Useful Notes Cleanup

Okay, so should I suggest it in Trope Launch Pad?

The Borgias — is this okay?

It needs a picture — I feel like this one◊ might be the only one that shows more than one person but isn't from a specific modern work. It's. Uh.

The content also needs to be evened out between the two pages but I'll do that tomorrow, need to go to sleep now.

Edited by lavendermintrose on Apr 14th 2023 at 3:24:50 AM

The Borgias is off to a good start. The one thing I'd axe is the sentence about modern people shipping Cesare/Lucretzia - talking about Real Person Shipping is a little bit too YMMV for Useful Notes.

UsefulNotes.New Age has a decent, if bare-bones, opening description, but the tropes list seems like ROCEJ problems and New Ager-bashing, breaking the NRLEP rules on tropes like Crack is Cheaper and Conspiracy Theorist. Is a tropes list on a page like this even necessary?

I don't think it is.

Trope lists on Useful Notes are only allowed if they relate to their portrayals in fiction.

Related to some of the above, Spiritism is basically a work page. A very short description and then a trope list.

Edited by JDMA12 on May 20th 2023 at 2:02:28 PM

The sad thing is, the subject matter is definitely worth covering, given its popularity in fiction and its contrasts in portrayal from the real-life practices. But it definitely needs a rewrite.

From Useful Notes.Homosexual

• The stereotype of the straight male is that he is a manly man... but it's possible to be an exclusively straight male but also swing over to the feminine side of the spectrum; stand-up comedian Eddie Izzard, who has declared himself this sort of person, likes to call himself a "male lesbian". For the ladies, you have characters like Shannon Beiste from Glee, a rough and burly female football coach who has no sexual interest in other women. People such as this need not be Transgender, it's just their personality. (In Notes format:) Izzard and the Beiste character both later came out as transgender, although the point stands.

I understand that this was probably added before they came out, but it's a bit weird to attest the point by using two people who are not examples of it, isn't it? Can anyone think of other people to fit this criteria for use here?

I dont get what you want from us could you explain a bit more?

basically, the example is outdated because it's referring to "gender non-conforming cishet people" who later came out as trans. honestly i would cut the examples part altogether, i don't really think it's necessary?

Edited by NoUsername on May 24th 2023 at 8:49:49 AM

Michael Jordan has a lot of troping of his life and building a narrative out of his basketball career. That's not okay, right?

You're absolutely right. That isn't okay. Any tropes listed on the page should strictly be related to the portrayal of Michael Jordan in media.

John DeLorean is an unindexed stub. Wikipedia lists his appearances in media, but our page only mentions Back to the Future, which prominently features the car he made but not the man himself. Is there enough to expand the page, or should it be cut?

It was a trope, but TRS decided that a symbol without a specific meaning is People Sit on Chairs.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jun 4th 2023 at 5:50:29 AM

Perhaps this was asked before and I wasn't around, but why is Non-Nazi Swastika in the UN namespace? Its description is more styled around a trope and it has a list of examples in fiction. I think this would work better as a trope page (thus in the Main namespace), but am I missing something?

I can see that UsefulNotes.United Kingdom is still constantly having its status as Northern Europe or Western Europe fought over and constantly changed by people. Can I suggest a solution to try and stop this once and for all?

Currently, the paragraph concerned states this:

Now, the UK is geographically "Northern Europe" (technically, "north-western Europe"). A lot of significant international bodies therefore designates the UK as "Northern Europe". However, in the immediate aftermath of WW2, the UK began to drive the creation a Western Europe union of states. This was backed by the US. But, in a case of the UK being the UK, this changed when France and Italy became enthusiastic about shaping such a unity (which was also backed by the US). The UK picked up its ball and went home. The problem was the British concept of "union" (cooperation between countries, which it supported) and "unity" (a federated unification of countries, which it opposed).

This, all that led up to it and all that came after, means that the UK is regarded — politically — as Western European and anyone accessing the EU's data repositories online will notice that's how the UK is classified. Outside Europe, it's usually recognised by international bodies as "Northern". For example, the UN and anything that bases itself on UN designations. Culturally and geographically, the UK has always been a mixture of both north and west.

Instead of trying to debate whether the EU or UN designations should be followed for describing the UK as either "Western" or "Northern", why don't we just acknowledge both in a sentence or two? For example:

What do people think?

Edited by Wyldchyld on May 27th 2023 at 5:05:39 PM

Makes sense to me.

Okay, change made.

The Useful Notes/Autism page capitalizes autism when it should not. Autism is a common noun, not a proper noun. However, the page is under administrative lock and I cannot edit it on my own. There are also grammatical errors, specifically "Ninty-five percent of autistic" (should be autistics or autistic people)

Feel free to fix those yourself (AFAIK they don't require prior approval).

It's a locked page. ~larkwantstogohome send your revisions to the locked page thread and the mods can make those edits.

My bad. Since they hadn't linked properly to the page I hadn't realized it was locked.

Ah, thank you! I'm still getting used to this website :P

Someone linked Index in a Half Shell for the trope list for turtles in UsefulNotes.Animals. Is that alright?

Is UsefulNotes.University Of Michigan necessary? It just reads like a Wikipedia page. No real mention of portrayals in media, unlike, say, how UsefulNotes.Ivy League's page has a section for media features and a trope name-dropping it. (Unsure if the section on "famous Ivy grads" is needed, though, since you can honestly just get that from Wikipedia.)

Edit: To add to this, then, the rest of the "Education" folder on the UN/ index is British Unis, Oxbridge, GCSEs, Law School Admission Test, SATs, School Systems (its own index), Senior Exam Results Comparison Page, and Tokyo University. Are any necessary?

Edited by Yindee on Jul 4th 2023 at 6:38:36 AM

^ I don't think either page is needed. UN pages are supposed to be resources for writers and media.

Stock Japanese Phrases has the following two examples:

• Bring it on! (かかってこいよ!, kakatte koi yo!)
• Come at me! (かかってこい!, kakatte koi!)

They seem a bit redundant. Should they both be kept? If not, which one should be deleted?