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Ironic for a guy whose name is a misspelling of a word that means "cowardly".

That's probably the point then.

It would not be ironic in that sense.

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That said, Kraven can get himself over his head if he lets himself get too caught up in the thrill of the hunt.

<takes a look at all the movies and video games in which Predators regularly clash with or even hunt down Xenomorphs, who are definitely more than capable of one-hit killing a Predator if given the chance> Yeah, no, I call bullshit on that.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I can see Kraven giving a Predator a run for it's money but I question if he can outright beat one. These guys are basically have a way bigger success record than Kraven.

Predators don't have a good track record hunting superheroes, though. In that respect, Kraven likely surpasses them.

Predators don't have a good track record fighting anything that isn't a normal human who doesn't know what they are facing.

They tend to do terrible the moment the protagonist(s) knows what's going on. Or of the thing they are fighting isn't just a human.

They even tend to do terrible fighting Xenomorphs even when they go into a situation expecting to fight Xenomorphs.

In the first AVP movie, two-thirds of the Predators die going up against something they knew they'd be facing.

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To be fair, that was because they were newbie preds who were supposed to be having some sort of right of passage.

Also the humans kinda got in the way, snatching up the weapons they'd intended to use.

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<Takes a look at the number of Predators who usually get unceremoniously slaughtered by said xenomorphs whenever they clash, despite being, in theory prepared for them> Would you like to reconsider "calling bullshit"?

Michael Myers has a greater success rate than the Predators. Does that mean he gets to win a fight with one?

"Success rate" is a meaningless metric of comparison if the two characters don't fight the exact same kind of people under the exact same circumstances. Krillin has a far lower success rate than The Punisher, but the former still beats the latter in a fistfight.

We've seen Predators killed by deadfall traps. We've seen them fought to a Mutual Kill by a man with a samurai sword. We've seen them killed again and again by mundane means derived by ordinary humans. While on the flip side, we've seen Kraven take blows from Spider-Man, Kaine, even the Hulk, and keep coming. We've seen him overpower Daredevil and Black Panther, and successfully capture both Spider-Man and the Hulk.

The question you've got to ask yourself here is this—do you think a Predator can defeat Spider-Man? Do you think it even stands a chance against him? If the answer is "no" then you don't have a lot of basis on which to proclaim it defeats Kraven.

How many of those Predators were experienced veterans rather than "Unblooded" or "Young Bloods" who are being given a trial by fire in order to qualify as "Blooded" (read: kill their first Xenomorph)? Because if we're going to pit a Predator in DB, it should be one of the Elites, whose job description clearly includes "killed several dangerous species, such as Xenomorphs, River Ghosts and Humans."

Besides, in the video games the average Predator is quite competent and very tough to fight. And I'm not talking about the playable Predator characters, I'm talking about the ones that are enemies for a Xenomorph or Marine player. Usually they serve as boss fights that can easily slaughter you in a few seconds.

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Edited by MarqFJA on Jul 16th 2018 at 7:28:48 PM

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So you've essentially refuted your own point here. The Elite Predators gain their status by killing "dangerous species" like humans. Kraven, you may have noticed, is well beyond human. Man can lift several tonnes, stop a charging rhinoceros with a punch, and take blows from Spider-Man and the Hulk.

Please explain to me where the Predators have feats to match that? And no, killing a xenomorph doesn't cut it, because xenomorphs themselves don't have feats to match those of most comic book characters. "Experienced veteran" means bugger all in this context, because no Predator that we know of has ever encountered anything like one of Spider-Man's enemies.

Again, this is meaningless. The ability to kill a man with a gun or a xenomorph does not somehow translate to an ability to kill a goddamn supervillain. You're not making an actual argument for the Predator's supremacy here—quite the opposite, in fact. Earlier on you tried to make the case that the Predators have experience battling things that outgun them because they fight xenomorphs. Now you're stating they can slaughter one in "seconds". Are xenomorphs more powerful than Predators or less powerful?

You don't need to answer that question by the way, because the answer is "less powerful". Xenomorphs don't have access to any of the advanced technology the Predators have, and intellectually are rarely shown to be much more than animals (enough so that exceptions are noted). Despite this, they regularly kill Predators in sizable numbers, and are regarded as dangerous enough that a Predator can rise high in their society by killing them.

So I ask again—where does a Predator have feats that demonstrate it can take out Kraven? Here's a link to some of his feats for comparison.

Edited by AmbarSonofDeshar on Jul 16th 2018 at 9:47:58 AM

Funny that I found such a list at the very site you just linked to.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

No, you didn't. I just went through that list, and nothing on it pushes the Predator into Spider-Man villain territory.

I didn't ask for "a Predator feat list" I asked for a list of feats that "demonstrate it can take on Kraven." When you've got an actual list of supervillain equivalent feats, get back to me.

Edited by AmbarSonofDeshar on Jul 16th 2018 at 10:14:15 AM

Latest Death Battle Cast is out.

Not a lot of note in this one; it's mostly spent discussing crack and Broly, which is appropriate as one was presumably created while using the other.

For the community Death Battle, Team Rocket v. Pilaf Gang: Team Rocket stomps the Pilaf Gang at the polls and hard, pulling in 88% of the vote. This largely gels with the team's deliberation. Ben and Chad (Wiz and Boomstick, respectively) agreed that Team Rocket wins on the grounds of the Pilaf Gang being exactly the kind of morons that would be duped by the Rockets' ability to pull terrible deceptions out of their arse at a moment's notice.

Ben and Chad agreed that the hypothetical battle plays out that Team Rocket escapes around a corner. The Pilaf Gang pursues them and finds a conspicuous vendor stand selling sweets, run by Team Rocket in fake moustaches or some shit. The Pilaf Gang falls for this completely and the Rockets convince them to try some pastries that are packed with bombs or some shit. The end.

Sam dissents and votes Pilaf Gang, on the grounds that anyone from the Dragon Ball universe is going to be incredibly powerful and just walk all over other universes.

Torrian votes Jesse. Just Jesse. Everyone else dies. His logic is that Jesse is hot and deserves to win.

Next week's Community Death Battle: Broly (Dragon Ball) v. Asura (Asura's Wrath).

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 16th 2018 at 11:16:01 AM

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Re: TR and PG In fairness, the Pilaf Gang have legit mechs (though I think Team Rocket did so as well at one point) and Mai is actually a pretty decent shot going by her appearance in the Goku Black Arc

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On the one hand, Team Rocket have been known for their bouts of competence (the bulk of the Best Wishes season, and some other odd spattering here and there).

On the other hand, the Pilaf gang damn near won in their first encounter, despite the fact that Goku on his own (let alone with Yamcha) should have easily stomped them. It took the dumb luck of Oolong being in the right place at the right time, and going against his better nature to prevent Pilaf from being god emperor of mankind.

Both teams have had occasions where they could probably win if things were different (Team Rocket if they weren't so solely focused on Ash, and the Pilaf gang if they didn't keep running into Goku), but their luck is so abysmal that everything conspires to make them fail anyway.

...I say it ends in a draw. Before either group can pull off the victory, whatever weapons they are fighting with promptly explode and both are wiped out. Because a victory for either wouldn't be as funny.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 16th 2018 at 12:05:14 PM

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Part of the problem is that even if the Predator has firepower and strength to harm Kraven, the tricky part is speed. Kraven regularly dodges bullets like they're nothing and fights people who are superhumanly fast on equal footing. The Predator simply does not have anything in his arsenal that can match that level of speed, to my knowledge.

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I find the Continuity Snarl within Fox's series to be confusing. Ridley Scott hates the Alien Versus Predator crossover and deliberately went out of his way to decanonize it with Prometheus and Alien: Covenant; yet Alien Versus Predator is canon to the Predator series — with a Xenomorph skull appearing in the Predator ship in Predator 2, Berserker having what looks to be a Xenomorph jaw fixed to his mask in Predators, and the AVP duology stated to be canon to The Predator.

If Fox would just state The Multiverse was in effect, things would start making more sense, but as it is...

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The Predator's razor-wire net-gun, dartgun, and Plasma Caster are all pretty much one-hit-kill ranged weapons, and its Razor Disks have homing capabilities. If the Predator stays cloaked and sticks to ranged combat, Kraven would have a much more difficult time. Venom managed to sneak up on and ambush him by turning invisible, though Kraven knew what he was up against and turned the tables with Shriek's help.

If Kraven manages to sucker the Predator into melee combat or survives long enough to figure out its tricks and set up traps, then he'd probably be able to take it.

Edited by Arawn999 on Jul 16th 2018 at 3:55:09 AM

If having enough Super-Strength to rip out a man's spine◊ and tear through a steel door◊ with your bare hands, ragdolling a Xenomorph and gruesomely ripping off its inner jaws◊ (they're notorious for their own superhuman strength and durability; you need no less than explosive-tipped AP rounds to deal any actual damage to their exoskeleton), throw a fully grown buffalo over your shoulder with ease◊, lift up a giant gate in just a few seconds, and kick over a military truck doesn't count as "on par with the average Spider-Man supervillain", then I don't know what will.

If having enough Super-Speed and/or Super-Reflexes to dodge a close-range◊ barrage of rockets◊ and then jump on and destroy the Apache that launched them without being noticed◊, and evade a machine gun◊ firing at full auto◊ (best record is 30 bullets in a row◊) doesn't count as "on par with the average Spider-Man supervillain", then I don't know what will.

If having the Super-Toughness to survive exploding arrows◊, multiple shotgun rounds to the torso, and a point-blank shotgun◊ blast to the face◊ doesn't count as "on par with the average Spider-Man supervillain", then I don't know what will.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

It would be sort of funny if Kraven were to beat a Predator due of the honor code, another Predator would come and show what would happen if one was more pragmatic.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Like one of the Super-Predators from Predators or The Predator?

I have to echo Marq here. A composite Predator has more than enough feats to put him on your average Spidey-level villain. Hell, there are even crossovers where they've taken on the likes of Batman, Judge Dredd, and Superman, that along with the crazy mumbo-jumbo the Capcom version does, it's more than a match for Kraven.

Edited by Rynnec on Jul 17th 2018 at 7:28:58 AM

You know who else has dealt with a Predator? Archie◊. Well, not actually Archie. He died, but the Predator couldn't kill Betty and Veronica because it fell in love with them.

My only point is that the Predator has crossed over with everything. To the point of absurdity.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 17th 2018 at 9:47:01 AM