"No Recent Examples Please" cleanup

@Albert3105 A work the publishers admit fell short of sales exceptions to the point if effected future plans.

This was recently cut ender NeverLiveItDown.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:

• Discord will probably never live down disguising himself as Grogar in an attempt to bolster Twilight’s confidence, thereby causing everything bad throughout Season 9.

This is over a month since the incident in question. How long do non-RL examples need before judging? (This is the series finale so it's not like he has another opportunity to live it down.)

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 22nd 2019 at 12:26:12 PM

Sequelitis was brought up on ATT. Anyone disagree with giving it three months or so?

I believe all reception based Audience Reactions such as Sequelitis, So Okay, It's Average, Critical Dissonance, Contested Sequel, etc. should have at least a one-month waiting period as it usually takes at least that long to determine what the work's general reception is. Three months for sequelitis sounds good to avoid knee-jerk reactions. I also believe Contested Sequel should have a six-month waiting period due to being closely related to Broken Base which has a six-month waiting period.

Edited by ADrago on Dec 7th 2019 at 12:06:14 PM

Cats:

• Box Office Bomb: Well on its way to this as the 2019 film had a pitiful $6.5 million opening against its $95 million budget.

I believe a a work should complete it's box office run before calling. The Emoji Movie was listed as such immediately, but made back it's budget anyway. How long a waiting period would suffice?

Maybe a month.

for one-month minimum for Box Office Bomb. It's really hard to judge a bomb from solely an opening-to-budget ratio or critical reception.

Edited by Albert3105 on Dec 23rd 2019 at 9:34:08 AM

I say wait until either of the following happens:

• What The Other Wiki would call a reliable source calls it a box-office bomb.
• The film completes its theatrical run.

Should I add this to No Recent Examples, Please!?

• Box Office Bomb (it completes its theatric run or is declared such by a reliable source): Knee-jerk for works that can still potentially make back their budget by the end of its run.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 23rd 2019 at 7:07:00 AM

I'm certainly not opposed to it, but as always, wait a couple days to see if anyone chimes in.

I doubt it would make a difference, but we don't want to be pushing things through after only a couple hours' discussion.

I'm fuzzy on what would be considered a "reliable source" in this case.

As I said, whatever The Other Wiki deems reliable, as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources

In practice, yuo can see how they source things here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs

I am not seeing any sources on that page that declared a film a bomb within a month of release. It seems to me that the "reliable source" requirement is redundant at best, an invitation for quibbling at worst.

I'm in favor of leaving it out and making the month waiting period a hard requirement.

Edited by HighCrate on Dec 24th 2019 at 6:29:15 AM

This is under Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story:

• Never Live It Down: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey will always live in infamy as the game that put AlphaDream six feet under after being a colossal flop, with sales comparable to those of a Virtual Boy game.

The flop was earlier this year, yes, but AlphaDream closing down just happened in October. I'm unclear on the waiting period for Never Live It Down, and I'm also unclear if this counts as a "Real Life" example, since it has nothing to do with anything in-game.

Yes, that's a real life example. Pull it.

The waiting period is 25 years for real life, and we don't seem to have one for examples in media but I feel like we probably should.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Dec 25th 2019 at 5:47:31 AM

NLID is not a trope that inherently takes time out-of-universe to happen. The 25 year rule is just for Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment purposes, in that anything particularly recent may invite a Flame War. The only exception is NeverLiveItDown.Sports due to multiple iffy examples being added the moment they happened; that now has a ten month waiting period.

Really? I wouldn't think we could immediately know that something will be remembered forever.

Here's a thought: if you write an example of Never Live It Down and it is both out-of-universe AND written with future-tense, the example is wrong.

Future tense strikes me as a red flag for Speculative Troping, at least in this case.

Should a sister trope to Box Office Bomb be made for video games that sell paltry amounts of copies?

The thing is that video game sales are generally reported exclusively by copy amounts than the budget vs. box office revenue statistics underpinning Box Office Bomb.

Edited by Albert3105 on Dec 25th 2019 at 10:35:08 AM

From YMMV.Sponge Bob Square Pants:

• Never Live It Down:
  • For the show itself, the toenail scene from "House Fancy". Whenever people are complaining about the show's declining quality, that scene is almost always brought up as the straw that broke the camel's back. Another candidate would be Plankton's attempted suicide in "One Coarse Meal". He lays down on the road to get run over, but the way fans talk about it, you'd think he slips a noose around his neck or slits his wrists.
  • In another meta example, post-movie writers Casey Alexander and Zeus Cervas still have yet to fully live down the reputation of the poorly-received episodes they wrote, even after moving on and proving themselves as capable writers on Uncle Grandpa (for Casey), Star vs. the Forces of Evil (for Zeus), and Harvey Beaks (also for Zeus).
  • While the show's been getting better from season 9 onwards, seasons 6 through 8 will most likely remain infamous for years to come, to the point that some fans will base the post-movie quality of the show only on those seasons without giving any episodes past them a chance.

Not too sure about the first and third being Real Life examples, but I know the second violates the 25 year rule.

Remove examples 2 and 3 for speculative writing.

Per the Real Life section maintenance thread, we are voting to keep LaResistance.Real Life, albeit with a periodical limit. What time limit does anyone have in mind?

I said somewhere around 15-20 years in the last thread and I'll stick with that.

YMMV.Digimon Adventure Last Evolution Kizuna

• Like You Would Really Do It: More than a number of peoples reactions to the reveal of the plot have been met with this trope, given the franchise's history when it comes to separating the main characters from their Digimon at the end of the series either being undone shortly after or heavily implied that they'll meet again. Combined with Adventure nostalgia being Digimon's current golden goose, not a lot of people believe the movie will actually go through with separating the cast from their Digimon.

I believe this trope requires waiting until the works is out in case it surprises us by going though with it. Cut?

I think the latest trailer mentioned overuse of the Digimon would cause them to be separated from there partners even though the distant final shows them together.