Not Tropeworthy: Takahashi Couple

On the page for beligerent sexual tension, two of Rumiko Takahashi's works are mentioned on the top of the page. No examples are given and are instead listed on the page Takahashi Couple.

Said page lists all examples for a total of four works and notes that all works not by Takahashi go on the page for beligerent sexual tension. A prime example of The Same, but More Specific.

I think we should at the very least move the examples on the main page to the anime section of beligerent sexual tension and maybe create an analysis page or useful note on the Takahashi couple if it's deemed noteworthy enough.

Sorry for the wait, ~shadowmanwkp

Opened for discussion. Personally, I can go with a merge.

Merge.

Merge. The page literally admits to being the same but more specific.

Merge.

Merge.

Merge

Merge.

Merge. Perhaps make it a redirect to Belligerent Sexual Tension because of the amount of inbounds.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Feb 23rd 2020 at 6:02:47 AM

I'm for merging.

Merge.

Anime Fan Speak has many pages that are largely duplicates of other tropes but discuss how the term is used specifically in fan communities (i.e. Dojikko). I don't see how this is different, or why it is more in need of merging.

Er, because a lot of us don't think "Trope, but in Anime" qualifies as a different thing? Keep the name as a redirect and put it on that index, but don't have redundant tropes.

But it does have actual use outside the wiki as a fanspeak term and is already definition only. Its rarely used on trope lists and if it is we can easily just clean or shift the wicks to BST. Its not exactly hurting anything the way it is right now and not really different than the other fanspeak pages. Although I wouldnt care either way if it was merged

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 23rd 2020 at 10:04:49 AM

ugh double post

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 23rd 2020 at 10:06:01 AM

If it's Fanspeak, it shouldn't have examples at all then, as most Fanspeak pages don't AFAIK. After all, Fan Speak itself is on the "not a trope" index...

It may be worth it to merge the Takahashi Couple description into that of BST.

Agreed. As fanspeak terms do not carry examples, either this should not have examples or should be made into a redirect. Agreed. A trope but in anime shouldn't qualify as a unique trope, because anime is only a mode of media. Saying that a trope but applied to an anime is a different trope would be like saying that for example, a Big Bad used in say, live action television, is called something different and is unique and distinct.

Edited by Florien on Feb 23rd 2020 at 7:13:58 AM

I'm with naturalironist. Takahashi Couple is already definition-only, so leave it alone.

And the wicks?

If it is being as a trope on work pages we can just move it to Belligerent Sexual Tension.If it is just used as fanspeak, it can probably be left alone

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 23rd 2020 at 10:51:20 AM

I'm fine with having it as a Definition Only Page, but I think the description would need to be changed, since the end of the description reads like it's classified as a subtrope of Belligerent Sexual Tension, since it only says to list examples from other creators under Belligerent Sexual Tension.

It would work as a fanspeak page, but use of it as a subtrope results in a very blatant case of The Same, but More Specific. Thus, I think we should modify the description (which doesn't look hard, since it's mainly the last paragraph that would need to be removed) and move wicks to Belligerent Sexual Tension.

Edit: This is the part of the description I'm referring to:

At the very least, I think the part in parentheses should be deleted.

Maybe it could be changed to this:

Edit: As I said in my next post, work page wicks already appear to be using it as a definition-only page, but I'm still in favor of tweaking the definition to bring it more in line with other definition-only pages' descriptions, since that paragraph appears to be why this thread was made, and why so many people were in favor of a merge.

Update: As I discovered before posting my first post on the following page, this doesn't appear to be a real fanspeak term, but rather something invented by TV Tropes.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 24th 2020 at 3:14:21 AM

The page has only 27 wicks, and only 3 on works pages. I think people are already treating it like the Definition Only Page that it is.

My main point is that I think the description should be changed. This thread wouldn't take long to get out of the backlog regardless of the outcome, which is why I was surprised that pages with high wick counts had their threads opened before this one.

I looked at the work page wicks and they do seem to be inline fanspeak wicks. I still don't see what would be wrong with adjusting the last paragraph's wording, since other definition-only pages use the wording I used for the first two sentences I suggested (or wording similar to it).

That paragraph (at least the part in parentheses) appears to be why this thread exists, as well as why there are so many merge votes (I counted at least 11, including the opening post). Even if we don't need to touch the wicks, multiple posts in this thread show that people aren't always aware that it's a definition-only page. That said, maybe that change would be better suited to the Trope Description Improvement Drive thread instead of TRS.

Update: As I discovered before posting my first post on the following page, this doesn't appear to be a real fanspeak term, but rather something invented by TV Tropes.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 24th 2020 at 3:17:04 AM

Does Takahashi Couple actually have a widespread use outside this wiki? The other definition-only Fan Speak pages like Dojikko and Kuudere are pre-existing Anime archetypes, so I don't mind having it around as a bonus trivia / documentation page of a media-specific Stock Characters glossary.

This page, on the other hand, seems to be created by this wiki, and is completely redundant to the broader trope.