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IIRC, it was drama from the roleplay's associated Discord server
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Oh that explains it. Thanks.
Redmess
Yes, it was drama from Discord spilling over into that thread. We still have a thread on that incident, I think.
Optimism is a duty.
🍊orange fursona🧡
This was the thread regarding the incident.
The TLP incident started with the de-troping of Badass Gay, which a user thought meant their representation was being taken away because the trope was gone. So if anything comes out of this, it's a Tropes Are Tools-adjacent predefined message saying TV Tropes documents tropes.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
OK, so I missed some stuff after I went to bed (and I'll go back and read the whole thing later), but I neglected to mention previously that we had discussion regarding whether to remove things currently on the timeline that aren't major milestones (major milestones being things like policy changes and updates to the site's coding).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 25th 2022 at 10:31:23 AM
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That would probably encompass most of the 2020+ folder since current stuff are easier to document on the fly than past stuff.
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I actually think we might need a Trope Timeline. Not TV Tropes Timeline, a Trope Timeline. Basically chronicles TRS changes over the years—renamings, redefinitions, cuts, and so on. The Trope Epitaph is the closest we currently have, but I think it would be worth it to create a formal timeline for trope changes. What does everyone else think?
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to that. I was wondering why that wasn't a thing yet
(she/her)
Might be best to make a separate for it on either Trope Talk or Wiki Talk.
Macron's notes
Veteran Editor IV
I don't think so. There's the Renamed Tropes index and at least that's still in TLP if I remember correctly.
Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 25th 2022 at 6:13:33 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I reviewed the previous timeline discussion just now, and I neglected to mention that 5T isn't actually an official name for the Gay draft incident. In fact, when we were discussing the timeline yesterday, Fighteer called that name a meme and expressed his distaste for it.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 25th 2022 at 2:14:06 PM
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Disasturbator
5T is rather unclear name for the accident, admittedly
New theme music also a box
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A procrastination in of itself
From where I sit 5T is just an incident of a number of individuals doing something stupid and getting themselves (temporarily) banned for it.
Mass-ban incidents are rare, but we’ve had a number of them (god knows OTC will have had plenty) and I don’t think anyone would suggest making them part of the site history.
The only difference I can see here is that in this instance that people who got in trouble have stuck around after learning their lesson. But it’s a prominent event for their personal history, not the site history.
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I mean yeah, it's likely better off forgotten, though it would affect the site's history as well in a way. It's like Columbine on a far smaller and less affecting scale (because you can't really compare suspensions on a site to deaths, I'm not trying to imply that), leading to major changes to prevent future cases (since we made the Sandbox.Were Improving The TLP and had some major reforms since then, not to mention attitudes), but also inspiring copycats (maybe not here, though, unless there's something I don't know of).
Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 25th 2022 at 10:16:11 AM
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Angry babby
I know what you're trying to say buuuut.... it's not like Columbine, man, LMAO.
I think the only real changes were the discussion of a hat/bomb limit and the ability to see who hatted/bombed stuff. The rest was mostly just broad community attitude changes, being less snarky and more constructive.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
the Retromancer
Maybe just say that TLP processes were adjusted at a time without elaborating why?
Edited by Amonimus on Jan 25th 2022 at 12:17:51 PM
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Nothing was really adjusted though, that's the thing.
Also, while nobody "in the incident" does it anymore I still see plenty of drafts get mass bombed and snarked at on the regular, so it frustrates me on a personal level because nothing about the TLP really got adjusted. If anything the only real related change is that users now tell the mods to nuke drafts early. (I say related because other changes, like the mods being able to see hat and bomb records and the histories getting fixed, came way later and seem just sort of incidental.)
Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 25th 2022 at 4:21:37 AM
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Veteran Editor IV
Attitude and technological change to events is gradual. I don't think we can expect everything to suddenly be perfect within a year and a half. None of them do it out of malicious intent either, and chances are someone would step in if anyone tried.
Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 25th 2022 at 10:23:37 AM
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I'm not saying it's malicious, I'm saying it's very telling of how the TLP community as a whole still has issues when it comes to "bad drafts"... especially in that everyone would rather bomb and snark at stubs than actually give criticism to drafts in need of it.
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Veteran Editor IV
Yeah, but back then we kinda did, out of a sense of group schadenfreude. They just don't have a clue and wouldn't go for records or anything like it. So I do think it's progress.
Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 25th 2022 at 10:31:45 AM
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the Retromancer
Since drafts have both the 3-day rule and 5-hats rule, maybe disable voting for 3 days to give the draft the chance to imporve, and then the draft gets what it deserved based on effort made.
(Is this even about the moderation?)
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(she/her)
Please move this line of discussion to the TLP Community Issues thread.
I thought the blowup happened because of Discord drama being imported to TV Tropes and someone making a suicide threat? I don't remember a roleplay blowup.
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