Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
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, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
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Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q. This episodic work isn't finished yet. Shouldn't we wait for the ending before discussing it?
A. No. If released instalments may violate the content policy, we want to take action as soon as that's established — we don't need to wait for the ending. We can always revisit a decision to cut or keep once the work is over, but that point might still be years or decades away.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 5th 2024 at 6:00:30 PM
So someone recently added this in the Age of Empires III page:
- Double Standard: The Definitive Edition renamed the Iroquois and Sioux civilizations to the Haudenosaunee and Lakota respectively, however when Age of Empires II was remastered, the nominally English (or at least Anglo-Norman) civilization retained its name of "Britons", despite this name historically applying to the original Celtic inhabitants of the British Isles, represented in-game by the Celts. These peoples were historically conquered and subjugated by the English. Whoops. It's also worth noting that the Japanese, Chinese, and Indian civilizations also retain their English names.
I lost my editing privileges and want to remove that. Do you think this example is any violation to any wiki rules? This looks like something that would cause a Flame War.
Goku Black
what does this have to do with the P5 ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Sorry, I kinda posted it in the wrong thread, is there a thread where I report examples that might violate certain rules?
You generally shouldn't be making edit requests if you're banned because that's circumventing the ban. Exception being the grammar help thread that mods have pointed you towards.
Furthermore, this is a forum section for discussing examples and works going too far in terms of sexual content, not political.
Ronnie
So I just noticed that the WMG page of the Godzilla vs. Kong was removed, but I'm a little confused on the why. I've seen the page before and it seemed to be no different to any other WMG page so why was it removed?
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
You're on the wrong forum. That page was cut for violating the policy about unreleased works, not for P5 issues.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Could I get the 5P circuit's opinion on "Tails of the Reluctant Teitoku"? (found on Questionable Questing, no link because it's NSFW) It's a KanColle fanwork that started out as more or less pure smut but kinda ended up developing into more than that. It has pretty interesting Worldbuilding and does some cool things with how it portrays it's Characters, but I'm not sure wether or not recomending it would run afoul of this site's content policy as it's still heavily NSFW.
Folks with experience in 5P-related matters might want to weigh in on this question over in the Trope Repair Shop.
There's an Undertale fanfiction called "Monster in the Mountain" by confuseddonut23 on AO 3 that I made a trope page for and want to recommend. I should have come here sooner, as it is advertised as "Porn with Plot". I should first clarify that the pair in this fanfiction are physically and chronologically adults, as it is set 11 years after canon when the couple were children. The second is that it is currently less "Porn with Plot" and more "Plot that may or may not have porn in the future," as it only has one masturbation scene after 84,000 words, thought I have no idea how drastically this will change in the future. Does the trope page need to be removed, or is it okay to recommend with applicable warnings?
We are generally fine troping Porn with Plot as long as the troping focuses on the plot, not the prurient aspects and there's no pedoshit involved. So both of those sound ok to have pages on.
If you're talking about Fanfic recs, I can't speak to that myself.
Edited by naturalironist on Jun 24th 2021 at 5:09:42 AM
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Alright then. I did make a CV report on the page just in case, pointing out the canonical age range and the fanfic age range just in case, but it should hopefully not be an issue based on your response.
pragmatic scientist
Can I get the P5's opinion on Monster Girls You Ki-chan and Echidna Wars DX ?
The first game contains a lot of optional NSFW scenes such as enemies groping and sexually harassing the player character and some vore. It's not the key point of the game though. It has a consistent gameplay and a story (although a bit bland one).
The second game is chock-full of vore but also seems to have consistent gameplay. I don't know about the plot but besides mindlessly bashing droves of fantastical creatures which all try to eat the player character alive in kind of kinky ways the only point of Echidna Wars seems to be the fanservice.
Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.
Okay so the site dosen't allow pornographic works, fine i can live with the fact that good stories such as this one reviewed right here (Since the images are censored i don't think they count as porn or actualy NSFW) : https://guardianacorn.com/2017/10/24/euphoria-beyond-horror-beyond-hentai-beyond-art-detailed-review/ and here: https://guardianacorn.com/2018/12/05/euphoria-a-feminist-analysis-sadistic-torture-porn-or-brutal-allegory-nsfw/ are no longer welcome here, they promote creepy edits and
I am not here to make a statement to bring them back,
The statement i wanna make is why ACTUAL CP that is cuties is allowed, it sexualises actual underage girls, at least exposing them to danger if not outright hurting them (And saying that it actualy criticizes sexualization, does not matter it loses the ability to do so when they decided to do live action with actual underage actresses and no dawson casting)
Please remove this unethical garbage
Edited by janlor1996 on Aug 3rd 2021 at 12:17:20 PM
Angry babby
I feel like calling Cuties "ACTUAL CP" is disingenuous from a legal standpoint. Sexualized dancing is bad, but not literal child porn.
I'm pretty sure Cuties was discussed already and allowed to stay because the context is meant to be disturbing, I don't think we see any nudity, and it has a plot that doesn't primarily involve NSFW content.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Cuties is up for review actually.
Yeah it kinda got stuck there as it didn't garner an immediate purge reaction. Keep arguments are along the lines of no explicitness, playing the behaviour for creepyness rather than pandering and being available via mainstream distributors. Delete arguments are pretty obvious. System didn't function enough to hold a proper vote on what to do with it, so it sits there still.
good
also while cuties may not be cp in legal sense it can be called cp in ethical sense since it is immoral for same reason: Hurting Children
Angry babby
Since CP is often a specific legal term, I don't think it should be as broad as "hurting children" (especially since that doesn't specify the sexual kind of hurt). I personally prefer "child sexual exploitation material" as it's more broad and I think it can refer to things that don't explicitly involve real kids, for example.
We generally lump all creepy shit regarding children under the definition of "pedopandering."
Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 3rd 2021 at 4:39:21 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Showtime!
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yeah, iirc child porn doesn't cover written material, which our ban definitely would
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
(Whoops sorry about that, I found the wrong forum. Ignore this.)
Edited by Bubblepig on Aug 22nd 2021 at 11:05:08 AM
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
No this is about discussing the rules themselves rather than whether examples fit the rules as they currently stand.
If you find a problematic work page you go here, if you find a problematic individual example you go there
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
Ok I'll go there next time if I want to repost something. Thanks.
Edited by Bubblepig on Aug 22nd 2021 at 11:40:31 AM
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
I'm working on a TLP called Heist Clash which involves two or more parties trying to rob the same place at the same time, often causing complications. One of the examples I want use is a DC/Marvel crossover involving Black Cat and Catwoman both trying to steal a statue of Bast. The problem is that its also an erotic fic and I'm not sure if it will be appropriate.
Edited by windleopard on Sep 12th 2021 at 10:28:25 AM
Blitzy....
As long as you don’t go into detail about the porny bits, it’s okay.
Just made a server on discord.Come join me.
I'll repeat what I said in ATT: stalking isn't as likely to scare off advertisers as rape because while it's creepy harassment, it's not inherently NSFW. (The description also makes it clear that it's not actually okay in real life.)
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.