Playing With Wiki: General Cleanup and Writing Help

newtvtropesuser added some weird stuff to PlayingWith.Women Are Delicate, like:

• Justified: ???The story is set way before people began realizing the silliness of the trope. 1950's or earlier.
  • The story has a strongly conservative, traditional religious theme.
  • The writer doesn't know how else to write the character (which is often the case).

Or:

• Exploited:

A delicate looking woman is framed or takes blame for a very violent crime. Nobody would ever suspect her.

• Works doubley well if she DID do it.
• Men can really underestimate them going into a confrontation and it usually end up bad for the guy.
• Distracted by the Sexy

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Yeah, that's weird. Justified Trope is for In-Universe justifications only, I think?

Edited by Malady on Jan 4th 2020 at 7:24:50 AM

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Yeah, it is.

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Okay, ~newtvtropesuser needs a little help with this, check out their attempt at PlayingWith.The End Of The World As We Know It.

Yes, I'm pinging them so we can hopefully get a discussion going and help them make these pages better.

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Ok, so I took some time and re-wrote some most stuff on PlayingWith.Women Are Delicate. Only after that I read the whole description.

And...

I believe the page should be cut. It serves no purpose for an omnipresent trope which is supposed to be without all examples, both straight and played with.

Edited by XFllo on Jan 5th 2020 at 1:35:08 PM

Yeah, cutlist it then.

And the other page I cited was already cut, so...alright.

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I put the other page on the cutlist because it was pretty bad — I mean just basic trope and played straight, that's extremely low-effort.

So I just created PlayingWith.Accidental Kiss. I am trying to fill out completely but I am drawing ablank on how this trope can be inverted.

Macron's notes

- What's a Deliberate Kiss in relation to an Accidental one?

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I think technically all your examples are Justified, and that Intensity should be a scale on the forcefulness / length of the kiss.

Peck on the mouth vs. Needing to come up for air.

Edited by Malady on Jan 12th 2020 at 1:07:42 AM

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I guess you could justify an accidental kiss, with some destiny magic being at play, but then, it's also Subverted, in that it's not actually an accident?

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PlayingWith.Teleporter Accident basically defines it as Teleportation Gone Horribly Wrong...

If so, then Teleportation Misfire is a Sub-Trope?

I guess "Teleportation causes injury" is the only other result, if Teleportation Misfire, catches all "Teleportation Destination is wrong"...

Edited by Malady on May 18th 2020 at 10:40:11 AM

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I don't like PlayingWith.Virgin In A White Dress, since I think it entrenches itself too much with Fairytale Wedding Dress, when I think the spirit of this trope refers to a young and innocent ingenue in white. The "Subverted" and related bullets seem to be a lot of ways to say "she has had sex before".

Edited by Synchronicity on May 20th 2020 at 12:50:50 PM

- I get what you mean. The Fairy Tale Wedding Dress wick is presumably because it's our only Basic Wedding Dress trope.

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And yeah, the Subversions don't work, because there's no expectation that the trope is being played, in any of those instances...

Maybe if a dressmaker offers her a white wedding dress, saying something like, "Here, why not try this classic white dress, perfect for a young bride."

With "Young" as innuendo for "Virgin" or something.

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Note to self. Ping Macron Notes to see if the story of this, sorta works, if used for kisses and proposals, as a Justification:

https://www.deviantart.com/justixoxo/art/Accidentally-Proposed-294824548

Edited by Malady on May 21st 2020 at 2:35:25 AM

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Not sure how that's going to work with kisses. Do you have an idea of what that looks like in playing with format?

I think that image works for the example used in PlayingWith.Accidental Proposal since Mako didn't that that necklace was a betrothal necklace.

Macron's notes

- Whoops, "instead of proposals", not "and proposals".

Like, if someone sets someone up to have an accidental kiss, does that make it Justified?

Oh, that's already on the page, under Invoked... ... Is there any reason it can't be both Invoked and Justified?

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PlayingWith.Bad Dreams is a subpage for a trope that recently got renamed.

I was going to transfer the contents over, but there are some items that don't meet the requirement of dreams triggered by past events: Exaggerated, Downplayed, Inverted, Zigzagged, and probably Deconstructed.

New name is Past Experience Nightmare.

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PlayingWith.Mutant Draft Board is poorly written. Only 2 of the variations have entries (the rest are ???), and all of them has incorrect potholes to other trope. I'm not familiar enough with the trope to give it a proper write-up.

PlayingWith.That One Attack...

Cut since YMMV can't be played with?

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While the following Warhammer 40,000 example is certainly playing with the Amazon Brigade trope, I am not sure how it is being played with. It was originally listed as subverted but a recent edit changed it to simple played with. Anyone have any ideas?

• Amazon Brigade: Played with. Though the banshee is considered a female spirit in Eldar mythology, males can technically join these Aspect Warriors, but adopt a female persona and female-formed armor while they wear their "war mask".

Knowledge is Power, Guard it Well

Downplayed maybe? PlayingWith.Amazon Brigade has some members being men aa an example of that.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 25th 2020 at 6:22:50 AM

Macron's notes

One might interpret "downplayed" as, say, implying that an AMAB woman is less of a woman than her cisgender peers.

TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faer

Well in this case at least they are not actually trans-women, they intentionally develop a female split-personality for religious and cultural reasons instead.

Anyway I think Downplayed would fit, thanks.

Edited by SebastianGray on May 25th 2020 at 7:10:13 PM

Knowledge is Power, Guard it Well

Saw this in PlayingWith.Dumbass Teenage Son

• Straight: Bob saunters around, has the posture and gait of your typical stoner, is often sluggish and usually talks in a broken voice and has a retarded laugh, but he's actually much smarter than he lets on, he just can't be bothered to show it.

The part I bolded... What do you guys think about it, are we even allowed to use that word in that way, is it just a slur no matter what?

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 28th 2020 at 6:32:30 AM

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Yep, nix that word.

TV Tropes's No. 1 bread themed lesbian. she/her, fae/faer

Wait, how does a "broken voice" play into it? What is that, anyway?

And why is this Brilliant, but Lazy bit part of the Straight example?

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PlayingWith.Ax Crazy still has a big Wall of Text for the Justified section.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 30th 2020 at 8:49:51 AM

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