Removing Gushing from the Wiki

Aren't the rules a bit different for Sugar Wiki? I'm not sure how exactly they interact with the purpose of this thread, but I think gushing is to be a bit more expected there.

Yeah, you are misunderstanding the point of the thread. Getting rid of gushing where it doesnt belong.

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I see then.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Nov 1st 2023 at 2:02:31 AM

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We literally are not allowed to do that. That's the section for gushing and its modifying someone else's opinion. We are not allowed to remove it unless its CREEPY gushing as in porny or gushing for underage characters or making apology of awful people.

EDIT: Oops 'd. Glad you understand.

Edited by AegisP on Oct 31st 2023 at 11:04:32 AM

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Duly noted.

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Bringing up more "The [Insert Trope Here]" examples.

• Franchise.Devilman: The Genre Turning Point for Japanese media.

Given how vast and huge the Japanese media is, this is absurd even for Go Nagai and Devilman. I'd just cut it.

• Anime.Neon Genesis Evangelion: The Mecha Show Genre Deconstruction.

Mecha genre deconstruction existed since at least Mobile Suit Gundam, which predates this more than 15 years. I'd cut it.

• Franchise.Pokemon: The Mons Series.

Mons Series is a very wide genre and not everyone's favorite is Pokemon. Shin Megami Tensei came first, made tropes, and is still active, so I doubt it's the only Trope Codifier. It is the most successful franchise, and that's already explained well on the page. I'd cut it.

• VideoGame.Super Smash Bros: The Mascot and Platform Fighter. The Massive Multiplayer Crossover.

Platform Fighter seems reasonable. Mascot Fighter is doubtful. The King of Fighters was already out and pretty successful. Massive Multiplayer Crossover is highly doubtful when definition allows other media like comic books. Even within video games there're major successes like Super Robot Wars and Capcom VS. I'd rewrite it that it was a codifier for Platform Fighter and remove the rest of gushing.

• Webcomic.The Order Of The Stick: The Stick-Figure Comic.

I don't think this work has that much visibility. I'd associate stick figures with xkcd and I also don't think that one is that big. I'd cut it.

• TabletopGame.Dungeons And Dragons: The Tabletop RPG.

This gushing doesn't fit the tone of formal and matter-of-fact description in the page. Tabletop RPG link is repeated in the first sentence and there's a great paragraph about why and how it's such a influencial work. I'd cut this.

• WebVideo.Dragon Ball Z Abridged: The Abridged Series.

Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged Series came out first. It's what The Abridged Series is named for. It is not a Trope Codifier. I say cut.

I agree with most of that, though I think Smash Bros' page could say it's the most well-known Mascot Fighter.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

What about My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom!: The "Reborn as Villainess" Story.

Hi!

Perhaps it's just my lack of exposure, but that reads like an Overly Narrow Superlative.

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RebornAsVillainessStory

Here's the article. The article notes that My Next Life as a Villainess didn't come first but it codified a lot of the stuff we know today, except for Katarina being clueless to the whole negating doom flags thing.

Hi!

Here's one from Transformers: The Transforming Mecha.

Hi!

Technically, Transformers is the first Transforming Mecha according to Wikipedia when it was still known as Diaclone.

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All right, Transformers can stay, but what about My Next Life as a Villainess? While it wasn't the first "Reborn as Villainess" Story but it did codify a lot of things about the genre, though Katarina is oblivious to the fact that she negated her doom flags and how many people are in love with her.

Edited by FirstAidRules on Nov 9th 2023 at 10:04:13 AM

Hi!

To be honest, I'd rather get rid of "The Trope" from descriptions unconditionally. If a work is a Trope Codifier, it should say so in an example and have a proper paragraph about how it's success inspired similar works.

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I would go with "The populariser and Trope Codifier", it was the first to achieve any kind of mainstream success, insofar as a web novel aimed at otaku can be termed "mainstream".

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

Self Thump: Wrong thread.

Edited by AegisP on Nov 11th 2023 at 2:50:54 AM

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YMMV.Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory

• Ass Pull: Slugworth was added to the film during shooting so there could be a token villain. Furthermore, Mel Stuart and screenwriter David Seltzer had no idea what Slugworth's motivations were for the majority of production. The twist that he was actually working for Wonka all along was made up during the shoot. This manages to add a layer of mystery early in the film that the character would have otherwise lacked.

The last sentence seems like a Justifying Edit to me.

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Well that's not Ass Pull anyway, that's Writing by the Seat of Your Pants

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The page for Suikoden III has this line at the end:

Also, the manga adaptation is awesome incarnate, as this wiki itself will tell you.

I think this should just be replaced with an acknowledgment that there is a manga adaptation without any judgment on its quality.

Agreed.

135 - 169 - 273 - 191 - 188 - 230 - 300

Yes, no way this is allowed.

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Replying to the comment #1289, I'm also in support of getting rid of "The [Trope Thing]" unconditionally. Most of the examples I cleaned up are repeating things from description at best and simple gushing at worst, sometimes not even being Trope Codifier. There should be more effort put in description than "The [Thing]".

I ironically I agree, but there should be LESS effort as in, its such a lousy description, it should just be removed and never used, hence making less effort by removing and not allow "THE piece of media" anymore.

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I am also strongly in favour of removing "The [GENRE]", "The [THING]", or similar out of work descriptions.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Nov 18th 2023 at 6:58:25 AM

Kirby is awesome.

I say it's fine in at least a paragraph explaining its impact, but I don't mind the "THE [x]" at the top as long as the explanation comes later. It kind of clues in the reader, "Oh right, it's that thing."

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