The cutting of LGBTQ+ tropes like Bi The Way and Badass Gay for not being tropeworthy have resulted in a lot of concerns that we have fewer positive LGBTQ+ tropes, which makes it harder to find appropriate ways to note LGBTQ+ characters in media if they don't fit another LGBTQ+ trope without throwing it into the description.
There's been discussion about whether we could implement some super trope for cases where being LGBTQ+ is relevant to the story, but the scope of this is difficult to figure out. Can we implement new LGBTQ+ tropes that reflect the significance of LGBTQ+ characters and aren't People Sit on Chairs?
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 17th 2024 at 12:14:40 PM
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My understanding of the genre is that it was specifically about lesbian romance as Forbidden Love. Broadening it to other sexualities muddies the waters about the history of the genre. Lesbian and gay culture evolved quite differently in the early days.
I am far from an expert but have watched a documentary on the subject.
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Do you remember the name of it? I'd love to learn more!
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~Mewaddlee, please don't just randomly comment on nuked TLP drafts, especially not one that the moderators said not to bump.
Anyway, I explained on the discussion page for Badass Gay why it's not a trope anymore.
I'm sorry about that. This won't happen again.
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@Immi Thrax I believe it was Forbidden Love
Edited by naturalironist on Sep 28th 2020 at 6:16:37 AM
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Token Gay Option was discarded for being bad, but I wonder if there's merit to the idea, like Gay Option meets Hide Your Lesbians. Salvage Yard?
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I think part of why it was discarded is because the concept may already be covered by Gay Option, as explained here. Maybe a broader concept could be yarded, though, where the gay relationships are generally treated as less significant than the straight ones? Just not sure how I would define "significantly" in a way that would capture the concept best (personal connection? narrative relevance?). If we keep it video game specific, there may be a trope possibility in "there's a gay option that's very much hidden or has less possibility compared to the straight ones."
Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 28th 2020 at 8:09:16 AM
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From what I read of it, it sounds too much like The Same, but More.
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I imagine most romantic options for a character tends to top out at 3-4 anyway, so calling any Gay Option the token option feels like reaching.
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I could see an argument for Weddings for Everyone where the homosexual couples are excluded from the "for everyone".
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
But Not Too Gay covers it
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No, I think they'd be sister tropes. You could have a Weddings for Everyone where the straight couples kiss and homosexual couples hug, in contrast to a show where the homosexual couple acts as bridesmaid/groomsman to multiple straight couples marrying and all of the couples kiss. The biggest problem with my proposal is that I'm coming up with a convention before finding examples in a work. The two ideas are close enough that we probably have many more examples of the current trope than the potential trope. It isn't a trope unless creators are already doing it.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Angry babby
Also, the original concept for the draft isn't inherently But Not Too Gay. A gay route could be very fleshed out and obvious about the attraction, but it just may take a lot more work to find it than the straight routes.
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Yep! My go-to example is the Frank route from House Party which is much less involved and treated like an experiment.
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Or it's obvious about the attraction but shorter than the straight routes.
I wasn't thinking that draft was a dupe of Gay Option so much as "Gay Option, but bad" when I discarded it. That, and the draft was doomed anyway — double-digit bombs to no hats, discussion stalled, nothing productive was happening.
I think the idea could work if there were some guidelines or criteria to weed out complainy bullshit. "Less fleshed out" could mean anything including "didn't cater to my personal hangups."
Kay, I'm yarding it.
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Would it be best to delete the TLP link so that no one knew it existed? Even after it was nuked?
Is there a way to lock TL Ps that get Nuked so that no one can comment on them again?
Uh... are yall posting in the right thread? What TLP are you talking about?
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They're talking about Gay, which has been getting bumped by new posters.
Sadly, there isn't. Maybe the admins need to do some emergency coding.
Mods can lock a discarded thread, iirc.
I found some ebooks of classic (in)famous lesbian pulp novels to go on my reading lists, so maybe I'll do a gay/lesbian pulp draft. Researching ye olde gaye historie suggested there was gay pulp and lesbian pulp aplenty, but that bi and trans pulp wasn't a thing, a defined genre like those. Like, they might have a woman sleep with a woman and then repent and marry a dude, but that's... y'know. So I don't know if such a proposal would be best called Gay And Lesbian Pulp or something else. And not sure how many existing works pages we have besides The Beebo Brinker Chronicles.
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