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I was inspired by the TRS post I made because there's still a mess of gushing and preemptive troping in the examples despite the definition of the trope being expanded. Like this for example:
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I don't think the first example counts because that was prerelease. It's not like anyone other than the press had access to that version of the game. The second might count though.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 30th 2020 at 10:55:05 AM
I've got another example here:
I don't think the new series has even come out yet, which means it's still too early to tell if it's better than the film adaptation.
Also, Mike and Brian are no longer at the helm, so its potential is even more up in the air.
Spider-Man: Miles Morales:
Was that DLC otherwise misuse, even if DLC may have been planned before. Cut?
Thought's about giving ATS a one week waiting period? It's the smallest one we have and since simply stating it only applies prerelease doesn't seem enough.
AuthorsSavingThrow.Star Wars: First example in the Mandalorian folder:
I should mention that the link in OP is broken, but the user is suspended.
Some time ago, I deleted this entry for Author's Saving Throw:
Steam was the one who originally added the entry, I removed it on the grounds it was too soon to tell that Glavenus was returning, since he added it before the game was release. Then today, PC Awesomeness went and readded the entry with no changes whatsoever.
Also, Mizutsune is one of the Fated Four, which would disqualify it from being an Ensemble Darkhorse.
Iím going to try to invite both here to discuss this.
Find it kinda odd that I was called here in regards to an action I had no involvement in (the re-instatement of my entry) but I'll still argue my case for the original posting and now also its return.
Glavenus has been haunted by the issue of favoritism and getting the spotlight more than the other Fated Four ever since basic Generations. My original post discusses that, and there's other examples of it too like how the rest of the Fated Four are not on that 15th Anniversary poster.
It is a genuine complaint in the fandom. It's not even an issue of "why is it Glavenus?" and more "why is it ALWAYS Glavenus?" When you have a game that goes "we have four mascots here" but then subsequently throw in the caveat "we're only going to really pay attention to one of them", then you really just have a game with one mascot.
And Glavenus didn't even represent 4th gen games well at all either. The other members of the Fated Four correspond to a particular monster type that in some way connects them to their "representative" generation. Glavenus really doesn't (there were otherwise no Brute Wyverns introduced in 4th gen and none of its gimmicks really call back to verticality or any design choices or themes of the games either). But he's the one that always get featured. Not all returning mascots in Iceborne even got alternate species incarnations featured, but Glavenus gets to have a new one, something none of the other mascots got.
This is ultimately all why people complained Glavenus got preferential treatment and it was really starting to show.
Also keep in mind that this isn't the first time the franchise had mascots that were pushed too heavily. Zinogre also had this problem as well for a while, even getting to be the mascot featured at the attraction at USJ.
So then we get Rise. People hoped for Mizutsune from the outset due to representing third gen titles (and Portable 3rd most pointedly), and Mizutsune itself was fairly popular without getting featured anywhere near as much as Glavenus. Also above been argued that being part of the Fated Four somehow precludes it from being an Ensemble Darkhorse, a sentiment I don't agree with because within a group there is one member that clearly has been getting nigh-exclusive focus and attention, and even special attention even when looked at as part of the larger grouping of being the franchise's mascots.
Mizutsune's popularity stems from a very unique BGM, a unique status ailment in its fight that introduces a strong but satisfying risk-reward system, a very unique way of fighting the player, and a Deviant fight where it has a new gimmick that is readily apparent and engaging while also maintaining fairness. Its own identity is very strong and well-pronounced within the space that it was allotted, space that never eclipsed its fellow mascots Gammoth and Astalos, let alone Glavenus.
As far as mascots went, Mizutsune was underdeveloped and underutilized, its popularity not born from marketing or excessively being featured, just as a Darkhorse ought to be. And finally, with the announcement of the most thematically appropriate game for it to return in, it does, while simultaneously announcing that Leviathans -themselves a fairly underutilized monster type despite there being so many of them- were back at last.
Furthermore, Glavenus making a return wouldn't have invalidated this saving throw. So long as it didn't once more overshadowed Mizutsune or other returning mascots, like it has before, things would have been fine, at least in my book.
I did end up rewriting the entry a bit so that it wouldnít end up being dated, if thatís a good enough compromise.
You can do whatever you want, I wrote it based off of my understanding of how the corresponding tropes worked. I wasn't too upset about it being taken down, though I did appreciate it being put back up.
Itís funny how you mention Mizutsune being an ED, yet it doesnít have an entry anywhere on the Monster Hunter YMMV pages. Guess thatís a writeup for another time I guess.
I found this on the YMMV page for Speechless:
I think those episodes were already produced when the pilot aired, so I doubt they were written to address criticisms of the pilot.
I readded it because we've waited all this time and there's still no sign of Glavenus in the base game, nor is it particularly likely to appear in title updates.
When it does get added, I could add a little extra detail to the post, but for now, I want to treat it as completely absent. I guess it was a bit rash of me to add everything back word-for-word, though, seeing as you mentioned some parts not making sense (like Mizutsune being an Ensemble Darkhorse).
Also, I believe that the edit you made kinda sorta makes the point less clear.
Edited by PCAwesomeness on Mar 29th 2021 at 7:18:38 AM
Can flagship monsters in Monster Hunter even count for Ensemble Dark Horse? Ensemble Dark Horse is meant for minor characters, and a flagship monster isn't exactly a minor character in a Monster Hunter game.
No, they shouldn't. ED should only apply for monsters with next to no story importance and no promotional coverage.
Bringing up the following example from the game section of Superman Returns:
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How well does it match the trope?