The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Then get rid of the family-friendly claim. Then that criticism evaporates. This isn't hard to grasp.

Did you actually read our Family Friendly page? Like I said Family Friendly, really means SFW.

edited 6th Jun '12 11:26:22 PM by RhymeBeat

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.

Then the index needs cleaning if it can become clean, and the tropes that are beyond redemption should go down the drain. Regardless, the tropes that were valid in idea should not stay gone arbitrarily. If we need to put a "This is Serious Business" banner on it, let us put a serious business banner on it. If the entire index needs be stublocked, so be it. The worst case scenario could be that we don't discuss such things, and thus, no warning is given when dealing with works that contain rape. Without those tropes, there is no indicator of the fact that there is RAPE implicit, explicit, discussed, or otherwise in a work.

If anything, these tropes should stay as a warning flag to people who do use TV Tropes to find media.

Edit: Thank you, Hydronix, and Rhyme Beat.

edited 6th Jun '12 11:29:57 PM by Roraborialis

Happens to be known as Walrus Jones in other circles.

Just gave it a read through. It cautions against cursing. So cursing=bad. Graphic Descriptions of rape=okay. I have no words.

Guy, I am absolutely certain that I have seen several page with rather in detail descriptions of the rape that takes place within a work. Edit: No argument here.

edited 6th Jun '12 11:42:04 PM by allfornot2

So then "Family Friendly" means something other than "Family Friendly?"

edited 6th Jun '12 11:33:28 PM by Samamander

What are you talking about? "We can talk about literature (media, that is) which is racy. We just can't be the racy literature."

That means graphic descriptions a sexual acts is against the rules.

Then those are against the rules and need to be edited to be have less details and more what just basically happened.

edited 6th Jun '12 11:39:20 PM by KuroBaraHime

Folks, let's take a small break here until we have some progress. Emotions are running too high. Small cooldown for everybody.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

Opening it back up. Please recall that we are trying to get a judgment from Google on how to proceed and that we all think rape is an omni-present trope we should be able to talk about. Not much can be added to that until we get an idea from Google on how to proceed.

edited 7th Jun '12 4:56:58 PM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

Okay, now that this thread has been unlocked, and hopefully our blood temperature has been brought back down to lukewarm, do anyone here have any works that should be content-reviewed?

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.

I think there should be a 'should I flag this' thread with directions and stuff.

Or a headline.

I understand why there was no headline two months ago (good Lord, really?) when all this first went down, but now that we have a system and it's important to get people to use it, it will be helpful to let people know about it.

edited 7th Jun '12 5:00:47 PM by HersheleOstropoler

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

"We do not want a page on this topic. It does not meet our content policy." - this statement is useless without a link to exactly what the content policy IS.

Is that really necessary, though? I don't think of the flag tool as the Cut List.

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!

^^ Including a link to the content policy in that banner seems like a good idea.

Just a fun thing for everyone who's been working hard on the P5 Project. It's super off-topic, but I laughed.

Art style looks more like Sinfest than actual manga though.

Sorry, sorry, OT

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

So right, yet so wrong.

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.

The link to the content policy is https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=kiqoyj58taihfp8hpbezck0s&page=2#46 - this should be added to the relevant banners/pages/etc and given a prominent link from somewhere or actually made a separate page to be linked to.

Now that the thread is back open, I can finally resume posting information. *

Here's my take on Papa No Iukoto O Kikinasai:

Ep. 2:

Starts off with the eldest of the girls (Sora?, age ~13-14) in the shower. Subtle. And of course, the guy (Yuuta, college age) walks in on her as she’s getting dressed. Way to make a first impression, guys.

Update the first: An innocent bathing scene in a flashback with the guy, and eyecatches with fanservice from middle daughter (Miu?, age ~10-11), Sora. Youngest daughter (Hina, 3) not sexualized. Yet.

Update the second: Some rather gratuitous focus on Sora’s ass. Beyond that nothing to report, thanks to shit getting dramatic. Well, melodramatic, but…

Ep. 5:

Opens with Yuuta walking in on the girls again. Fuck.

Update the first: fanservicey eyecatch, featuring Miu in a rather age-inappropriate outfit. Also a bit with a creeper friend of Yuuta’s who draws a scarily-accurate picture of Miu from the sound of her voice and lusts over her. The female club member (Raika?, college age) whacks him with a paper fan in retaliation.

Update the second: Not much fanservice to report from the back half until the end. Sora walks into Yuuta’s partition of the apartment clad only in a Modesty Towel. Which she drops in surprise. Nothing is shown, but still.

Ep. 9:

Oh, look. This one didn’t start with facepalm-inducing fanservice.

Update the first: Only fanservice from the neighbor (~23-25? Old enough, anyways) while she was drunk off her ass and Raika in an eyecatch.

Update the second: Only fanservice from Raika. Otherwise clean, if melodramatic.

Pro:

• Mostly clean
• Hina is not sexualized at all
• Captain Creeper is portrayed as, well, a creeper

Con:

• Still some sexualization of the two older sisters
  • Sora is more frequent target, borderline age group
  • Miu is below the borderline but most (if not all) fanservice of her is in the eyecatches and OP rather than the show proper
• Unclear demographic (presumably shonen, possibly seinen) Explanation
  Six different manga, three different demographics. Anime is presumably based on the light novels. Most "direct" adaptation of LNs is shonen (as listed on the work page

Sorry for the Wall of Text. Still working on the six manga. (Six? Is that really necessary, guys?)

EDIT: @P5: Come to think of it, the sheer volume of material might justify opening a thread for it.

edited 7th Jun '12 6:38:03 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen

Wrote this almost a month ago and, even if there's nothing definitive right now, I was prophetic unfortunately. Honestly, I wonder what's the use of any effort if a freakout of Google, for whatever reason, sends a lot of it to waste. It's not only a problem with vultures from Mountain View however, but I noticed discussion on the matter (and no, I'm not referring to the obscured tropes) is not appreciated... Anyway, good luck to whoever feels like going on under these conditions.

edited 7th Jun '12 6:18:54 PM by GendoIkari

Re: Papa No Iukoto O Kikinasai's demographic.

The main manga runs in Jump Square, definitely a Shounen magazine.

One spin-off manga ran in Jump SQ.19, also Shounen.

2 spin-off manga ran in Ultra Jump and Weekly Young Jump, both Seinen.

Finally, one spin-off ran in Cookie, a Shoujo magazine.

The original light novel is published under the Super Dash Bunko label, which seems to be mainly Shounen.

@Largo With four hundred different pairs of panties! I saw an ad for a real game like that.

@ final starman that would reduce a lot of bad flags.

@Kuro: As always, thanks for the input.

Re: Papa No Iukoto O Kikinasai Manga (specifically the main one)

Chapter 1:

Five pages in and already a 3/4 page shot of half-naked Sora. Goddamnit. Another 20 or so later, and about half the page is focused on the contents of Sora’s skirt. Still not as bad as the face full of crotch Yuuta gets from both Sora and Miu later in the chapter. To his credit, everyone seems more embarrassed than anything else. Of course they also have to use the obnoxious ecchi cliché of “Guy falls on girl”. Side Note

Chapter 2:

Opens with a shot of 11-year-old Sora’s (not 14-year-old Sora’s) panties. Goddamnitsomuch. Also a bath scene with Censor Suds. Much of the remaining fanservice is focused on Raika. Except one last gratuitous panty shot from Sora during another face full of crotch. Please don’t let that be a running gag.

Chapter 3:

Opens with a panty shot from Miu on the chapter title page. Not off to a good start. Also overuses Accidental Pervert moments. There was a lovely Fullmetal Alchemist reference, though. Which was thereafter cancelled out by a gratuitous 1/4 page shot of Miu’s ass. And a gratuitous imagine spot of the older sisters bathing (context: on Sora’s part, not on Yuuta’s part).

Chapter 4:

Pool chapter. Looks like most of the fanservice is from Raika.

• Pro:
• Shonen, thus most of the fanservice is aimed at similarly-aged characters
• Still no sexualization of Hina

Con:

• 3/4 page panty shots seems a little excessive, methinks
• Notably racier than the anime
• More sexualization of Miu as compared to the anime

Also note that "No sexualization of Hina" is vaguely akin to praising a doctor with "They didn't decapitate me"

One manga down, five to go.

edited 7th Jun '12 6:57:38 PM by tdgoodrich1

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen

In the Popotan thread, Martello brought up the opening...

I'm assuming he's referring to one that looks like this. (Note: May be considered NSFW.)

This is -not- the anime opening. The anime opening looks like this. Notice the rather significant difference in the amount of panties. I'm not sure adding up the entire anime shows as much underwear as that first video does.

As implied by the above, I've since watched the rest of the series. I find the second half pretty much like the first half.

Overall. Yeah, almost every episode has a bath scene, where you can see that Mii has nipples. Well, that probably applies to most of us here. The scene composition does not linger on this; if anything it seems to be trying to divert attention elsewhere, where that can be done without resorting to absurdly convenient objects. It's pretty noticeable by comparison to Ai, who the camera does linger on sometimes. There are no lingering panty shots of Mii, nor is she put in a succession of fetish outfits, nor is she regularly found in suggestive poses with various persons or objects. There isn't even a single instance of Erotic Eating.

Now, the game? The game is different. That definitely violates the rules. But can we leave the anime out of it?

"So... the time has come for you to meet your demise..."