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See here for Nightmare Fuel, which has frequent enough problems to deserve a thread of its own.
A while ago, I made a thread for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages, since they tend to attract all sorts of gushing about anything vaguely unsettling, as well as violations of Example Indentation and the Spoiler Policy among other problems. Well, other Moments pages have similar issues, though to a slightly lesser extent, so they may as well have a cleanup thread too.
"Moments" reactions should:
edited 30th Apr '18 6:39:13 PM by Zuxtron
I'll start with Awesome.My Hero Academia, which currently lists a lot of things, not all of which are necessarily awesome. Since there's so much of it, I'll just start off with the first two seasons of the anime. Do any of these sound like keepers, because they don't to me:
edited 30th Apr '18 7:26:35 PM by Zuxtron
Please don't start this yet. Moments pages haven't had anywhere near the problems of the Nightmare Fuel pages, so there might not be any need for this.
Now, most of the rules you proposed are fine and/or already in place. The only one I'm worried about is the "strong reaction" one. The Moments were renamed from Crowning Moment specifically because no one cared about it any more. Yes, you can list every single funny moment in an entire series. That is allowed, and has been for years.
I don't follow My Hero Academia, so I have no real opinion there.
edited 30th Apr '18 9:45:03 PM by Discar
Maybe I should have said "cause a reaction" without specifying that it has to be strong... I put that there mostly because of Tear Jerker, which often falls into the problem of listing every single mildly unpleasant thing that happens even when no one could be expected to actually feel sad from it, presumably in an attempt to make the show seem deeper than it is.
Since the problems fall mostly under gushing and episodic troping, perhaps I could just use the threads that are already there for these issues?
Apologies for resurrecting this thread. Is this still on hold?
The reason I'm asking is because the RWBY work is having extraordinary problems with the NightmareFuel.RWBY page, which requires constant cleaning up. However, the other Moments pages are just as bad. This is partially being driven by a single troper who adds an episode to the Moments pages as soon as the episode is released (for sponsors, so not even released to the general public yet) with the edit reason 'Adding an episode's core'. Examples tend to be solely scene summaries or how characters are reacting in scenes. In other words, the RWBY Moments pages are being used as a type of episode recap page.
I appreciate that other works may not be having the same level of problems as the RWBY one, but if anyone does want to take a look at what I mean, popping along to the TearJerker.RWBY page and taking a look will give an idea — in particular, the Volume 6 entries.
I'm fine with waiting if this still hasn't been set-up yet. I'm just flagging here that this particular work does have massive problems with all its Moments pages, not just Nightmare Fuel.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 27th 2019 at 8:21:14 PM
If it's a single troper who's the main issue of RWBY's moments pages requiring so much cleanup, I would suggest taking it to ATT.
Pokemon's Tear Jerker page contains an "Other" section that features fan stuff. Should those examples be removed?
This thread agreed that such things should be removed.
TearJerker.Rhythm Heaven lists the characters exploding at the end of the See-Saw minigame even though it's clearly played for laughs and Rule of Cool (they explode into smiling faces while playing Air Guitar). The example itself mentions that it's hilarious, and it's also listed on the Funny page. Can I remove it?
From what I've read, things that are Played for Laughs discount them from Tear Jerker and Nightmare Fuel, so feel free to axe them.
Being Played for Laughs doesn't disqualify something from being Nightmare Fuel since it could still end up being Accidental Nightmare Fuel.
(It does make it a lot less likely to be a valid example, however)
Toy Story 4 isn't out yet but TearJerker.Toy Story 4 is already padded with speculation and actors being sad.
^ Should be cut.
I think Funny.Smallfoot should be looked at— the page is very long and some of the "examples" are just... quotes.
Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 2nd 2019 at 8:54:00 AM
I believe all of the subpages for that work were made by a single troper, who had issues understanding the wiki. I would be surprised if there was much salvageable.
Yeah, though skimming the Heartwarming and Tearjerker pages I didn't find any moments of blatant misuse, and the only problem with Nightmare Fuel is that it only had one example which was already on YMMV (so I cutlisted it). The Funny page seems to really be the only one that is in desperate need.
I always dislike the "just quotes" on Funny pages, because they smack of ZCEs. I've seen it work on occasion, sort of as an It Makes Just As Much Sense In Context joke, but that's not what those are.
Anyway, haven't seen Smallfoot, so I can't say whether any of these examples are actually funny, but thankfully that's not really the problem. The problem is that they're poorly written so it's not clear what's actually supposed to be funny. It's hard to put a finger on how to fix any of them short of deleting them.
Aren't we supposed to avoid quotes being used as examples, as in, they can supplement an example but they can't be the example?
IIRC, if the entirety of an entry is wholly comprised of a quotation, then that is considered a Zero Context Example.
Yeah, at the very least we can comment-out the quotation examples.
I don't know what happened to TearJerker.Arthur, but it definitely wasn't organized by season and episode the last time I saw the page, with "moments" like " Mr. Ratburn is established as The Dreaded. When the kids find out they're in his class, they go Mass "Oh, Crap!" and scream." It feels like someone was rewatching the series and added moments as they went along regardless of them being sad.
TearJerker.Hop has the exact same issue and additionally is nothing but ZCEs or "this character is sad."
Edited by lalalei2001 on May 5th 2019 at 7:19:25 AM
Don’t know if this is the right thread for this, but the YMMV page for Twenty Year Old Girl X Thirty Year Old Maiden consists of just four words, including the trope name.
Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser has quite possibly the gushiest, longest paragraph I've ever seen plus tons of copy-pasting the entire script for moments.
Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 9th 2019 at 10:08:51 AM
I didn't know whether to post here or in the Real Life Section Maintenance, but since this sort of deals with a work, I figured I'd post it here.
I was fixing a redlink bug for the Tear Jerker page for The Nostalgia Chick, when I noticed a rather... problematic example. For those who don't know, Lindsay Ellis once made a documentary called The A-Word, which focused on her own personal experiences with getting an abortion. That's not really a problem, as its a work she put out for the public and posting moments for documentaries doesn't violate any rules as long as its in good taste.
However, I found this entry that talks about how sad the documentary is because Lindsay didn't explain why she got an abortion. It's speculating about a real life situation and feels... kind of gross.
I feel if Lindsay didn't feel comfortable to discuss this in her documentary, we definitely shouldn't be speculating like it's some mystery that needs to be unraveled. This is obviously a delicate issue, but I don't think this is really appropriate. Especially since I don't think she's ever brought the topic up in her old Nostalgia Chick videos. Should we remove it?
It reads as troping real-life, and as you mention is problematic, so I say cut it.
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