Not Tropeworthy: Acceptable Lifestyle Targets

Coming from someone who sees this specific trope as The Same, but More Specific anyway, is there any word on its status?

Fighteer, GastonRabbit, Toko WH, Quantum Melody 29, miraculous, Water Blap, Stardust Soldier, Lymantria, and bitemytail all seem to agree with cutting (several of them giving a conditional of "rescue overlap with Unacceptable Targets"). Larkmarn was against the idea.

Larkmarn, Fighteer, and Water Blap liked the idea of moving it to In Universe Examples Only, with the understanding that the definition would be something like "this work/creator bashes this group". GastonRabbit, and Gnome Titan were against the idea.

StarSword proposed a halfway measure.

I was trying to give the opinion that this Acceptable Targets subtrope should be merged with Acceptable Targets and Unacceptable Targets — rather than simply being cut — and I merely reiterated my stance that all of the Acceptable Targets subtropes should be moved to IUEO. For the current issue at hand (i.e. Acceptable Lifestyle Targets), I favor a merge, and the move to IUEO is just to preserve my previous argument "for the record."

I'd actually prefer an IUEO move for Acceptable Targets over leaving it as-is. I said I'd prefer a cut more than that, partially due to how often problems with it are brought up, and partially due to the existence of in-universe Insult Tropes. Fighteer previously cited the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment regarding the proposed IUEO move, and I agree with what he said regarding the ROCEJ.

Taking what Fighteer said about it being a real phenomenon but attracting flame wars into account, maybe a Flame Bait move of Acceptable Targets (along with cutting the sub-categories) would be better than a straight-up cut.

Edit: I should probably clarify that I wasn't saying Fighteer was in favor of the changes I mentioned, only that the problems he listed are why I'm making those suggestions.

Another edit: I should probably say I'm still in favor of cutting Acceptable Lifestyle Targets regardless of what happens to Acceptable Targets itself. Since this thread is clocked, I'll mention that crazysamaritan previously noted that there already seems to be consensus for this specific proposal. Brainulator9 wasn't noted in that post due to the list only covering the first page, but I think the reference to it as The Same, but More Specific was an implicit cut vote.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 25th 2019 at 3:23:23 AM

It was in favor of cutting Acceptable Lifestyle Targets, but I suspected the voting had already ended, so I didn't quite vote.

I am admittedly in favor of making Acceptable Targets IUEO, since cases where the author(s) and characters do this is not grounds for subjectivity.

I think the consensus is safe to call in favor of cutting Acceptable Lifestyle Targets (at least ten votes for and one against if I'm reading crazysamaritan's post and a later post from Brainulator correctly (the former post only counted the first page, and the latter's vote was on the second page)). Discussion regarding Acceptable Targets as a whole (which wasn't the original purpose of this thread) didn't make much progress, so it would probably be better suited to a dedicated thread, if anything.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 17th 2019 at 12:37:41 PM

I'm going to remove all links, internal or external, from Acceptable Lifestyle Targets, in order to avoid ghost wicks later.

It might be easier, though, to just cut remove the examples now.

What do about this paragraph in Straw Loser?

I deleted the top bit.

Also, I decided nevermind on unwicking the page for now, at least until it gets fully dewicked and cutlisted.

Should we move YMMV subpage examples to a bullet for Acceptable Targets? I did this with YMMV.TLC, but I want other opinions.

I think linking to the supertrope is fine (but I won't miss it if it's deleted outright). I've changed the link to Acceptable Targets once or twice already, on pages where removing the "Acceptable Lifestyle Targets" link would leave sentences that made no grammatical sense.

All done. The remaining three YMMV pages on the related page are on the cut list.

Edited by Tabs on Apr 9th 2019 at 11:51:12 AM

I moved those last 3 pages' examples to Acceptable Targets, but I support cut listing them for lacking context.