All the characters here listed aren't Scrappies, since they're hated by the hatedom, not the fans. So they don't fall under TV Tropes's definition of Creator's Pet. Bonus points for Celestia and Spike's entry starting off with Weasel Words.

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By the way, doesn't the writer have to intentionally make a character The Woobie? I just realized a lot of the Woobie entries on Mykan's YMMV pages were for characters that you weren't supposed to feel bad for according to him.

From Friendship Is Failure for example:

• The Woobie:
  • As mentioned previously, Twilight often becomes this in the various stories. The poor girl just wants to help people and make their lives better and she's rewarded for this by being humiliated and talked down to, even by her own mentor, Celestia. END OF ENDS makes this even worse as her horn gets ripped off preventing her from doing her special talent and she's forced to watch her niece and brother die horribly right in front of her.
  • Princess Cadance also becomes this in Love Doesn't Work That Way and END OF ENDS. In the former, she's this for unknowingly being Strings' unrequited crush and forced to feel bad because he won't move on from her. In the latter, she suffers along with Twilight and is forced to watch her daughter and husband get murdered in front of her. Once again, all because Mykan hates her for being Happily Married while Davis and Beast Boy are not.
  • Sun Rae, also from the same chapter as Strings, is this because she had to fall for someone like Strings, a pony who won't even try to love her back because he's fixated on a foalhood crush that will never be reciprocated.
  • Terra becomes this very quickly in END OF ENDS. She just wants a normal life away from being a superhero and all the pain and trauma it entailed, but thanks to Beast Boy manipulating her, she becomes wracked with guilt for reasons she really shouldn't be guilty for and ends up being dragged right back into the very life that caused her so much pain.
  • Rarity is ultimately this in Fallout Fashions as she did everything she could to make up for her betrayal to her friend Needle/Manny but he still refuses to forgive her.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 15th 2022 at 12:09:37 PM

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Creator.Dakari King Mykan

• Broken Aesop: Despite the things he says about friendship being worthless and all that, his characters tend to be a tightly knit team that rely on each other to get the job done.

Just because they're in a team that works well together doesn't mean they're friends. Only thing that might make this a keeper is if any of the teams in Mykan's works are friends.

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• Creator's Pet: All of Mykan's Original Characters are treated as in the right in spite of their actions either being illogical or outright jerkish.

-My characters are not all that illogical, some of them make very valid points like when they say they don't want to or need to change. Yet they get bullied by townsfolk, and/or harassed my Twilight and friends hoping they will comply to their ways. Some things my characters do are wrong, I admit, but just some... not every single thing like existing in the first place.

• Bonus points for Talon Ted and Stone Heart, whom Celestia scolds Twilight for trying to help them instead of calling them out on their deplorable behavior herself.

-As deplorable as their behaviors may get to seem, they still asked Twilight to stop and leave them alone, and yet she continued to harass them. Celestia rightfully scolds Twilight for not respecting ponies' privacy and giving them their space.

• More bonus points go to Helper Soul who Mykan admits is his favorite.

-He used to be my fav, he's not anymore (That goes to Stone Heart)

• Celestia sometimes falls into this. Mykan has frequently stated he has a crush on her and it really shows.

-Yes, I do have a reluctant crush on her, but that's not the point... (This should not even be stated as it appears to be fun-poking/bullying)

• She's always on the side of the Author Avatar characters even when their actions become illegal or illogical and she's often used as a way to give Twilight's inevitable failure at the end of a story more sting.

-No... She once had to punish Stone Heart by sentencing him to 100 hours of community service, and as for Twilight Sparkle, (As has been covered) Twilight tends to get very carried away, especially with her obsessions in never resting until ponies conform to her way, even after they demand she stop. She is pretty much harassing ponies, which is also illegal.

• And just like in Starfleet Magic, Spike becomes this sometimes given that the narrative does its best to shoehorn him into the story when he has no reason to be there.

-Spike is seen by me and most fans as the absolute sanest of all the main cast, and even in Canon he has warned Twilight about getting carried away or being ridiculous. It's proper for me to portray him this way.

• As mentioned previously, Twilight often becomes this in the various stories. The poor girl just wants to help people and make their lives better and she's rewarded for this by being humiliated and talked down to, even by her own mentor, Celestia.

-Not a Woobie. Twilight has a nasty tenancy to freak out when Friendship is Failing (She fears that it would ruin all of Equestria, maybe cause evil to rise, and most of all... it'll make her look bad because it's her responsibility) She fails to grasp that some folks don't like, want, or need friendship in their lives. They feel fine and content with how they are (They work, they pay their bills and taxes, and they aren't hurting anyone or causing a ruckus) She also doesn't seem to understand that what feels right for her isn't right for everyone, but she seems to never quit until the subject has conformed to her way of thinking. That's being a control-freak, not a good friend. So sometimes, people have to go to extremes to get her to take the hint... that she just can't win.

• END OF ENDS makes this even worse as her horn gets ripped off preventing her from doing her special talent and she's forced to watch her niece and brother die horribly right in front of her.

-Not a Woobie, that's not supposed to make a Woobie. It's just part of the script to make her realize what's she's up against.

• Princess Cadance also becomes this in Love Doesn't Work That Way and END OF ENDS. In the former, she's this for unknowingly being Strings' unrequited crush and forced to feel bad because he won't move on from her.

-Not a Woobie... Strings is the Woobie because has the feelings and he is feeling crushed.

-In the latter, she suffers along with Twilight and is forced to watch her daughter and husband get murdered in front of her. -This time I think agree... she is a woobie here.

• Once again, all because Mykan hates her for being Happily Married while Davis and Beast Boy are not.

-Sad to say it's true. (Cadance gets Happy Ever Afters too easily, just like all the other ponies. It's about time they understood what it's like to have lost)

• Sun Rae, also from the same chapter as Strings, is this because she had to fall for someone like Strings, a pony who won't even try to love her back because he's fixated on a foalhood crush that will never be reciprocated.

-Yes, she's a woobie, but Love and Try do not go together. Love is not something that two people can "try" and make happen. They either have something very special, or they don't. Strings can't help who he loves, and he can't change his feelings simply because others want him to. Love doesn't work that way.

• Terra becomes this very quickly in END OF ENDS. She just wants a normal life away from being a superhero and all the pain and trauma it entailed, but thanks to Beast Boy manipulating her, she becomes wracked with guilt for reasons she really shouldn't be guilty for and ends up being dragged right back into the very life that caused her so much pain.

-Big time wrong: Terra is no woobie here. Her reasons for wanting to live a normal life are understandable, but breaking Beast Boy's heart and the way she handled things are totally inexcusable. All she did was cause more of the very pain and trauma she was trying to avoid. Beast Boy also did not manipulate her... she was already feeling wracked with guilt without him (She couldn't stop thinking about him, and maybe she was regretting what she did) Perhaps she still truly did still have feelings for him which is why she can't stop thinking of him, and maybe she isn't cut out to live a normal life. She's not a normal person and never will be (She has powers) and how long can she suppress her longing for adventure and excitement. As for the life that caused her so much pain... No, it was all her poor choices and serious lack of judgment that caused that; but with Beast Boy's help she can improve it. Point is, BB is not to blame.

• Rarity is ultimately this in Fallout Fashions as she did everything she could to make up for her betrayal to her friend Needle/Manny but he still refuses to forgive her.

-Not a woobie: the fact that she still committed forgery, fraud, grand theft, and perjury... and in doing so ruined her friend's life nearly irreparably, and she thinks she can make him forgive her. You cannot force forgiveness on someone... only they can decide whether or not to forgive and forget, and if they don't... it's just how it is.

Woobie's entirely subjective. If the audience finds Twilight sympathetic and pitiable, she's a woobie. It doesn't matter if you intended it.

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

Broken Aesop: Despite the things he says about friendship being worthless and all that, his characters tend to be a tightly knit team that rely on each other to get the job done.

-Firstly: I don't really think friendship is all that worthless.

-Second: I am Me... my characters are Not Me. They don't think the exact same way I do.

Just because they're in a team that works well together doesn't mean they're friends. Only thing that might make this a keeper is if any of the teams in Mykan's works are friends.

This was already covered above (My characters don't think every single way that I do) also, in real life... there is a difference between an "Ally" and a "Friend".

• You can choose to help someone... does that automatically make you a friend?
• You help out someone you cannot stand (For whatever reason) That doesn't make you friends.
• You can even renounce your friendship to your allies and state "We are just teammates"

Edited by DakariKingMykan on May 15th 2022 at 9:09:28 AM

@War Jay 77

Just making it clear, that's all.

So you're saying that an audience can feel that way towards a character even if the author didn't intend for them to feel that way towards them. I understand.

Anyways, the entries I shown are still quite bashy. Some trimming is a must here.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 15th 2022 at 1:12:01 PM

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That's how I see it, anyway. Otherwise, why would it be subjective?

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

No one can really tell you or anyone What to feel about a character, and how you should see it. Everyone's got their tastes.

It's just that I don't like the way people get all bashy and mean-spirited because they don't like something that much. they don't have to like what I like, but they should respect my choices instead of giving me a hard time over it. (I know you're not)

Anyway... I'm going to bed. Goodnight.

Edited by DakariKingMykan on May 15th 2022 at 9:18:53 AM

Good night man.

An example from Fanfic.My Brave Pony Starfleet Magic:

• Villain Decay:
  • Discord, god of chaos and, in general, considered one of the best characters in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, is reduced to a brainwashed monster henchman of Big Bad Titan near the end of the story and loses his reality warping abilities. To add insult to injury, he gets Killed Off for Real by Celestia.
  • The sequel also does this to Queen Chrysalis, taking away what character and competence she had and reducing her to a generic Bad Boss who sits back and lets her minions do all the work while lacking any personality other than being evil (which is literally the only type of Big Bad that ever shows up in the series).

"in general, considered one of the best characters in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic".

This sentence didn't age well. Anyways, was Discord still considered a villan at the point this was written and how the story writes him?

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I wonder if there are any tropes you think are good for the Space Ponies? They seem to be heavily running on I Did What I Had to Do, but that's just my opinion.