About Everyone Is Gay

Everyone Is Gay contains a lot of examples that all repeat "[x] has a lot of slash fics".

Examples:

• Death Note certainly qualifies as this trope, with what the two only important female characters being disliked immensely. L/Light and Matt/Mello are the main pairings, but ALL the pretty boys on this show have been shipped with each other.
• All Gundam series gets this, even the ones where the male characters are paired with (in Kira Yamato's case, actually have sex with) women. Especially Gundam Wing, in complete defiance of the show's 1-to-1 gender parity and about half those man/woman pairs being Official Couples or extremely close to it. Rarely this also applies to the women, usually by authors too kind-hearted to give them the usual treatment. This isn't helped by the director supposedly saying "I can't write boy-girl romances" (he actually said he couldn't write romance period) in an interview.
• Hunter × Hunter. Many of the boys are pretty, friendships range from overprotective obsessed friend to acts-like-an-old-married-couple, there's a pedophile, very few women, & lots of fanservice pandering in the live musicals.
• JoJo's Bizarre Adventure gets a ton of this. Even without the at-times hilariously unsubtle Ho Yay (or Les Yay in the case of part 6), the huge imbalance in the number of male vs. female characters and the lack of romance in general makes it inevitable.
• K-On!, as there just aren't many other options, along with Tsumugi being a Yuri Fangirl.

Aren't these general examples? Shouldn't they be deleted? But then, only the fan work folder will remain.

I guess they're technically general as they're about a fandom as a whole and not specific fics; if specific fics could be found, they can be replaced with those.

The last one, however, is a ZCE.

Shouldn't this be YMMV then? This trope depicts something that happens within fandoms and not the actual work. For that matter, we have Cast Full of Gay, which is apparently the in-universe version of this trope, so, yeah...

Edited by Adept on Apr 14th 2020 at 3:25:15 AM

The generic version ("this fandom has a lot of slash fics") would be YMMV. The specific version ("this fanfic has a Cast Full of Gay") would be objective. It depends on which is the correct definition.

Both have problems. The generic one is essentially unfalsifiable, while the specific one seems like a pointless offshoot of Cast Full of Gay.

Edited by TheMountainKing on Apr 13th 2020 at 3:37:47 PM

4 words: the title is unclear.

Edited by Adept on Apr 13th 2020 at 5:34:00 PM

If this is worth keeping (and I'm not entirely sure it's sufficiently different from LGBT Fanbase), then maybe Fanfics Full Of Gay or something would be a better name.

Agreed that this trope skews more to the YMMV, since we already have Cast Full of Gay. Whether or not it's worth keeping is another question. It's not really redundant with LGBT Fanbase, since fans who slash it up aren't always LGBT.

We also have Adaptational Sexuality, although that seems more 'related' — it would cover some of the examples in the OP (eg. Gundam, where a character who has relations with women is gay in a fic) but not examples like Hunter x Hunter or K-On, where it's a consequence of having a lot of young and cute characters who are mostly of the same sex (and Homoerotic Subtext).

Aren't fanfic-specific tropes still tropes in their own right? I mean, this isn't simply "fans consider most of the cast members to be gay" but rather "in fanfics the entire cast is gay."

IMO, this is objective, though I do agree it has a vague, unhelpful title. It's a medium-specific subtrope of Cast Full of Gay.

RE Adaptational Sexuality: That is a distinct phenomenon, concerning itself with individuals (rather than the whole cast) having a different sexuality from the source material. That could be straight to gay, but it could also be asexual to sexual or gay to bi, which is not either Cast Full of Gay or Everyone Is Gay.

Edited by WaterBlap on Apr 13th 2020 at 1:44:02 PM

Agree that Adaptational Sexuality is broader and individual-focused, but Everyone Is Gay and Cast Full of Gay are not limited, to, well, gay, as long as the majority of characters are non-cishet.

So it's "Adaptational Sexuality (Fanfic) + Cast Full of Gay". Does that justify having Everyone Is Gay?

We also have Het Is Ew, which seems to be functionally interchangeable with Everyone Is Gay.

Het Is Ew is a weird one, because the description talks about it as a real phenomenon in corners of online fandom, but the examples are all of instances where such views are expressed in a work, usually in a speculative fiction setting with different social rules to the real world.

I honestly don't think this trope needs to exist, we can just allow fanfic examples of Cast Full of Gay.

Edited by TheMountainKing on Apr 14th 2020 at 3:13:40 PM

I agree. X-trope, but specifically for fanfic is ridiculous, as I've mentioned in another trope.

As for Het Is Ew, the description talks about Shipping, but then the examples list have a IUOE tag. But if I ever see this page elsewhere, it's usually in YMMV pages.

Het Is Ew used to be about shipping before it became IUO. Most wicks still use the old meaning.

We have x-tropes for anime and we have x-tropes for video games. I always thought we kept those based on wicks and inbounds, and I don't see how fanfic is an invalid medium when compared to those. EIG has over 250 wicks and 10k+ inbounds.

Edited by WaterBlap on Apr 15th 2020 at 11:39:48 AM

The video game and anime examples are also bad and shouldn't exist.

FWIW, I cleaned the YMMV wicks for Het Is Ew. This description needs to fixed to be less about fandom circles, though.

The main issue is people using it in examples.

Yeah, so I (correctly) figured the YMMV wicks would all be in reference to out-of-universe ship wars. Not saying it's stopping misuse, but it's something.

I also think EIG is a TRS candidate. What do the wicks for this look like?