It looks like there's a trope in Sweater Girl. Really tight above the belly sweater to make the physique look more appealing. Why does something tell me the examples will be any girl wearing a sweater ever?

Because "appealing physique" = Fanservice == will get misused for Fetish Fuel?

Actually, the problem with that one is that it's a trope from the 1940's that seems to have died in the 1950's. Read more about it here. It was a way to get around censorship by having a woman in a sweater with a conical bra that was specifically designed to be pointy and stick out from the sweater letting the audience see the form of boobs while keeping the appearance of modern attire. It is not a trope that has been in fashion in decades.

edited 7th Dec '12 2:42:25 PM by shimaspawn

So a bit akin to Five-Man Band's problems (aside from the latter's Entry Pimping)?

Pretty much. It's an actual very old trope, but people seem to think it's any girl in a sweater.

Then we need to make the description clearer somehow.

Edit: And Lu was right, a lot of the examples are just "X wears a sweater in Y", although there's quite a few lampshadings in there too.

edited 7th Dec '12 4:41:09 PM by InsanityPrelude

A lot of our hot character tropes have major problems with zero context examples and personal opinions.

Also, I'd like to say that this idea for Shiny Midnight Black:

...sounds too close to Purple Is the New Black.

That's actually about colouring something entirely purple or blue. Not just the highlights.

edited 8th Dec '12 5:55:23 AM by shimaspawn

Hmmm, but is it an important enough distinction to make, especially with all the ZCE?

If we move it away from just being about hair and instead about colouring anything black it'll be less of an appearance trope and more of a colouring trope. People shoehorn in hair colours far more than tropes about how the colourist worked on something.

If it stays it should be example-less. It shouldn't be used as a trope on work pages at all.

I think it's pretty safe to say that we can call the Hair of Gold rename for Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold. HGOHG is running 19-zip, the other option is at 14 in the hole with no votes in favor of it, and the crowner's been up for well nearly 2 and a half days now.

edited 8th Dec '12 2:47:34 PM by Nohbody

^ I also think it would be okay to call the crowner soon.

Once we are done with Shiny Midnight Black, Power Blonde, and the rest, could we maybe discuss on how to fix the horrible mess Meganekko spiralled into? It stated out having a fairly specific definition of the concept of quickly decayed into "Anyone who wears glasses" regardless of the required personality traits (shyness, cuteness, kind, etc,). Even most of the girls in the page image don't fit the stereotype at all. It was decided to be split into types by this TRS thread. But that went nowhere because half the thread was spent talking about the fact that the title was in Japanese and there wasn't much discussion on just how we plan to split this before the crowner was made.

I personally don't think splitting it into tropes and making it a supertrope will work out. Because it will be like combining glasses with Shrinking Violet/ Adorably Precocious Child/ Student Council President / whatever.

I believe the best course of action is to give Meganekko a example sectionectomy, lock it, and make it a true fanspeak page. Cute Glasses Girl / Sweet Glasses Girl or whatever we call it will cover the actual trope (similar to what was done with Dojikko and Cute Clumsy Girl).

No matter what we decide on doing with the page, can we please get rid of that Glasses Girl redirect? Sure it's what meganekko literally means but I think it contributes to the misuse.

edited 8th Dec '12 7:52:11 PM by Oreochan

Appearance Symbolism or something? That's what I think of when I think of stuff like Fiery Redhead. Character Visual Cue?

Calling Hair of Gold to be renamed Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold.

Alright, somebody has transplanted and re-indexed the Main page. I moved, redirected, and cutlisted all the subpages, re-indexed the Analysis page, hollered for a Discussion transplant, and left notices on the Renamed Tropes page and thread.

edited 9th Dec '12 6:00:51 PM by ArcadesSabboth

I can guarantee the majority of those zero context examples on those 2000+ wicks are wrong.

Go ahead and cut all the ZCEs. They don't belong there. Change the ones that look right. The page itself needs a deep clean as well.

edited 9th Dec '12 9:55:27 PM by shimaspawn

Link to Hair of Gold Related to.. page for your cleanup convenience

In regards to the new crowner, may I suggest that we go by when it's hooked, not when created (as shown in the history page for each crowner option), for "been up long enough" purposes? While the various crowners are to be listed in the OP, given how the forum software handles opening up previously read threads it may get overlooked when it's just linked in a post instead of hooked to the thread.

edited 9th Dec '12 10:18:29 PM by Nohbody

I'm still planning on having every crowner linked for at least three full days. This just lets crowners season longer than they normally would but still lets us keep moving.

^ What I meant was that not everyone who will eventually vote will see it when it's just a weblink in the first post, instead of hooked to the thread

And on another note, I added Hair of Gold->Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold to TRS Wick Cleaning to get assistance with the cleaning/rename. Down to 2001 wicks for the old name as of this post.

edited 9th Dec '12 11:51:26 PM by Nohbody

Yes, that's why I'm linking each crowner to the bottom of the thread for at least three full days.

Zap any Zero Context Examples. Don't just change them to the new name.

edited 10th Dec '12 1:43:13 AM by shimaspawn

Hair of Gold has been renamed to Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold. It isn't about just any blonde.

Instructions on how to comb Hair of Gold:

• If the example is a Zero Context Example, such as "Hair of Gold: Character name" or just the trope name, try to flesh it out if the character it's describing is beautiful, good, young, innocent, sweet, wholesome, kind, and feminine. If you can't tell,    ZAP it.    Just renaming won't do any good.
• If the character is male, they have their own variation: Noble, chaste and knightly.
• If it's just a blonde actress in a movie set in the modern era, it likely isn't an example. Feel free to delete.
• Absolutely do not leave Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold as just the trope name without explanation. If you can't think of anything to add, it's alright to delete it.
• Possible edit reasons you can use:
  • "Hair of Gold has been renamed and this isn't example. It's not just about the hair colour."
  • "Hair of Gold requires certain characteristics besides blonde hair. The character needs to be beautiful, good, young, innocent or something thereof. This entry contains insufficient context."

Change the wikilinks found here to Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold. Press Ctrl+F to find them while you're editing the page. Many of them are not examples. Please exercise judgement. Bad ones need to be deleted altogether, not just renamed. Yes, you are free to delete them. Yes, there is a lot of shoehorning.

If you aren't sure, ask any questions here.

edited 10th Dec '12 8:15:38 AM by lu127