The Loud House Cleanup

Yup, to me that explanation sounds too much like an excessive Bluenose Bowdleriser who goes "ew violence bad let's replace any mention of it with funnier words so it sounds less violent even though I'm literally talking about a cartoony Big Ball of Violence"

I too fail to see how saying that the Loud siblings were spanking each other over money is an accurate description of the episode. It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but I'm pretty sure that it was all comedic Big Ball of Violence type fights.

(Also, wouldn't the siblings spanking each other be worse? I mean, siblings fight all the time (not necessarily to the extent shown in the episode, but that's supposed to be an exaggeration) over money and less, both in fiction and in real life. But spanking each other is a whole nother level...)

Edited by fragglelover on Aug 19th 2023 at 3:42:31 AM

Any other thoughts on this example?:

• The idea that Lincoln's sisters gang up on him for being the only boy. While they have ganged up on him several times, it was to do with generic Sibling Rivalry such as wanting the best seat in the car, not because he was a boy.

Nothing to say. It sounds fine, not complaining and truthful.

The question is whether or not it’s a widespread enough misconception to count.

Edited by costanton11 on Aug 22nd 2023 at 2:15:50 PM

I have to question for another misconception I see about the show that I'm thinking if it should be added to the page or not.

The idea some people have that The Loud House is nothing more than a Grossout Show where every episode is basically a 10 minutes-long fart joke, which apparently is now a bad thing because everyone claims that fart jokes are always a fetish thing for some reason. Which is not helped by Nickelodeon themselves pushing that side of the show in the marketing (with infamous things such as the "Gassiest Loud House moments compilation" video on their YouTube channel - which I think has been removed due to complaints since I've only saw the thumbnail on some Twitter post but never in person - or a commercial for The Really Loud House focusing a lot on any time someone farts in the spin-off's early episodes)

Edited by PhantomDusclops92 on Aug 24th 2023 at 8:56:21 PM

Sorta related, I hate it when people act like fart jokes are the writers' "barely disguised fetish" or whatever. Lots of kids love toilet humor.

People have become very jaded by creators such as Dan Schneider, I think.

Anyway, is that widespread enough?

Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard that one, and I think I'm in cartoon fandoms enough I would be familiar with it

I remember that when Stock Parody Jokes was a thing on this wiki one of the entries was something like "The show is nothing but poop and fart jokes and other forms of Toilet Humor"

I've seen that more talked about with The Ren & Stimpy Show, although no one's ever said that the Toilet Humour on Ren and Stimpy was sexual, as far as I know.

I think fans overestimate how many people even talk about The Loud House outside of the cartoon community. This sounds like a complaint people make about any cartoon with toilet humor, not TLH specifically. Total Drama also got a lot of flak recently for having fart jokes.

(I also concur the "fetish" claims are weird and gross, usually the result of people thinking in terms of deviantArt brainworms and actively reading sexual overtones into everything, instead of the fact many kids just think butts are funny and executives try too hard to pander to that for an easy laugh.)

While Savino himself is a creep, it's a problem in itself that people conflate edgy jokes in kids' shows with a creator being a predator, because a predator can also make a totally wholesome and progressive TV show and still exhibit horrible behavior behind-the-scenes. Plus in this case, it's often taking something that isn't even inherently sexual and treating it like it's inherently sexual, which is just a creepy response to something kids just find funny.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 25th 2023 at 11:24:21 AM

I mean, the fact that many kids creators have been revealed as predators recently doesn't help. People don't really trust creators to just make innocent jokes anymore.

(Also Chris Savino has allegations against him so people aren't inclined to trust him)

Never mind; received an answer on the Gushing cleanup thread

Edited by ChillyBeanBAM on Oct 17th 2023 at 12:50:48 PM

I highly doubt their bikinis are for fanservice, since while adults can and do watch it, it's still a kids' show. Of course, Parent Service is a thing, but I don't think there's deliberate fanservice on TLH.

This entry on Obscure Popularity reeks of Complaining About People Not Liking the Show

• The Loud House has a large and active fanbase that produces lots of fanart and fanfiction, and Nickelodeon considers it its second best-performing franchise (behind SpongeBob SquarePants) to the point of having a movie and two spin-offs (one of which is a Live-Action Adaptation). However, it's barely talked about among both mainstream audiences and the Western Animation community as a whole, largely due to a number of controversies surrounding its fans and its creator^note An event that occurred nearly seven years ago, but fans and detractors alike still react as if it had just happened.. Most fans are commonly stereotyped as incest-obsessed^note Due to the popularity of Loudcest and its spinoff fandom Sin Kids, though the fanbase largely rejects Loudcest fans nowadays, pedophiles^note With a big fandom comes a big Rule 34 scene, or merely immature^note A lot of the show's fans lean younger, and don't have the best reputation among adult fans and the animation community at large, despite most fans not belonging to any of these groups. In the rare event that it *is* brought up, it is usually done to mock the show or give unfavorable comparisons to the show's contemporaries. The show's poor treatment by popular cartoon Youtubers and the Western Animation community's preference for serialized Dramedy shows doesn't help matters.

I won't deny that the cartoon community has a huge bias towards serialized dramedy cartoons over slice of life and comedy ones, but they get talked about more in YouTube videos because there is more plot, character development, and theories to go around. AwestruckVox, for example, says that he really loves Big City Greens, but it's not really discussed on his channel because there's not much lore or deep continuity. Though there are several YouTube videos I've seen that talk about the characterization and storylines present in The Simpsons, Hey Arnold, The Proud Family, Gumball, Chowder, Courage, and Phineas and Ferb, all of which are comedy or slice-of-life.

Also, about the fanbase, I will say this: certain members aren't pedophiles just because they draw rule 34; they're pedophiles because they draw rule 34 of characters who are children. Also, the immature part isn't because of the kids in the fandom; it's obvious that kids will be immature. It's because of grown adults who make petitions to not age up the characters or insensitive fill-in memes featuring the Louds crying over 9/11. All of those details aren't really necessary for the paragraph.

Edited by sudrictoon on Nov 2nd 2023 at 2:58:24 PM

With how much the show is Adored by the Network, it’s definitely not obscure, since it would clearly have to have a fan base to keep it around.

Edited by costanton11 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:22:12 AM

It has a huge fanbase on top of being Adored by the Network and that's why it has a hatedom at all. It does get some discussion in the cartoon community as well, just not as much as when it was really popular in the 2010s.

Two new humungous paragraphs were added to CommonKnowledge.Western Animation, by the same person who added the "Lincoln is actually a selfish boy" and "the siblings were spanking each other for the money"

• Many believe that Lincoln is morally superior to his sisters, never descending to their moral and intellectual level. In fact, Lincoln has very similar flaws to his sisters: he often appears selfish and petty, uses dirty methods to escape his responsibilities, pretends to do good to earn dividends, forces his friends to do things his own way ("Overnight Success"), becomes obsessed with the beauty of adults (he and her sisters in "Study Muffin"), believe in luck and bad luck (her sisters in "No Such Luck", he in "Raw Deal"), and waste water for nothing (Leni in "Green House", him in "Two Boys and a Baby"). Not to mention when he teams up with his sisters to carry out an evil plan ("Insta-gran"). And before the sisters kicked him out of the house in "No Such Luck", he tried to kick them out in "Ties That Bind", with the difference being that they did it with the intention of protecting their family, while he just wanted to live happy without his sisters. Even in evil, he managed to overcome them!

• It's a general belief that Lincoln is always punished when he does something wrong (and also when he doesn't), while his sisters are never punished when they do something wrong. Although the cartoon often does not show a punishment, this does not mean that the punishment does not occur after the episode ends (for example, Lori putting Leni's life at risk in "Driving Miss Hazy". The episode does not show how the confrontation went her with her parents, but it is reasonable to imagine that she suffered a severe punishment). The cartoon also occasionally shows the sisters being punished as a result of their bad acts (Lisa gets grounded in kindergarten in "Friend or Faux?"; Lola gets a flu and Lana has a toothache in "Sister Act"). They can also recognize their mistakes and ask for forgiveness (Luan in "No Laughing Matter" and "Head Poet's Anxiety" or Lucy in "Spell It Out" and ´"Fandom Pains"). The sisters also suffer unfairly at Lincoln's hands (Lori in "The Waiting Game", Lynn Jr. in "Hand-Me-Downer", or all of them in "Making The Case", "Green House" and in a certain way in "Ties that Bind"), and this could also be counted as punishment for them mistreating him so much.

Tl;dr complaining about minor things and Lincoln's personality

• First one is just complaining and can be cut. Also, it's factually wrong too — he wasn't "wasting water for nothing" in "Two Boys and a Baby"; he was trying to pacify his crying baby sister, and his plan in "Insta-gran" was hardly "evil".
• Second one could be whittled down to something like "A lot of people think that the Loud sisters are never punished for their misdeeds, but there are some episodes where they are, such as "Sister Act" when both twins lie to get out of going to the doctor (Lola) and the dentist (Lana), but end up getting a cold and a cavity respectively".

Once again these sound like too niche complaints to be Common Knowledge IMO, but maybe there's more drama about TLH beyond niche hatedoms than I'm aware.

In regards to the Obscure Popularity post, while the entry has been there for awhile I did add some stuff to it. It was never meant to be a complaint about the cartoon community or the show's hatedom, I was just adding some context for those not familiar to the show as to why the show tends to get a lot of hate (much of which is from misconceptions) and why people tend to avoid discussing the show and its fanbase.

But yeah, it was probably a good call to remove it.

Edited by DrifloonEmpire on Mar 24th 2024 at 11:41:31 AM