Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
He/Him
Harry Potter – The Trio only 15,958 bytes long
Merging Hermione and Ron back would lead to the Trio page being around 149K bytes.
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Merge them back.
I am going to do the Ducktales changes tomorrow.
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re:Guilty Gear
Faust, Jack O and Asuka seem like they're good to merge back. Idk about Sol and Ky though. The former is the biggest folder and would be most likely to stay as is. All of the characters from Missing Link come together to make ~350k bytes, so it will have to be split no matter what. If you were split between base roster and unlockable roster, that would still leave ~286k, and removing Sol from that puts it at ~215k.
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I think those first three can definitely be merged, and then I guess Sol and Ky stay as is (in a similar manner to Jin/Kazuya from Tekken?)
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Goku Black
Kung Fu Panda – The Jade Palace (49,000), Kung Fu Panda – Master Po Ping (57,000), Kung Fu Panda The Furious Five (39,000) and Kung Fu Panda – Master Tigress (51,000).
TBH we could just combine them all. Would be under 200, 000
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All sounds good too
Edited by lexii on Mar 9th 2024 at 2:43:56 PM
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The Batman stuff will be a bit of a pain to fix the wicks at the top of the pages. I think I'll do the Dredd stuff first...when I get to it.
EDIT: I got Batman Film Series: Batman merged back; I didn't touch the villains, and haven't done the Dark Knight Trilogy yet though.
Edited by ACW on Mar 9th 2024 at 11:08:26 AM
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With the newer rules being in place (which also results in the loss of much of my efforts to making CSP pages), I do want to bring up the topic of Elden Ring, specifically the Demigod Cast. While most of the prominent deities go over 40K byes, I should note that while they altogether would amount to more than 250K bytes, I think compiling them into a group would likely make more sense. Here's my proposal...
- Godfrey's Lineage (includes Godfrey, Godwyn, Morgott, Mohg, Godefroy, and Godrick)
- Radagon's Lineage (includes Radahn, Rykard, Ranni, Malenia, and Miquella)
Marika (and Radagon) herself could be placed in the main Demigod page, but the topic might become trickier than expected, so I would like some input on what can be done in this situation.
Edited by CrimsonShark on Mar 9th 2024 at 4:16:06 PM
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Okay, I merged Dredd back with the other Judges and the Dark Judges back with Deadworld.
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Nice
Currently, The Last of Us is split as follows - I think we can definitely merge some of these pages, and would be keen for input. I wonder if it's simply a case of adding Ellie and Joel to the main page (making it 210k), and combining the three other pages into one? (137k)
- Main page - 122k
- Joel - 45k
- Ellie - 44k
- Fireflies - 22k
- Residents of Jackson, Wyoming - 33k
- Washington Liberation Front - 82k
Edited by lexii on Mar 9th 2024 at 4:33:34 PM
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So, am I good to do the Ducktales changes?
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Hi! :3
With this new policy, this is going to be a hell of cleanup
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Cool. I will do it as soon as I can today.
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@ Crimson Shark - your proposal for the Demigods sounds good to me
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Oh, lord, tell me about it. Even disregarding the DC and Marvel comics stuff, some of them (hello MCU and Arrowverse) will be nightmares. Hell, even ones like Mortal Kombat will be annoying because of the page headers.
Say, this may not be the place, but is there a way to remove stuff from the page heading indexes without having to do it manually? Having to go through all the Mortal Kombat pages one-by-one will be a major pain in the ass.
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The Dragon
Any thoughts on this?
@3635 Given that Radagon being Marika's half is a Walking Spoiler, I think that she should be placed on her own. For the rest to merging the Demigods according to Godfrey/Radagon's lineages
Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Allies has 31k bytes, with Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender General Iroh's page being 61k bytes, while Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender The Fire Nation Royal Family being 63k bytes, Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Fire Lord Ozai's page being 86k bytes. Azula's page is large enough to remain separated (142k bytes). Should I merge Iroh and Ozai's pages back?
Edited by kuchiki222 on Mar 9th 2024 at 11:00:56 AM
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I’m planning an overhaul of the Star Trek pages. Does someone want to look at the CSP’s for those before I do?
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
I think all of those pages could get merged back, if need be it looks like those groups could be sub-divided into further ones.
Merging them back sounds good to me.
If someone else doesn't do it first I can eventually take a look at those.
In the meanwhile, I took a look at the CSPs that exist for Hunter x Hunter:
- Hunter × Hunter: Main Characters - 88,756 chars (<=190,296 with merges)
- Hunter × Hunter: Gon Freecs - 54,370 chars
- Hunter × Hunter: Killua Zoldyck - 47,170 chars
- Hunterx Hunter Chimera Ants - 90,873 chars (<140k with merges)
- Hunterx Hunter Meruem - 41,390 chars
Agree that these CSPs should be merged back?
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Merge back, redirect.
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Merged back all the Hunter x Hunter pages and made the leftover pages redirects.
By the way, does anyone have thoughts regarding what I brought up in the second paragraph of this post?
As stated here
, Stolas will be merged back as his parent page Characters.Helluva Boss Goetia Royalty isn't quite big enough when you merge the gay Owl back.
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