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Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
Someone suggested me to go here if I wanted a faster reply from mod. So the example I deleted (for misuse) from the YMMV page of Only Lovers Left Alive was brought back for no reason by this troper named Wavebird OS. So I deleted it back. That was their lastest edit from last month. Can you check if Wavebird OS is inactive or one of you guys did banned them before? And I'm not sure if it's the first time they done this.
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
Macron already responded to you in ATT.
Veteran Editor IV
Could we not have the moderators pass their subjective sense of humor as the defining one on this wiki or only one that's acceptable? As seen here (based on this ATT report). "Funny" and "dumb" are not mutually exclusive, despite beliefs to the contrary, and I did think that was a pretty decent meta joke on their part.
Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 16th 2022 at 5:15:35 PM
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Lost in Space
That's not why the user in question was suspended. Also, that "joke" violates our rules about example writing. This isn't subjective. We have style rules and they must be obeyed.
If someone wants to practice their stand-up routine, they can do it in front of their cat.
Edited by Fighteer on Jan 16th 2022 at 11:16:41 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It wasn't a joke, though. Or at least not written like one. It's more like a weird "motivational" statement like the one that used to be on You Are Not Alone, except more suited for the Real Life joke pages rather than an actual trope page. (I actually suggested adding it to that subpage back when it was brought up on the RL thread.)
Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 16th 2022 at 11:17:46 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Veteran Editor IV
You do have a point that the delivery didn't really make it a joke. And I do know it's not the reason that person was blocked. I would just appreciate fewer generalised subjective statements like "That's not funny, it's dumb" in the future.
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Angry babby
I generally dislike when mods open up an explanation of why a user was suspended with a condescending character judgment instead of, well, just explaining the rules of the site and how they were broken. I know it's tempting, especially when a user appears to be acting in bad faith, but sometimes it feels counterproductive, like it's just gonna make the user feel shitty and thus get more defensive and combative.
That said, the user in question is seemingly getting pissy about not being able to push this joke through (and it is a joke since they complained about other users not having a sense of humor), so I don't think "That's not funny, it's dumb" is too over the line here.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Redmess
Well, now we have to know what the actual joke was. Lets have it then.
Optimism is a duty.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It was just a Real Life folder on Single-Attempt Game that said "Make the most of it". Hence why I thought it would make more sense on Real Life rather than the actual trope page.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 16th 2022 at 1:38:36 PM
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Redmess
That's hardly a socially inappropriate joke. I've seen plenty of that kind of humour on the site over the years, too.
I guess you could make a case that we should not add joke examples, only real examples, and that the example had to be cut because it was not a trope applicable to real life.
I agree that Fighteer was a little too snarky on this one, especially since the ban wasn't about the joke in the first place. It just distracts from the actual problem being moderated.
Optimism is a duty.
Angry babby
The user wasn't suspended for the joke, they were suspended for re-adding the joke after it was cut. EDIT: Oh wait I see you know that.
Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 16th 2022 at 2:00:40 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
FWIW, I do think "So having a sense of humor is off-limits on this site now?" is a very bad way to appeal an edit ban. I can't blame Fighteer or anyone else for assuming it wasn't meant in good faith and responding accordingly.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
True, IDK how I would've responded to that if I were in Fighteer's shoes.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
FWIW when I saw that reaction on EB I had the exact same thought, that this was someone who, when confronted about crossing a line, reacts by claiming it was "all a joke" (i.e. the rallying cry of many a bully and troll).
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Oversized Garden Ornament
I can accept that "Life is a Single-Attempt Game" (which is basically what the "example" said) was intended as a joke. And the joke itself was not socially inappropriate or offensive.
What is inappropriate is making that joke by, in effect, vandalizing the wiki.
Edited by GnomeTitan on Jan 17th 2022 at 11:38:00 AM
Redmess
Agreed, especially when you insist on repeating the same joke, which seems to be the case here.
Optimism is a duty.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
But the problem isn't the joke... it's the edit war. I wouldn't have found it socially unacceptable or the work of someone crying victim, even if it is a bit corny. Edit warring was what got them banned, not the joke itself.
Or I could get ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
'd by Red and Gnome, that's fine too.
A procrastination in of itself
Personally I think the funniest joke in all this is the idea that Fighteer only passive-aggressively swipes at people he wants to ban, rather than everyone within reach. 
The Draftsman of Doom
That said, the user in question is seemingly getting pissy about not being able to push this joke through (and it is a joke since they complained about other users not having a sense of humor), so I don't think "That's not funny, it's dumb" is too over the line here.
I do feel like there is a time and a place for bluntness and straightforwardness, and a time for level-headed but thorough explanations.
When I was suspended for a rogue launch in '19, I feel like Fighteer elaborated on the reasoning behind my suspension in such a way that I understood why not to make that mistake since.
I notice that a lot of people who receive thorough explanations for what mistakes they need to correct tend to at least not make those particular mistakes again.
I realize that in my case, I at least suspected the reason why I was suspended after reading the rules during my suspension, but even so, I believe that Poor Communication Kills.
Feels good, don't it?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
That example wouldn't be out of place on RealLife.Tropes N To S, considering the pages in the RealLife/ namespace are joke pages that talk about real life like it's a game.
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Showtime!
I think it's worth noting that the user started their "appeal" with "
"So, I take is having a sense of humor is off limits on this site now? That's the impression I get."
When they start off like that, I can't blame Fighteer for saying "It wasn't funny"
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
I must agree. An appeal like that is a case of deliberately missing the point.
Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Jan 17th 2022 at 8:03:41 AM
I think we've reached the quota on commenting on that specific EB conversation, guys.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Removed because I was ninja'd by a different mod.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 17th 2022 at 10:25:18 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Perhaps we can say that it’s not having an agenda that’s bad in itself; it’s trying to push that agenda through without regard for ROCEJ, rules or consensus.
Edited by GnomeTitan on Jan 16th 2022 at 7:37:31 PM