For a list of bad laconics, see Sandbox.Pages Needing Better Laconics.
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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
I think the Evil Former Friend needs a new laconic because it doesn't capture what the trope is about and, as you say, is more like an evil version of We Used to Be Friends as a result.
How about?
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 27th 2023 at 1:55:32 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
I'm fine with that. Swapping it in! ... Btw, do we have a trope for when they're romantic instead of platonic?
Edited by Malady on Aug 27th 2023 at 7:25:14 AM
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I'm not sure, and I hesitated about using "platonic" in that suggestion, even after reading the original draft. Although even the draft adds things like Dumbledore and Grindelwald, the original entry focussed on the friendship rather than the romance (I'm not so familiar with the spin-off films as with the original Harry Potter books and films, but my guess is that this original entry would be outdated now as I believe it has since been confirmed they were lovers and not just friends with a bit of unrequited romantic feeling from Dumbledore).
I think Evil Former Friend is a bit ambiguous as to whether it can include romance. It certainly stemmed from the platonic when crafted, but I don't know if that was supposed to be "platonic-only" or "platonic is the draft focus, but romantic examples are in-scope".
Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 27th 2023 at 8:50:26 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
She / Her
Laconic.Heroic Sacrifice doesn't mention the requirement that the self-sacrifice wasn't pre-planned. Can I bring that back (the editor who removed it didn't fully explain why)?
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(x3) Late thank you.
Edited by RandomTroper123 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 12:01:42 PM
The laconic of Alpha and Beta Wolves is misleading.
In real life, Asskicking Leads to Leadership is observable for wolf packs in captivity, but the trope is about wolves portrayed, inaccurately, as behaving such a way in the wild.
What about simply this?
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Yeah. If it's pre-planned, it's a different trope, so making it clear this trope isn't for pre-planned examples is a good idea.
Can shapeshift (probably)
Can I update the laconic for Moral Myopia? It's been bugging the crap out of me for the longest time because it just sounds like a blatant carbon-copy of Hypocrite.
How's this:
Edited by Coachpill on Sep 7th 2023 at 6:15:43 AM
Silver and gold, silver and gold
Angry babby
That's a little long for a laconic. Frankly, Moral Myopia might overlap a lot with Hypocrite anyway.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Can shapeshift (probably)
Yeah, I was considering making a Trope Talk thread.
I think they're closely related, but not quite the same. A trope talk might be worth doing because there have been debates about both tropes in the past, and Hypocrite keeps having start-stop attempts to discussing how to fix its problems. It may be worth looking at both together.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
the Retromancer
Laconic.How A Realist Hero Rebuilt The Kingdom: "The Hero's enemies are playing the Game of Thrones, but he's playing Europa Universalis on God Mode."
This requires understanding of two unrelated works (and are also quite a stretch). Suggestion:
"A summoned student is made the king to fix the country's economy and military."
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the Retromancer
Laconic.Through A Face Full Of Fur: "Impossible changes of color in characters."
That's way broader than what the trope is about. Suggestion:
"Cartoonish changes of someone's skin to indicate their mood work even when the bare skin isn't visible."
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the Retromancer
Done, pending for the other one.
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She / Her
Seems fine to me.
Someone rewrote Laconic.Sad Clown which misses several crucial details; that the character acts happy but is really sad and insecure. While it attempts to use "pain" for the latter, that can be misinterpreted as physical pain when that seem to necessarily be part of it. Can I revert it?
the Retromancer
I like yours better.
Girls' Last Tour: "Gone with the Blastwave with cute moe blobs."
I don't think many have even heard of Gone with the Blastwave.
Suggestion: "Two cute girls explore an After the End city on a half-track motorcycle."
Edited by Amonimus on Oct 12th 2023 at 2:49:27 PM
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Laconic.Colon Cancer is currently:
- Titles: with two or more colons: can be really annoying.
Lets just do either
- Work titles using two or more colons with subtitles; tends to be cumbersome.
or if we want to self-demonstrate:
- Work Title: Plus Multiple Colons: And Subtitles: Awkward.
Edited by MegaJ on Oct 13th 2023 at 12:47:54 PM
the Retromancer
Laconic.Nichijou: Completely ordinary life hyper-exaggerated into The Amazing World of Gumball mixed in with Monty Python's Flying Circus.
Nobody would understand what that means, nor I see a strong connection to Gumball or Monty Python.
Suggestion: An allegedly "Ordinary Life" of schoolkids filled with Non Sequitur and artistic humor.
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I don't really have a problem with the current, but the non-self demonstrating one is definitely the clearest of the options.
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She / Her
(x3) I think either the current or your first suggestion work.
Sounds good to me, same with your suggestion at(x4). (Thanks for responding to my post by the way.)
Someone added two more sentences to Laconic.The Dog Bites Back which are misleading; the main page states it involves a villain and it's a Death Trope, but those newly added lines suggest otherwise. They also suggest it can apply to a bullied victim and non-lethal revenge, which the main page doesn’t mention. Can I remove them?
EDIT:Thanks.
Edited by RandomTroper123 on Oct 17th 2023 at 12:59:01 PM
Officially intimidated
I support the removals.
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Eldritch Location has a chained sinkhole. Which pothole should we keep? Or should we just ditch all of them?
The universe is under no obligation to make sense to us.
We Used to Be Friends page image got changed because they're supposed to just not be friends anymore, instead of being totally good vs. evil.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16924594860.73769000#comment-1
But Laconic.Evil Former Friend is:
Which might be depicted in We Used to Be Friends's current image, since they have their teeth bared at each other, in a sorta combative stance?
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