Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

Yeah that's not allowed.

This complain-y entry was just added under Fan Nickname on Trivia.Pokemon Sword And Shield:

• Hop gets called "Galarian Hau", "Discount Hau", or "Hau 2: Electric Boogaloo" by those who dislike him for being extremely similar to Hau.

Not only is it complain-y, but it's also inaccurate since while they share some similarities, Hop has significant differences in personality, goals, and in his character arc from Hau. For example, Hop is less easy-going and takes being a trainer more seriously from the get-go than Hau.

Edited by ADrago on Nov 23rd 2019 at 4:07:13 AM

I've seen uses on Reddit of all three of these nicknames (plus Hau 2.0), so it IS used by fans. Now, it's probably inaccurate on the part of them rather than the entry (as in, this is judging by appearance and in-story role), but it is undeniably complainy to an extent.

Edited by Piterpicher on Nov 23rd 2019 at 10:38:08 AM

Not sure.

By the way, anyone want to weigh in on WarJay and Houou?

The bashing should be lower even if the subject isn't kosher.

Even if the nicknames are real, the page is called Fan Nickname, as in nicknames used by fans of whatever or whoever has the nickname(s). There's a reason Detractor Nickname was added to the Permanent Red Link Club. If fans of Hop (as opposed to detractors) use any of those nicknames, then the example needs to be rewritten to account for that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 24th 2019 at 6:42:43 AM

Oh god, where do I even begin on Houou?

Well, for starters, the Family-Unfriendly Aesop entry is plain misuse, so that can be discarded.

I’m wondering, should there be a list of tropes and items that people tend to use to complain so maybe just to caution those who plan on adding those to a page? There seems to be a lot of reoccurring tropes and items that end up on this post.

I mean, that's basically the Flame Bait list, with some exception for tropes that cause other sort of edit wars.

GastonRabbit: I thought Fan Nickname was for any nicknames used by fans of the work, not necessarily fans of the character in question.

Even if that's the case, then the example could still be toned down to have less Detractor Nickname-like wording.

Suggestions:

• Hop gets called "Galarian Hau", "Discount Hau", or "Hau 2: Electric Boogaloo" for his similarities to Hau.
• Hop gets called "Galarian Hau", "Discount Hau", or "Hau 2: Electric Boogaloo" for being seen as very similar to Hau.

This example on Lying Creator should probably be removed since it's accusing John K. of lying about something in real life, not about his work:

• To say the least, many of John Kricfalusi's stories about Spumco and his career in animation have been called into question by his animation contemporaries, especially in regards to his views on the history of The Ren & Stimpy Show.

Those sound better. I think the second one works better.

Since this site isn't supposed to trope real people (and since Lying Creator is supposed to be about lies about works' content), that sounds like it could easily be removed.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 25th 2019 at 3:49:00 AM

I changed the Hop example to the second one since it sounds less complain-y.

Removed the John K example from Lying Creator.

I meant a more downplayed version of that. Flame Bait covers things that shouldn't ever be on the main trope pages. I was thinking more the lines of "use these tropes and items, but be careful you don't come across as complaining."

Anyway, does The Simpsons S8 E17: "My Sister, My Sitter" seems a bit too complainy to you guys?

• The Bad Guy Wins: At the end of the episode, Bart succeeded in turning Lisa into a pariah (or at least temporarily). To some viewers, this also makes his apology to her feel hollow and insincere.

• Didn't Think This Through: Homer and Marge thought Bart, a known troublemaker who barely ever listens to adults, would just accept his little sister being put in charge of him?

• Hypocrite: Dr. Hibbert call Lisa to babysit his children, just hours after calling her a bad babysitter in front of the entire town.

• Idiot Ball: Held by Homer and Marge when they think Bart will be okay with having his younger sister babysit him.

• Karma Houdini: Homer and Marge come across as Unwitting Instigator of Doom in this episode as hiring Lisa to babysit Bart couldn’t have possibly ended well do to how utterly humiliating it has to be for Bart (and then once they see her on the mud in the mall, knowing perfectly well what kind of kid she is, go along with the condemnation the rest of the town is giving her). Yet they never receive any consequences for their idiotic decision which nearly got their son killed and turns one of their other children into a (temporal) pariah.

• Too Dumb to Live: Bart's decision to continue screwing with Lisa after getting a huge bump on his head and dislocating his arm is to lock himself in his room and repeatedly bash his head against the door to make the bump bigger. He knocks himself out.

• Took a Level in Jerkass: Bart is much more malicious than usual in this episode, to rather disturbing levels (being annoying is in line with what he's done before, but then he shows he's perfectly okay with self-harm in order to achieve a victory over Lisa). The fact that Bart acted like a jerk was the reason why this episode was panned when it premiered.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 25th 2019 at 9:36:33 AM

I'll weigh in.

• The Bad Guy Wins is not a proper example. Bart acted like a brat, but he wasn't really the villain here. Plus, he spent most of the third act unconscious and he admits his actions went too far during the end.
• The Hypocrite example probably fits Hypocritical Humor better.
• I think the Karma Houdini example is just complaining. The thing is, Lisa had a good track record as a babysitter beforehand. Now trusting Lisa to be in charge of Bart is a bit an issue, but I can't say they could've foreseen how far things will go.
• Too Dumb to Live is not an example. The trope is for when people make stupid decisions that get them killed, which clearly didn't happen to Bart.
• I think Took a Level in Jerkass is for long-term changes in a character, not a single episode like this. At best, this should be moved to Jerkass Ball. The final line should be cut though.
• Didn't Think This Through and Idiot Ball look fine to me.

I think Homer and Marge's decision more falls under What An Idiot than Idiot Ball.

I'm not sure sure if this counts as complaining, but I found this on the What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? page:

Now that Disney owns 20th Century Fox, they are no longer a company aimed at families since they have the rights to ADULT CARTOONS like The Simpsons, Family Guy and Futurama. They are becoming like Warner Bros in the sense that they are both aimed at children and adults.

Again, sorry for wasting your time if this doesn't count as complaining.

Wouldn't count them as an example

As an example of complaining or an example of the trope?

Of the trope.

Yeah, that's what I thought. I've removed it.

The fact that "ADULT CARTOONS" was in all caps made me wonder if it was complaining.

YMMV.Jingle All The Way: Alternative Character Interpretation is misuse, and the mention of "Jake Lloyd's awful acting" seems too harsh.

Edited by rjd1922 on Nov 26th 2019 at 3:02:45 AM