Misused: Author Existence Failure

It's not wordy either, considering we have some tropes with seven words that are well remembered as well (Exactly What It Says on the Tin, Names to Run Away from Really Fast, I Want My Beloved to Be Happy, Screw the Rules, I'm Doing What's Right!, etc.) and one with eight words and two sentences (Aw, Look! They Really Do Love Each Other). Surely this (Died During Production But Not From It) having seven words and maybe two segments (the main trope part and the clarification for this specific trope) should be intuitive/memorable enough for people.

Edited by Piterpicher on May 6th 2021 at 4:06:40 PM

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...Honestly I have no idea what to rename this trope. I'm at a complete loss.

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It’s not about how wordy it is, it’s about how well it flows. Titles such as Exactly What It Says on the Tin, Aw, Look! They Really Do Love Each Other, and Names to Run Away from Really Fast may be wordy, but they’re all memorable and flow well. Died During Production But Not From It is just plain awkward, though; the “but not from it” part is clearly tacked on.

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I mean, I did say it is a second segment of sorts. Maybe we'll need to start dropping well-flowing trope titles if it means clarity, I don't know if we reached that point yet though. Still, Clear, Concise, Witty.

Edited by Piterpicher on May 6th 2021 at 6:01:26 PM

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I think the current leading title in the crowner (Died During Production) would overlap too much with Fatal Method Acting.

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I'll make the argument that this is correct. Fatal Method Acting should be a subtrope of Died During Production. In this case, the creator that died is the actor, and it is specifically on set (or on location), but it is still a creator who died before the work was complete.

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Agreed, if we want to take it as super-trope to sub-trope, then yes, Died During Production should be good enough (unless it's clear people are only using the super-trope when the sub-trope would be more applicable, and I know this is more like super-trivia or whatever).

Edited by Piterpicher on May 6th 2021 at 6:16:36 PM

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If we can't come up with anything more clear I'd rather keep the current name, which is at least funny.

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I agree that Fatal Method Acting should be a subtrope of this.

This paragraph in Author Existence Failure's description appears to be the main obstacle to considering it one, unless we remove it:

Personally, I'm fine with removing the requirement that the dead creator has to have had a signficant role in the work's production (such as handling behind-the-scenes stuff), especially since TV Tropes puts the participants in question in the Creator/ namespace alongside writers, directors, etc.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 7th 2021 at 10:48:16 AM

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Okay, if we're doing a supertrope/subtrope idea, maybe Died During Production does have merit.

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So, the crowner does have consensus, so what're we doing?

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Considering only one option is within consensus range and is winning by a large margin, we probably have consensus now.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 21st 2021 at 3:44:45 AM

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Right, but people seem to dislike the title for valid reasons...So...what's the play?

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Oh, I didn't know that's what you meant, since I hadn't kept up with this thread in a while. I'm not sure, then.

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Realized I hit the wrong button and locked it. We should be fine now. I'll perform the move in a moment!

Edit: Move done; we got 2687 wicks, including 8 from a redirect.

Edited by Berrenta on May 21st 2021 at 12:02:23 PM

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Ok, I come here after finding out that Author Existence Failure was renamed... and yet the crowner for renaming the trope was never linked on the article.

I checked the article 3 days ago, thanks to the unfortunate death of Miura. There was no crowner or link informing tropers about the possible change. And seeing how controversial the rename was, it seems to me that this was awfully fast-tracked on the basis of consensus despite there being a lot of arguments for why it shouldn't be renamed. The previous name was catchy and easy enough to understand - it only required a wick check to get rid of bad examples.

Edited by Edgar81539 on May 22nd 2021 at 2:55:08 PM

I don't really agree with that yes the name is catchy but it is incredibly unillustrative for what the trope is about, not even really indicating in the title very well that it is about the author dying before their work is complete. Simply cleaning up the misused examples was not going to help as people would inevitably start using it again for any instance of an author dying.

I hate to say this but it has been shown multiple times that tropers don't read the entire description for a trope and rely on the title and most of the misuse seemed to stem from the poor title indicating that this is about any author dying. Yeah, the rename is a bit annoying but in my opinion, it had to be done as it was the best solution to the problem. Maybe the current name wasn't the best choice but not renaming it at all IMO is an even worse iea.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on May 22nd 2021 at 1:53:23 AM

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Still, I can certainly see where Edgar is coming from.

I mean, it does say on the crowner: "Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles."

I know that's probably part of the site software and you can't change it very easily, but you can understand why people who aren't TRS regulars would assume things will work how it says they will.

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It’s part of the rules for Fanfic Recommendations and all of its subpages.

^ What is?

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The Author Existence Failure link.

I don't see Author Existence Failure anywhere on Fanfic Recommendations, and looking at the Related pages, it only shows up on a small handful of FanficRecs/ pages. Are you sure you didn't get it mixed up with something else?

I removed it from the main page already. And I was under the assumption that the rules were repeated on the subpages (like DMOS).