Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here
, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
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Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Apr 27th 2024 at 7:29:01 PM
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Then it should be moved to the "too common to list" category. I don't know if we should keep the "chances are we'd be sued" disclaimer due to Rule of Funny, or replace it with "almost every horror work uses it, so it's not worth listing all of them".
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
Is the yuri one-shot Blushing Girl allowed under the content policy? A Google search reveals it's on hentai sites, and it doesn't currently have a page, but the image on Used to Be a Tomboy is potholed to it, and it's linked on ImageSource.Anime And Manga. Should I remove the links to be safe?
Edited by rjd1922 on Dec 16th 2018 at 5:04:09 AM
Keet cleanup
Should any page which says the N word be counted as NSFW?
Edited by ZetAreda on Feb 25th 2019 at 6:16:50 AM
No? Why would it?
Edited by shadowblack on Feb 25th 2019 at 4:18:15 PM
Lost in Space
We aren't here to be prudes or nannies and censor swearing in case some five year old sees it. That said, we do not want gratuitous swearing: the use of language inappropriate to the context. Words like "fuck" and "shit" shouldn't appear in articles for My Little Pony, for example. There should never be a need to use racial or sexual slurs in wiki writing unless it's a direct quotation.
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2019 at 9:35:47 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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(x4)
Are you sure it's the same manga? I remember it being SFW.
Either way, there are several images on here from NSFW sources. As long as the image is SFW then I don't see the issue.
x5 We have 15 clean images from Hentai already according to that image sources you linked so I assume its fine, the image itself is perfectly clean.
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
So it's OK to remove swearing on pages for children's works? I've seen some swearing that seemed out-of-place, but left it because I didn't want to be seen as a Bluenose Bowdlerizer.
Lost in Space
Specifics would be nice, but in general, it is okay to remove gratuitous swearing in articles for works rated for children.
Edited by Fighteer on Jun 1st 2019 at 7:42:14 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
I forget what page the swear I'm thinking of was on, but I'll remove it if I see it again, as it seemed quite gratuitous.
Edited by rjd1922 on Jun 1st 2019 at 1:53:33 PM
Keet cleanup
Generally speaking, if you can rewrite an example to have less cursing without damaging the CCW trinity, go for it. I've done that myself whether or not it was on a page about adult material.
As Family Friendliness says, an example without a cuss word is normally a better example, unless it's a direct quotation (in which case you usually only cut if the quote is pornographic).
It's a bird.
Is there a convenient, up-to-date list somewhere of all the forum topics that are currently banned or placed under a moratorium?
Apologies if this is the wrong thread for that question.
Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.
No. (Wiki Talk is probably better for asking this.)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=5ogdgqvs8ohsn7ssa5tr0mhx&page=1#8 is the list of topics that won't be opened in OTC, but if the topics come up in Politics threads, the mods are usually okay with that. Impeachment being brought up in US Politics is currently limited to news rather than conjecture or opinion because it becomes a circle jerk whenever it's brought up.
In short, refer to The Troping Code and keep an eye on mod notices.
I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
I am wondering if we are allowed to have a page for Literature.Beautiful Losers, Leonard Cohen's only novel. This work is kind of borderline in my opinion. There's a lot of graphic sex in the book (though it definitely has a plot), including the rape of a 13-year-old. It's all intended to shock rather than titillate, although the first person narrator is into all of it to some extent.
On the other hand, it's not porn, merely a transgressive postmodernist work along the lines of Lolita and Naked Lunch. If those works fit the content policy, I believe this would as well.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
Kukuku
Based on my research, I feel like Beautiful Losers would get a pass. It is clearly not porn or pedo-pandering, and has historical value to it.
"A buddy is a buddy no matter how nutty."
Having read the book, I have a hard time imagining anyone reading it for masturbatory purposes.
I will proceed with making the page.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
We have pages on some works with some pretty messed up content that were evaluated and deemed to have artistic merit since they played it for horror and revulsion rather than Fetish Fuel.
So from what your describing I think you'll be fine.
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
The Ryan Bane entries on Horrible.Musicians are very sexual and squicky. Do they violate the content policy?
Keet cleanup
So is porn allowed these days as long as it doesn't involve underage characters and has a "plot"?
It always was. Cases where the plot's too thin to count or exists solely to facilitate the porn are decided by the P5.
I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
Kukuku
It's hard to say that 'porn' is allowed. The majority of the works with explicit sexual content that have been passed were quite different from, say, Girls Gone Wild or Barely Legal Co-Eds 7.
It is very unlikely a pornographic movie would be able to be passed even if it had a plot, as even the ones with R-rated cuts (Lord of the G-Strings, Batman XXX, Pirates) were unable to make it through the 5P. (One may argue that In the Realm of the Senses or 9 Songs is a pornographic film, but they have enough awards and/or film festival showings to be defended.)
Novels (both visuals and actual) seem to have the easiest time getting through with explicit sexual content.
Edited by Assassin-sensei on Jul 7th 2019 at 2:55:33 AM
"A buddy is a buddy no matter how nutty."
Hi. I have a question regarding Ryuo's Work is Never Done (Ryuuou No Oshigoto). I'd like to start the page for it but someone suggested clearing it with the 5P. The reason is the series has a number of small girls around the (just barely adult) protagonist, and a number of such jokes are made at his expense (it doesn't help that he doesn't seem to have a single male student either).
However the series also explains that due how young Shogi players are apprenticed to masters (of which he is), this is rather normal. Masters are also suppose to take in apprentices in as if they were family (which includes board and food in some cases).
Then there's the fact that the protag's penalty for not training his apprentice well enough to let her get a title before she comes of age is to marry her (as she would have no other job prospects, according to her mom), but the girl treats it as if they're already married (much to his horror). There's also the running gag of him saying the worst things out of context, making it seem like he has a squad of little girls chasing after him.
The series has a lot of those moments, but in general it focuses more on the Shogi game, and all of it never amounts to anything more than teasing and (in one case) a kiss on the cheek. The driving plot of the anime is mainly him trying to get over his fear of the Meiji, the champion who is coming after his title and has remain undefeated, along with a look into how brutal the world of Shogi is (think life of a Russian Chess Grand Master), especially the emotional stress of it on the young trainees, and the gender inequity in the sport itself.
I just wanted to present it somewhere after getting some advice, as I don't wanna accidentally promote prohibited material. However aside from internet memes, I don't think this has anything really bad about it (or at least on par with something like Familiar of Zero). Still though, never hurts to check. I was pointed to this forum to post, so I hope I posted it in the right place.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Coming from this ATT thread, I want to ask about the film Mood Boobs. It appears linked on several porn sites, but a troper's closer inspection found that the film seems relatively innocent, and may just be on those sites for fetish-y reasons unrelated to the actual content.
A quick look through the page history shows a note (that was removed by Fast Eddie) stating that it doesn't have examples due to being an Omnipresent Trope in the horror genre.