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Apr 30th 2018 at 6:38:47 PM

See here for Nightmare Fuel, which has frequent enough problems to deserve a thread of its own.

A while ago, I made a thread for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages, since they tend to attract all sorts of gushing about anything vaguely unsettling, as well as violations of Example Indentation and the Spoiler Policy among other problems. Well, other Moments pages have similar issues, though to a slightly lesser extent, so they may as well have a cleanup thread too.

"Moments" reactions should:

  • Be free of spoiler tags, in accordance with the Spoilers Off policy which states that:
    Fridge, Headscratchers, and the various Moments subpages (Tear Jerker, Moment of Awesome, etc.) are for post-viewing discussions. Spoiler tagging there defeats the purpose of the articles. You shouldn't be going there if you are worried about them.
  • Be based on things that actually have happened, not things that could happen, will happen, or might have happened. Speculation belongs only on the Wild Mass Guessing pages.
  • Have affected the writer of the entry themselves. If you don't find something funny or sad, let someone who did add it to Funny Moments or Tear Jerker.
  • Elicit a strong reaction. Not every single time a character accomplishes something is an Awesome Moment, not every attempt at comedy is a Funny Moment, not every time someone does something nice is a Heartwarming Moment, and not every unhappy event is a Tear Jerker.
  • Explain why they're so awesome/funny/sad: Zero Context Examples aren't allowed on this wiki. Your description should allow anyone to understand your reaction.

edited 30th Apr '18 6:39:13 PM by Zuxtron

Apr 30th 2018 at 6:56:01 PM

I'll start with Awesome.My Hero Academia, which currently lists a lot of things, not all of which are necessarily awesome. Since there's so much of it, I'll just start off with the first two seasons of the anime. Do any of these sound like keepers, because they don't to me:

  • While we're at it, Ochako herself also gained 45 "Rescue" Points. Whom did she save? Midoriya, who could have died by falling, and she managed just in time too, despite being trapped just moments earlier and also on the verge of making herself sick with her powers. It's also possible that not all 45 points came from stopping his fall. Some of them may have come from her trying to give her points away so that someone who deserves to pass would be able to.
    This sounds a bit too speculative for my tastes
  • Iida's calming of all the students during an emergency evacuation. Bonus point because this inspires Midoriya to make him class president.
  • Tsuyu actually manages to guess that there's a relationship between All Might and Midoriya's quirk (and is perhaps the first to do so)... although Kirishima shoots the idea down.
  • The Villain Alliance's breaking into Yuuei with frightening ease.
  • Tsuyu saving Midoriya from the shark villain. The frog who stomped the shark.
  • The students preparing to fight back against the more experienced Villain Alliance.
  • Midoriya finally manages to throw a punch without breaking his arm. Unfortunately, the one hit is Noumu, so the punch doesn't hurt him either.
  • Season 2 of the anime starts with a preview of of kind of hero Midoriya will eventually become - single-handedly defending the city from an army of villains, possibly having achieved the ability to use all 100% of One For All, throwing a punch so powerful that it lights up half the Earth.
    The part about using 100% of One For All is speculation, the rest is OK
  • MANY heroes were impressed by Shinshou's quirk, making it clear that they had to go over similar obstacles. So there is hope for him yet.
  • Shoto Todoroki vs. Hanta Sero is pretty quick, but...
    • Despite knowing how outmatched he is, Sero has a pretty cool one-liner:
      Sero: Well, I don't feel like I can win... [instantly wraps up Todoroki with his tape] ...but I don't feel like losing, either!
    • Sero then quickly tries to throw Todoroki out of bounds in a lightning-fast all-or-nothing gambit that demonstrates quick thinking and a good grasp on his best hope of winning... and then Todoroki freezes his bindings and Sero in place, creating a glacier twice as tall and half as long as the stadium.
      Todoroki: Sorry, I went overboard. I was angry.
      For this one, the part where Todoroki creates a gigantic ice wall could be kept, but Sero's defeat probably shouldn't.
  • Midoriya showed his ability to analyze quirks as he quickly noted down one of the contestant's quirks including its limitations and possible weaknesses. Doubles as a funny moment as he unintentionally implied that he could threaten anyone whose abilities he had analyzed, including Uraraka's.
  • Iida vs Todoroki:
    • Iida gets one manages to land a solid kick to Todoroki before rushing to drag him out of the arena.
    • Not to be outdone, Todoroki beats Iida by freezing his engines, showing that Todoroki knows how to use his powers effectively on the small scale and not just relying on the brute force behind them.
  • Deku also shows foresight by quickly sending his location (without context) to his classmates via his phone while holding it behind his back. All his classmates who see it are smart enough to know that something's up, but Todoroki, the one who happened to be in the area, is able to use this information to come in and save both his classmates, and inform the other pros of what was going on.

edited 30th Apr '18 7:26:35 PM by Zuxtron

Apr 30th 2018 at 9:44:34 PM

Please don't start this yet. Moments pages haven't had anywhere near the problems of the Nightmare Fuel pages, so there might not be any need for this.

Now, most of the rules you proposed are fine and/or already in place. The only one I'm worried about is the "strong reaction" one. The Moments were renamed from Crowning Moment specifically because no one cared about it any more. Yes, you can list every single funny moment in an entire series. That is allowed, and has been for years.

I don't follow My Hero Academia, so I have no real opinion there.

edited 30th Apr '18 9:45:03 PM by Discar

May 1st 2018 at 7:48:48 AM

Maybe I should have said "cause a reaction" without specifying that it has to be strong... I put that there mostly because of Tear Jerker, which often falls into the problem of listing every single mildly unpleasant thing that happens even when no one could be expected to actually feel sad from it, presumably in an attempt to make the show seem deeper than it is.

Since the problems fall mostly under gushing and episodic troping, perhaps I could just use the threads that are already there for these issues?

Jan 27th 2019 at 12:19:04 PM

Apologies for resurrecting this thread. Is this still on hold?

The reason I'm asking is because the RWBY work is having extraordinary problems with the NightmareFuel.RWBY page, which requires constant cleaning up. However, the other Moments pages are just as bad. This is partially being driven by a single troper who adds an episode to the Moments pages as soon as the episode is released (for sponsors, so not even released to the general public yet) with the edit reason 'Adding an episode's core'. Examples tend to be solely scene summaries or how characters are reacting in scenes. In other words, the RWBY Moments pages are being used as a type of episode recap page.

I appreciate that other works may not be having the same level of problems as the RWBY one, but if anyone does want to take a look at what I mean, popping along to the TearJerker.RWBY page and taking a look will give an idea — in particular, the Volume 6 entries.

I'm fine with waiting if this still hasn't been set-up yet. I'm just flagging here that this particular work does have massive problems with all its Moments pages, not just Nightmare Fuel.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 27th 2019 at 8:21:14 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it's just not worth reading.
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Jan 27th 2019 at 2:06:06 PM

[up]If it's a single troper who's the main issue of RWBY's moments pages requiring so much cleanup, I would suggest taking it to ATT.

And did you know that world-renowned author Stephen King was once hit by a car? Just something to consider.
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Jan 31st 2019 at 10:10:08 AM

Pokemon's Tear Jerker page contains an "Other" section that features fan stuff. Should those examples be removed?

Jan 31st 2019 at 10:13:07 AM

[up]This thread agreed that such things should be removed.

Jan 31st 2019 at 11:20:55 AM

TearJerker.Rhythm Heaven lists the characters exploding at the end of the See-Saw minigame even though it's clearly played for laughs and Rule of Cool (they explode into smiling faces while playing Air Guitar). The example itself mentions that it's hilarious, and it's also listed on the Funny page. Can I remove it?

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Jan 31st 2019 at 1:41:07 PM

From what I've read, things that are Played for Laughs discount them from Tear Jerker and Nightmare Fuel, so feel free to axe them.

And did you know that world-renowned author Stephen King was once hit by a car? Just something to consider.
Jan 31st 2019 at 6:10:29 PM

[up] Being Played for Laughs doesn't disqualify something from being Nightmare Fuel since it could still end up being Accidental Nightmare Fuel.

(It does make it a lot less likely to be a valid example, however)

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Feb 16th 2019 at 1:39:52 AM

Toy Story 4 isn't out yet but TearJerker.Toy Story 4 is already padded with speculation and actors being sad.

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Mar 2nd 2019 at 5:53:45 PM

I think Funny.Smallfoot should be looked at— the page is very long and some of the "examples" are just... quotes.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 2nd 2019 at 8:54:00 AM

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Mar 2nd 2019 at 5:59:43 PM

I believe all of the subpages for that work were made by a single troper, who had issues understanding the wiki. I would be surprised if there was much salvageable.

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Mar 2nd 2019 at 6:01:53 PM

Yeah, though skimming the Heartwarming and Tearjerker pages I didn't find any moments of blatant misuse, and the only problem with Nightmare Fuel is that it only had one example which was already on YMMV (so I cutlisted it). The Funny page seems to really be the only one that is in desperate need.

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Mar 3rd 2019 at 7:32:17 AM

I always dislike the "just quotes" on Funny pages, because they smack of ZCEs. I've seen it work on occasion, sort of as an It Makes Just As Much Sense In Context joke, but that's not what those are.

Anyway, haven't seen Smallfoot, so I can't say whether any of these examples are actually funny, but thankfully that's not really the problem. The problem is that they're poorly written so it's not clear what's actually supposed to be funny. It's hard to put a finger on how to fix any of them short of deleting them.

Mar 3rd 2019 at 9:19:24 AM

Aren't we supposed to avoid quotes being used as examples, as in, they can supplement an example but they can't be the example?

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it's just not worth reading.
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Mar 4th 2019 at 9:07:56 AM

IIRC, if the entirety of an entry is wholly comprised of a quotation, then that is considered a Zero Context Example.

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Mar 4th 2019 at 11:54:42 AM

Yeah, at the very least we can comment-out the quotation examples.

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May 5th 2019 at 7:17:49 PM

I don't know what happened to TearJerker.Arthur, but it definitely wasn't organized by season and episode the last time I saw the page, with "moments" like " Mr. Ratburn is established as The Dreaded. When the kids find out they're in his class, they go Mass "Oh, Crap!" and scream." It feels like someone was rewatching the series and added moments as they went along regardless of them being sad.

TearJerker.Hop has the exact same issue and additionally is nothing but ZCEs or "this character is sad."

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 5th 2019 at 7:19:25 AM

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Jun 19th 2019 at 4:24:52 PM

Don’t know if this is the right thread for this, but the YMMV page for Twenty Year Old Girl X Thirty Year Old Maiden consists of just four words, including the trope name.

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Jul 9th 2019 at 10:03:17 PM

Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser has quite possibly the gushiest, longest paragraph I've ever seen plus tons of copy-pasting the entire script for moments.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 9th 2019 at 10:08:51 AM

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Jul 19th 2019 at 12:46:11 PM

I didn't know whether to post here or in the Real Life Section Maintenance, but since this sort of deals with a work, I figured I'd post it here.

I was fixing a redlink bug for the Tear Jerker page for The Nostalgia Chick, when I noticed a rather... problematic example. For those who don't know, Lindsay Ellis once made a documentary called The A-Word, which focused on her own personal experiences with getting an abortion. That's not really a problem, as its a work she put out for the public and posting moments for documentaries doesn't violate any rules as long as its in good taste.

However, I found this entry that talks about how sad the documentary is because Lindsay didn't explain why she got an abortion. It's speculating about a real life situation and feels... kind of gross.

  • Her documentary The A Word, one of her most serious works, reveals that Lindsay had an abortion and feels conflicted about it (as she says again in her "Shut Up and Talk Interview"). Whatever your opinion on abortion is hardly matters because we don't even know what the situation was. Did Lindsay actually have a choice, or did some medical problem force her to abort? Did she make her decision with misinformation of some kind? Is it really all not that huge of a deal to her and we're just reading into it too much? We'll obviously never know.

I feel if Lindsay didn't feel comfortable to discuss this in her documentary, we definitely shouldn't be speculating like it's some mystery that needs to be unraveled. This is obviously a delicate issue, but I don't think this is really appropriate. Especially since I don't think she's ever brought the topic up in her old Nostalgia Chick videos. Should we remove it?

Jul 19th 2019 at 12:55:46 PM

[up] It reads as troping real-life, and as you mention is problematic, so I say cut it.

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