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PlasmaPower Smug as fudge. Relationship Status: In love with love
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Oct 30th 2020 at 6:52:07 AM

I was inspired by the TRS post I made because there's still a mess of gushing and preemptive troping in the examples despite the definition of the trope being expanded. Like this for example:

YMMV.Super Mario 64

  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • In the Shoshinkai demo, taking care of Bowser was too easy: all you had to do was swing him by the tail and throw him at one of the bombs. In the final product, this was only the first of three Bowser fights, with the next two becoming progressively more difficult.
    • Once you make it to the top of Peach's castle, the back of it looks entirely unfinished. This was fixed in the DS remake where they covered it with a green hill.

I don't think the first example counts because that was prerelease. It's not like anyone other than the press had access to that version of the game. The second might count though.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 30th 2020 at 10:55:05 AM

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Oct 31st 2020 at 1:19:04 PM

I've got another example here:

AuthorsSavingThrow.WesternAnimation

I don't think the new series has even come out yet, which means it's still too early to tell if it's better than the film adaptation.

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Oct 31st 2020 at 1:20:50 PM

Also, Mike and Brian are no longer at the helm, so its potential is even more up in the air.

Nov 19th 2020 at 4:24:32 PM

Spider-Man: Miles Morales:

  • Author's Saving Throw: Wilson Fisk's Starter Villain status in the main game didn't sit well with many fans of the character. As such, it's a welcome surprise to discover that Fisk is orchestrating the buy-out of Harlem from inside the Raft. While Miles stops his plans, it's only a small step to taking him down for good.

Was that DLC otherwise misuse, even if DLC may have been planned before. Cut?

Thought's about giving ATS a one week waiting period? It's the smallest one we have and since simply stating it only applies prerelease doesn't seem enough.

Kevjro7 Susjection!
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Dec 30th 2020 at 12:44:07 PM

AuthorsSavingThrow.Star Wars: First example in the Mandalorian folder:

  • Chapter 5, "The Gunslinger," fleshes out the Tusken Raiders more by showing them as willing to allow Mando to cross their land when he pays them for permission. This is followed up further in Chapter 9, "The Marshal", when they have much more screentime, willingly working with the residents of Mos Pelgo and forging a peace to take down a giant Krayt Dragon.
The entry never says that Tusken Raiders not being fleshed was ever a problem, and I've never heard any Star Wars fans complain about the Tusken Raiders being Flat Characters. Does it count if the writer tried to "fix" something that was never a problem or complained about at all?

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Dec 30th 2020 at 12:55:34 PM

I should mention that the link in OP is broken, but the user is suspended.

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Kevjro7 Susjection!
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Jan 1st 2021 at 9:55:02 AM

Thought's about giving ATS a one week waiting period? It's the smallest one we have and since simply stating it only applies prerelease doesn't seem enough.
I'm ok with a one week waiting period since the throw may end up backfiring upon release. The waiting period is enough time to see if it actually worked.

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Mar 27th 2021 at 3:44:00 PM

Some time ago, I deleted this entry for Author's Saving Throw:

  • Author's Saving Throw: Glavenus has sometimes been regarded as a Spotlight-Stealing Squad, due to how much more focus it got compared to other members of the Fated Four. In Generations, it was the only one of the four flagship monsters with a Deviant. While it was DLC, it was the only one of the Fated Four to be in Stories. And in Iceborne, it was the only fourth-generation mascot featured at all... and got a new subspecies on top of everything else. Come Rise, however, Glavenus's return has yet to be confirmed, while Mizutsune has gotten front-and-center treatment in early promotions.

Steam was the one who originally added the entry, I removed it on the grounds it was too soon to tell that Glavenus was returning, since he added it before the game was release. Then today, PC Awesomeness went and readded the entry with no changes whatsoever.

Also, Mizutsune is one of the Fated Four, which would disqualify it from being an Ensemble Darkhorse.

Iím going to try to invite both here to discuss this.

Mar 27th 2021 at 8:19:47 PM

Find it kinda odd that I was called here in regards to an action I had no involvement in (the re-instatement of my entry) but I'll still argue my case for the original posting and now also its return.

Glavenus has been haunted by the issue of favoritism and getting the spotlight more than the other Fated Four ever since basic Generations. My original post discusses that, and there's other examples of it too like how the rest of the Fated Four are not on that 15th Anniversary poster.

It is a genuine complaint in the fandom. It's not even an issue of "why is it Glavenus?" and more "why is it ALWAYS Glavenus?" When you have a game that goes "we have four mascots here" but then subsequently throw in the caveat "we're only going to really pay attention to one of them", then you really just have a game with one mascot.

And Glavenus didn't even represent 4th gen games well at all either. The other members of the Fated Four correspond to a particular monster type that in some way connects them to their "representative" generation. Glavenus really doesn't (there were otherwise no Brute Wyverns introduced in 4th gen and none of its gimmicks really call back to verticality or any design choices or themes of the games either). But he's the one that always get featured. Not all returning mascots in Iceborne even got alternate species incarnations featured, but Glavenus gets to have a new one, something none of the other mascots got.

This is ultimately all why people complained Glavenus got preferential treatment and it was really starting to show.

Also keep in mind that this isn't the first time the franchise had mascots that were pushed too heavily. Zinogre also had this problem as well for a while, even getting to be the mascot featured at the attraction at USJ.

So then we get Rise. People hoped for Mizutsune from the outset due to representing third gen titles (and Portable 3rd most pointedly), and Mizutsune itself was fairly popular without getting featured anywhere near as much as Glavenus. Also above been argued that being part of the Fated Four somehow precludes it from being an Ensemble Darkhorse, a sentiment I don't agree with because within a group there is one member that clearly has been getting nigh-exclusive focus and attention, and even special attention even when looked at as part of the larger grouping of being the franchise's mascots.

Mizutsune's popularity stems from a very unique BGM, a unique status ailment in its fight that introduces a strong but satisfying risk-reward system, a very unique way of fighting the player, and a Deviant fight where it has a new gimmick that is readily apparent and engaging while also maintaining fairness. Its own identity is very strong and well-pronounced within the space that it was allotted, space that never eclipsed its fellow mascots Gammoth and Astalos, let alone Glavenus.

As far as mascots went, Mizutsune was underdeveloped and underutilized, its popularity not born from marketing or excessively being featured, just as a Darkhorse ought to be. And finally, with the announcement of the most thematically appropriate game for it to return in, it does, while simultaneously announcing that Leviathans -themselves a fairly underutilized monster type despite there being so many of them- were back at last.

Furthermore, Glavenus making a return wouldn't have invalidated this saving throw. So long as it didn't once more overshadowed Mizutsune or other returning mascots, like it has before, things would have been fine, at least in my book.

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Mar 27th 2021 at 9:00:15 PM

[up] I did end up rewriting the entry a bit so that it wouldnít end up being dated, if thatís a good enough compromise.

Mar 27th 2021 at 9:06:20 PM

You can do whatever you want, I wrote it based off of my understanding of how the corresponding tropes worked. I wasn't too upset about it being taken down, though I did appreciate it being put back up.

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Mar 27th 2021 at 9:09:03 PM

Itís funny how you mention Mizutsune being an ED, yet it doesnít have an entry anywhere on the Monster Hunter YMMV pages. Guess thatís a writeup for another time I guess.

Mar 28th 2021 at 8:01:30 AM

I found this on the YMMV page for Speechless:

  • Author's Saving Throw: The below concern that J.J. wasn't really focused on in the Pilot is fixed in the series proper, with the following episodes focused more on J.J. and his concerns than the family as a whole, though his mother's still a major focus.

I think those episodes were already produced when the pilot aired, so I doubt they were written to address criticisms of the pilot.

Mar 29th 2021 at 7:16:43 AM

I readded it because we've waited all this time and there's still no sign of Glavenus in the base game, nor is it particularly likely to appear in title updates.

When it does get added, I could add a little extra detail to the post, but for now, I want to treat it as completely absent. I guess it was a bit rash of me to add everything back word-for-word, though, seeing as you mentioned some parts not making sense (like Mizutsune being an Ensemble Darkhorse).

Also, I believe that the edit you made kinda sorta makes the point less clear.

Edited by PCAwesomeness on Mar 29th 2021 at 7:18:38 AM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread
Mar 29th 2021 at 7:37:59 AM

Can flagship monsters in Monster Hunter even count for Ensemble Dark Horse? Ensemble Dark Horse is meant for minor characters, and a flagship monster isn't exactly a minor character in a Monster Hunter game.

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Mar 29th 2021 at 11:51:05 PM

[up] No, they shouldn't. ED should only apply for monsters with next to no story importance and no promotional coverage.

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Apr 6th 2021 at 7:02:38 PM

Bringing up the following example from the game section of Superman Returns:

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