Ambiguous Name: Complacent Gaming Syndrome

I think this thread has already started on the rollcall, but whatever the mods decide of course :)

@Septimus: That's what redirects are for.

edited 20th May '13 7:15:08 AM by StarSword

Ahem. The issue with using the name with less inbounds is that it's likely the worse name out there (it wouldn't have less inbounds otherwise). Redirects can't preserve "name advantage" because you can't really see them on the page they point to.

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The usage difference isn't that small either. On the other hand, the name isn't all there is to usage.

edited 20th May '13 7:35:40 AM by AnotherDuck

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I prefer Complacent Gaming Syndrome, personally.

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Ditto.

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Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

What about making CGS as a supertrope, and allow AAA to remain as a setting trope, and PPP for gameplay?

Seems legit to me.

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That is, ostensibly, what is the case right now. Given the fact the names for CGS and PPP are completely interchangeable, it'll lead to the exact same misuse.

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I don't see the difference between CGS and PPP in that setup.

Yeah, CGS and PPP still lack a distinguishing factor.

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Complacent Gaming Syndrome is a supertrope about players effectively only ever playing a subset of the game — only certain game modes, maps, characters, tactics, or whatever.

Abridged Arena Array is specifically about maps/stages/levels/etc.

Player-Preferred Pattern is specifically about strategy, whether that involves picking a certain character, using a certain item, or simply acting in a certain way.

I would make an effort to distinguish this from things like Game-Breaker and Character Tiers where players use specific things because they're better than other choices; these trope should be "there are several equally-good choices, but players always pick the same one anyway".

edited 29th May '13 6:39:52 PM by NativeJovian

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What makes using a preferred tactic the same subtrope as using a preferred character? One's how you act, and one's what you "physically" pick.

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Furthermore, the names "CGS" and "PPP" are interchangeable, and many examples overlap. Just because you can define a hypothetical difference doesn't mean that's how the rest of the wiki views those pages.

EDIT 2: That's what TRS is for, to create those differences if the Names imply there should be one.

I second Native Jovian: Make CGS the Super-Trope, PPP the technique/strategy-based Subtrope, and make a separate subtrope for the specific character subtrope. Tentative name: Player Favored Character (PFC) EDIT: With Character Tiers and Tier Induced Scrappy being Sister Tropes to PFC (TIS being PFC's equal and opposite)

edited 30th May '13 12:49:00 PM by DonaldthePotholer

Where does equipment fit in?

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Equipment, by itself (that is not in connection to specific characters and/or tactics), I would think would be Too Rare To Trope (EDIT: Actually The Same But Rarely Occurring), and thus such examples would be listed as part of the main CGS page.

Thinking it over, I'm just not sure if I can split off a separate description for Player Favored Character versus Player-Preferred Pattern. Perhaps the best solution to that sub-problem would be to combine CGS and the PPP examples that don't refer to specific characters; PFC is still a valid Sub-Trope.

EDIT: Star Sword & Crazy Samaritan: An Alternative Titles Crowner is not appropriate for the present debate. From the manual: "These crowners are for listing and voting on possible new names, not for arguing for [or against] the old one."

What we need is a Page Action Crowner. EDIT 2: Like this one.

EDIT 3: Let's check to see how many examples of both refer to Character-based choices and how many refer to non-character/arena-based options.

edited 30th May '13 3:11:26 PM by DonaldthePotholer

Because the type of character you pick is relevant to your strategy. If you want to use an aggressive strategy then it makes more sense to pick a Glass Cannon than a Stone Wall, if you want to use a strategy that focuses on mobility then you'd pick a Fragile Speedster over a Mighty Glacier, etc.

The same way as characters do; it's relevant to your strategy. If your strategy is all-out offense, then you're more likely to use a rocket launcher than a pistol, but if you're going for a more careful, defensive strategy, then a weapon where you can't accidentally hurt yourself with splash damage is probably a better idea.

For the record, I'm ambivalent on making a character-selection-specific subtrope of PPP. I can see the argument for it, but I'm not sure if it's distinct enough to split.

edited 30th May '13 5:57:23 PM by NativeJovian

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Suggestion: Merge those two and clean it up. Once that's done I think the purpose of the thread is accomplished.

That doesn't preclude a future subtrope split, though, but that might be easier to deal with on its own, and if it needs to be done at all.

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I agree.

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Me too.

I agree with the merge logic, so long as we get a YKTTW up for Player Favored Character (or similar) soon thereafter. The few "Patterns" that are independent of characters and/or Arenas can go on the merged page.

That sounds really like Ensemble Dark Horse.

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I think Ensemble Dark Horse is different enough, though. They both about popular characters, but for different reasons. One is about characters much more popular than their actual screentime would suggest, and the other is about the characters completely eclipsing everyone else, whether or not they're main characters.

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