Getting Crap Past the Radar cleanup

Also, I removed a lot of examples from Radar.Garfield And Friends, since none of them looked like they counted. I didn't want to remove all of them without some input, so I wanted to ask about these three:

• In "Rainy Day Dreams", It was understandable that Jon's "date" (who was really trying to get his insurance) had to use his shower after Garfield threw a bucket of rain water at her, or she'll catch a cold. And Jon gentlemanly had his back facing her and she was in towel. Also understandable, she was in Jon's robe after the shower, since her dress was in the drier. It was always weird that after she dried her hair, she was lying in Jon's bed (though she may have been trying to calm her self down.) But the scenes where Garfield and Odie jump on the woman and they crashed with Jon,there was Absolute Cleavage at the opening of her robe. You could see the middle part of her chest. It looked something like the image on the Absolute Cleavage except without the stomach showing. When she left in a rush (and a huff) in Jon's robe and carrying her dress and coat, it makes you wonder if she was even wearing a bra when she got here.
• There are times when they would occasionally show the birds' (mainly Wade's)...anal holes...yes, in a show that was rated TV-Y when it aired on Nickelodeon and Toon Disney. Wade's was shown in episodes like "Wanted: Wade", a close up one in "Sleepytime Pig", and in "Egg Over Easy, part 1". Roy's was shown in "The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere's Duck".
• In "Much Ado About Lanolin", when Lanolina (the imaginary Lanolin) falls down the stairs, her panties are showing. At least unlike "Swine Trek" this was a group thought rather than just one of Orson's fantasies.

As far as I know, animal anuses are not considered offensive. See Neko Atsume, which gives each cat a prominent butthole (so prominent that there's no way it would have gotten past the radar if the radar was looking out for it) and is rated E for everyone.

Speaking of which, that game's page does have that listed as a Getting Crap Past the Radar example, so I may as well get rid of it for the aforementioned reason.

There is no indication that any of those examples should or would have been censored. The example must state this.

The anuses weren't played for Fetish Fuel or anything anyway. They were just there.

The Secret Life of Pets shows animal anuses. It's fine.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 5th 2019 at 12:23:05 PM

How do we determine the standards for Disney and Pixar films?

By looking at the content of Disney and Pixar films.

By definition, whatever comes on the screen is considered appropriate by those companies.

I mean, those films also have MPAA ratings, and can be compared to contemporary films with the same rating.

We have to operate from the default assumption that the ratings assigned by the MPAA (or ESRB or whatever) are accurate, and that the works are intended to conform to those ratings systems by their creators.

Only in cases where there is a deliberate attempt to get content past the censors can there be GCPTR. Period, full stop, end of conversation.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 5th 2019 at 3:50:32 PM

In that case, should all examples of Getting Crap Past the Radar for Disney and Pixar films be cut, and have the subpages cut as well?

I mean, I can't think of an example off the top of my head of a Disney or Pixar film that had anything in it that should invalidate its MPAA rating. So yeah, agreed.

Edit:

I've been told that I can be a little hasty when it comes to suggesting massive cuts, but if what's on Radar.Disney is any indication, I'm not seeing much worth saving....

Edited by HighCrate on Mar 5th 2019 at 1:04:03 AM

I would recommend transplanting the examples over to Parental Bonus, Accidental Innuendo, or an appropriate Subtext trope, rather than deleting them outright.

There's definitely dirty humor in these films that children wouldn't get, but I'd reckon that the censors would say in many cases "caught that. Your film has upgraded to PG."

I honestly think the entire trope should be limited to in-universe or creator-acknowledged examples, so there's no subjectivity or arguing. There are times where crap gets past some radars but not others, such as the "Uranus-Hertz"^note your anus hurts joke in a Dilbert strip.

My son knew about "Uranus" jokes when he was way younger than he is now. Dirty humor is not material that "should have gotten caught by the censors" unless it is explicit.

I agree that creator intent/acknowledgment is mandatory. I've been saying that all along. I don't know if the Dilbert example was acknowledged by Scott Adams, but it can only be an example if it was.

For example: "I put that in expecting it to be denied, but they let it through. I marvel at that to this very day."

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 5th 2019 at 4:20:16 AM

In the cases where they have their own subpage, like Radar.Frozen, they could be sent to the cutlist after that.

That is correct. Move anything that needs to be moved (and isn't a duplicate), then cutlist the page.

There's one on Radar.Coco where I'm not sure what the proper trope is:

• When Miguel tells Ernesto he's Ernesto's great-grandchild, at first Ernesto is quite surprised by the fact, but he soon accepts it. Later on we learn that Ernesto is not actually related to Miguel, and since he didn't really care that much about family while he was living, most likely he never had any legitimate children. So when Ernesto accepts Miguel as his grandchild, he probably assumes he accidentally got one of his lovers pregnant, and she never told him about it.

Isn't that Mama's Baby, Papa's Maybe?

The Coco example sounds like Fridge subtext.

Also, the most Scott Adams said about the Dilbert example (see Radar.Dilbert) was that this strip was banned in at least one newspaper in the Seven Years Of Highly Defective People compilation.

Also discuss the examples on Radar.Garfield, since we've discussed the cartoon and another comic strip. The first example is definitely not intentional.

I'll also advocate that this be made Trivia.

Many examples should be moved to Parental Bonus or given Parental Bonus pages instead of outright cut. The problem is that most tropers use Parental Bonus for "shout-outs kids won't get" and Getting Crap Past the Radar is "anything remotely related to adult humor, even if the work is for adults".

Hello. Since High School DXD is rated R15+ in Japan and TV-MA in the United States, I'm wondering if this example from the main page would be either cut or reclassified with a different trope:

• When Miki walks into Issei's room at the worst possible time in volume 1, she exclaims that her son just had sex with Rias, whom she assumes to be a foreigner.

I'm also wondering if we should look into the following examples for The Testament Of Sister New Devil:

• In the first episode, the position and movements being made by Basara and Mio when they're in the bathroom makes it look like they're having sex. In reality he's just trying to keep her from screaming after he accidentally walked in on her.
• Later in the first episode, Mio straddles Basara to wake him up, then bounces on him for a bit. She then mentions feeling something hard, goes under his blanket, only to pull out a copy of a Dating Sim game Maria hid underneath while he was sleeping.
• In episode 2, Mio is suffering from a curse put on her by Maria which causes her to get aroused. The latter tells Basara to touch her in places to make her more obedient to him. He tries not to do anything perverted, and only touches places such as her arm. Later Maria comments Mio went nine times, while wiping something off the floor.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 5th 2019 at 7:06:25 AM

First thing gets trashed. Not past the standard.

Given that the first work is classified as mature, I don't see how it can have examples of this trope.

On the second, again, if the work is ecchi or at least highly suggestive by nature, I don't see the radar being bypassed.

I've zapped those examples. Just to add to it, The Testament of Sister New Devil is rated TV-MA in North America and R15+ in Japan.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 5th 2019 at 10:44:01 AM

Regarding Radar.Garfield, there's no evidence listed that any of the examples were intentional.