Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
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Cut for speculation.
How can there be "more than a number" of anything?
Friends forevermore
That's just bad wording, not indicative of the example as a whole.
YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 4 E 14 Filli Vanilli
- Overshadowed by Controversy:
- It's not easy discuss this episode, which won Andrea Libman an award for best voice acting, without bringing up the debate over Pinkie Pie's Characterization.
- Similarly, it’s almost hard not to talk about the episode without discussing the harassment writer Amy Keating Rogers got from some fans, and we’ll leave it at that.
These were made way before a wait period for Overshadowed by Controversy was enstated. In hindsight, would fans have forgotten all about these after 6 months?
Edit: Okay, I noticed that Ferot_Dreadnaught added the first part back in 2015, with Diamond In The Robot adding the second part in 2019. Still, during the six month period after the release of the episode, were those things all that were being brought up about the episode? Also, I thought Overshadowed by Controversy had to be a controversy outside the work, not in it.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 29th 2019 at 3:36:35 PM
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No-lifer
Can we get more consensus on a waiting period for LaResistance.Real Life, please?
Limpin' with the bizkit.
RE : LaResistance.Real Life, my personal preference would be at least 10 years from the end of the conflict in question. Longer might be better.
"End of the conflict" is a little iffy; we have stuff like the War on Terror and the Arab–Israeli Conflict that have been going on for decades. (In the latter case, it can be argued that it's been a century!)
Should we have a wait period for Vindicated by History? I feel like nowadays its being used to push Take Thats on sequels people don't like. I think there should be some consensus on whenever people truly see things different now rather than just being compared to another work like with Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon and Pokémon Sword and Shield.
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Doesn't look like most of the misuse is recent works, just bashing/gushing about older stuff. Might as well make it six months or so anyway.
I thought VBH would be much longer since it might take a long time to accomplish.
We're only adding tropes if they get misused for recent works/events and this, for the most part, hasn't.
I believe LaResistance.Real Life should have a 20-year waiting period, which would be about a generation after the conflict. Though there shouldn't be an "after the conflict ends" requirement because exactly when a historical conflict ends can be iffy.
The Draftsman of Doom
Additionally, I think that we need to avoid listing terrorist organizations of any kind on that subpage.
I do agree that 20 is a good starting point.
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Let me be especially blunt; any organization which specifically targets civilians should not be listed as La Résistance, because that is clear cut flamebait. In fact, the trope you just namedropped is itself NRLEP.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 2nd 2020 at 11:15:04 AM
That might be tricky. Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters after all.
There's also a slight case of Written by the Winners involved. If you win, you're La Résistance; if you lose, you're terrorists.
No-lifer
On the Real Life section maintenance thread, La Résistance passed the vote ratio required to make it NRLEP. It's been almost two months since it was added, so do you just want to make it that way?
Limpin' with the bizkit.
I suggested 20 years after the conflict starts.
The Draftsman of Doom
If examples must stay, I stand by my strong recommendation that organizations which specifically target civilians not be listed at all.
I meant if real life examples of La Résistance must stay. However, you just told me they won't, so it doesn't matter.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 3rd 2020 at 6:56:15 AM
By definition, NRLEP tropes cannot have recent Real Life examples, and fictional examples are obviously a non-issue for this trope.
Oppressive States of America has a "no post '60's Real Life examples" rule. I think that, plus maybe a "no Israel/Palestine examples" rule, might do the trick, allowing us to keep the Real Life trope namer.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
The Draftsman of Doom
I would think that the trope has nothing to do with that conflict, specifically in real life.
I went ahead and added Oppressive States of America to No Recent Examples, Please! since it has a time restriction for real-life examples:
- Oppressive States of America (No Real Life Examples past the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s): Due to Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement concerns.
Edited by ADrago on Feb 2nd 2020 at 2:28:52 PM
If there is no conceivable valid example, there doesn't need to be a rule banning it.
This one's a hard limit rather than one based on a specific number of years. I wouldn't be averse to clarifying it to specifically 1970 or making it 50 years.
Edited by RallyBot2 on Feb 2nd 2020 at 2:40:49 PM
A late unexpected rally in the NRLEP thread means La Résistance will keep RL examples. So it's back to this thread for it.
The Draftsman of Doom
I stand by my strong recommendation that organizations which specifically target civilians not be listed at all as La Résistance.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 3rd 2020 at 6:56:59 AM
