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Yeah, we need to figure that out.

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Re: Redirects are Free. Could you be a bit more specific? What update does it need?

For every low there is a high.

Only work and subpage redirects are free nowadays. Main redirects cannot be freely created by normal users anymore- doing so requires requesting a mod to create one.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jul 27th 2020 at 10:46:45 AM

back lol

Administrivia.Redirects Are Free is currently a redirect to Administrivia.Needs A Redirect, though. Also, the "free" does imply that we don't demand special conditions for their creation, which still holds true even if a moderator has to write them.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Actually, Nombretomado declines redirect ideas all the time- if she doesn't think they'd increase searchability, she doesn't create them.

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After reading this ATT query, wouldn't the principle behind the "Don't Write Reviews" part of How to Write an Example apply to reviews that come from people other than tropers? The page doesn't say anything either way on it, and the conversation was about examples for objective tropes and not stuff like So Bad, It's Horrible or Unfortunate Implications.

Edit: Neglected to mention that this query brought up the question of whether joke reviews are allowed. I don't know if this is already covered anywhere; our page for TV Tropes Reviews mainly says that complainy reviews aren't allowed, and it's in the Just for Fun namespace instead of the Administrivia namespace if that matters.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 29th 2020 at 11:58:51 AM

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RE: ~wingedcatgirl

I consider myself to be a subject matter expert on that (for now, at least) because I spent about a month researching Cross Wicking quirks to update Example Sectionectomy. With that said... I have no clue about the interaction between Flame Bait and Just for Fun. Unless there is a strong consensus (normal 2:1 ratio), I'm gonna default to saying that JFF pages can wick to anywhere (except for unpublished works).

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Are there hard links to Main.Example Indentation, or can it be dewicked and cutlisted? Administrivia.Example Indentation already exists as a redirect to Administrivia.Example Indentation In Trope Lists (and there is no Main/ version of the Administrivia.How To Use Bullet Points redirect), so inbounds and search results would still have a place to go.

Edit: I dewicked Main.Example Indentation, but didn't cutlist it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 29th 2020 at 1:41:39 PM

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Jokes have always been allowed unless they cause legitimate problems/complaints. At least that's what I operate under.

I am pretty sure that trope examples are never supposed to read like reviews, no matter by who.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Get Known mentions several technical issues with non-alphanumeric characters in usernames, but not the issues with underscores. There could be a bullet something like

• If your handle contains an underscore, it will be impossible to link to your Tropers page by normal methods. Among other things, this means forum users won't be able to "ping" you in posts of interest. If your preferred handle contains multiple words, it is recommended that you use CamelCase, not underscores, to separate them.

Though, the mods have been looking into blocking these handles from being created, did that ever go through? If so, this could be rephrased as a historical artifact, or left out entirely.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jul 31st 2020 at 11:52:45 AM

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Since we have an approval queue for new registrations, we've been able to cut down on some instances of these.

Already in there.

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Hedge Trimmer seems to be administrivia in the main namespace.

Would it be fine to move the Sandbox.FAQ to the Main/ page? Does anyone have any comments on its current state? Nobody else has edited the page since my last one in early June. I'll gladly move it over myself, but I'd feel more comfortable doing so with other people's input. (Of course, the Sandbox/ would then be brought to the cut list.)

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty

I'd rather have it in Administrivia/, but either way, we should get it out of the Sandbox. I mean...we could probably move it to the already-existing Main/ page and move that to Administrativia if needed, but...

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 2nd 2020 at 10:18:48 AM

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I misremembered where I originally found the link to FAQ and thought that it was in the sidebar (which would make moving it to Administrivia/ a bit more difficult iirc). So given that moving the FAQ to Adminsitrivia/ would require only changing, like, two wicks, I also would prefer it to go in that namespace rather than Main/.

IDK it feels like it's been three years since I posted anything (seriously) so I forgot wth the plan was tbh.

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I think Administrivia would be a better fit. Having a redirect in Main/ would prevent the hard links from breaking.

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I was musing whether FAQ would be a good place to put a trope in, but the current content is squarely in Administrivia territory. Regarding the sandbox, I dunno ... in my experience many of the questions asked there are seldom asked by actual people whereas commonly asked questions such "what is this trope" and "how do I delete an account" aren't mentioned. That's a common pitfall when writing FAQ sections.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

True, but at least it'll hopefully be a little more useful than the current page, and we can always add questions like that as well.

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The TRS thread for Olive Garden made me wonder if the amount of wicks it takes to be thriving is more complex than the Wick page says. The wick page mainly takes a page's age into account when determining what amount counts as not thriving, but that thread raises the question of whether different categories of trope should be held to different standards.

In this case, the thread is for a National Stereotypes trope that's healthy according to Administrivia.Wick, but the wick count was determined to be too low by the standards of that kind of trope.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2020 at 4:23:43 AM

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~Piterpicher, your thoughts on ?

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I'll think more about this tomorrow as I'm going to sleep in a bit. For now, I'd say this seems like an interesting issue. I don't think that all tropes in a category like National Stereotypes will thrive equally, I mean, you don't see stereotypical Polish people/culture as often as stereotypes for Russia and China (yes, I know that thread's about Italian stereotypes, they seem to be in the common category, though).

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 3rd 2020 at 11:39:46 AM

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RE Septimus: Part of using this thread for coordinating the new FAQ is for people to mention questions not mentioned. Also, the majority of questions are ones that I've seen, through ATT, the edit banned thread, and just around the site in general. Some pages with this information are on the site (either the wiki or the forums) because of how often the questions they answer get asked, and then those pages catch people before they ask in ATT. For example, the "how do I delete an account" question doesn't seem to be on ATT, or at least not on the public side. I'm not going to see every question or how frequently a given question is asked, so if you (as a mod) can think of questions that should be included, please say something.

RE: "What is this trope" question: It is mentioned, but I can see why it might be missed so I'll revise it.

RE: "How do I delete an account?" question: I see your point.

I'll add the following:

• "Can I make a new account?" / "Can I change my username?"
  • If you have been banned for any reason and are currently still banned, then no, you cannot create a new account. This is known as "ban evasion" and it will bump your ban up to a permanent ban.
  • Generally speaking, we do not encourage the creation of multiple accounts, because it makes it more difficult to track your activity. However, there is no rule against having multiple accounts.
  • Be aware, however, that sockpuppeting is against the rules, so don't vote multiple times on a single crowner or argue in a single thread with multiple accounts.

• Can accounts be deleted?
  • Accounts cannot be deleted. You'll have to create a new account. If you would like to continue to use your same e-mail, however, you'll need to change the e-mail attached to the old account first.
• Can edit histories be purged or deleted?
  • No. Moreover, we do not Un-person users by request.
• Can forum post histories be purged, deleted, or hidden?
  • No. Moreover, we do not Un-person users by request.

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Another note to add to the sockpuppeting point is to not use socks to hat/bomb things on the TLP.

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There used to be purges for both page histories and banned accounts (and maybe inactive accounts in general; not sure). I think the former stopped in 2012, and while I don't know when the latter was discontinued, there have been cases of people unintentionally getting banned upon registration because they accidentally reused the username of a deleted banned account.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2020 at 6:07:14 AM

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